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50 runs partnership and Lord Thakur is back with another important 50 in just 31 balls with 6 fours and 3 sixes
Didn't expect Kohli to bring in Thakur, but it was clearly a great decision since he performed better than literally every other Indian batsman which is embarassing. Kohli was the only other decent performer.

If India can get Root out early, they still have a great chance at winning this match in my opinion. All eyes are on the Indian bowlers(Especially Yadav and Thakur).
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This England tour is going to end at least 1 career in batting department. Batters needed to see off tough time at the start but they can't catch a break after their last lost. Now sun is up and pitch looking good to bat. Lord Thakur doing his thingy again and adding valuable runs for the team, hope he bats for at least 10 more overs. If it happens then extra 50-60 runs could come handy.

I don't want to see another inning defeat  Grin Grin

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50 runs partnership and Lord Thakur is back with another important 50 in just 31 balls with 6 fours and 3 sixes
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In the fourth Test between England and India, England decided to bowl after winning the toss. The match is being held at The Oval. And at the moment India has lost 3 wickets and collected only 54 runs. Like the previous Test match, this match will be a terrible batting disaster for them unless Virat Kohli fails to play a big inning today. Kohli has been out of form for a long time, today he must return to form.

India scored 127 runs in 52 overs. And they lost 6 wickets. Virat Kohli was out for 50 runs. He played quite well compared to other players. My guess is that India will lose all their wickets before 180 runs. Rishab Pant and Shardul Thakur are now at the crease.

Rishab Pant just got out and went back to the dressing room. His wicket was taken by Chris Woakes. The bowling of Woakes and Robinson fascinated me. Ollie Robinson has bowled 16 overs, including 9 maiden overs, he has taken 2 wickets. Woakes took 6 maiden overs in 11 overs, and took 3 wickets.
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In the fourth Test between England and India, England decided to bowl after winning the toss. The match is being held at The Oval. And at the moment India has lost 3 wickets and collected only 54 runs. Like the previous Test match, this match will be a terrible batting disaster for them unless Virat Kohli fails to play a big inning today. Kohli has been out of form for a long time, today he must return to form.

India scored 127 runs in 52 overs. And they lost 6 wickets. Virat Kohli was out for 50 runs. He played quite well compared to other players. My guess is that India will lose all their wickets before 180 runs. Rishab Pant and Shardul Thakur are now at the crease.
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In the fourth Test between England and India, England decided to bowl after winning the toss. The match is being held at The Oval. And at the moment India has lost 3 wickets and collected only 54 runs. Like the previous Test match, this match will be a terrible batting disaster for them unless Virat Kohli fails to play a big inning today. Kohli has been out of form for a long time, today he must return to form.
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No Ashwin again!! Lord Thakur - Umesh Yadav duo are in and Ishant-Shami rested due to niggle ha! On the other hand 40 yo Jimmy running around like a 20 yo.

Hope this doesn't bite back India on day 2-3 and really hoping that this 4 seam + 1 spin combination works this time.

Atm conditions are excellent for bowling so our openers need to be very careful again.

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Wicket and 6 back to back maiden overs..

First 7 overs 28 runs
Last 7 overs 0 runs - 2wickets-

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OK.. two hours to go for the start of the 4th match, fingers crossed. The last thing I want at this point is a rain interruption. And fortunately, the weather prediction looks good with less than 10% chance of precipitation. Just a few hours ago, Bharat Arun came up with a controversial statement that the selectors erred by not picking Ashwin. I guess his time as the bowling coach is up, and now he feels more liberated to make such comments. But the fact is that Ashiwn, at this moment is the no.2 ranked test bowler as per the ICC. 
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Indians had their fun in the first 2 test match where they dominated the England most of the time, call it bad luck that 1st test went into draw. Series is 1-1 but now momentum is with the English team, they made a excellent comeback in this series. Having said that i won't rule out Indian team yet, they are good side and got every ingredient to become one of the best touring team. Hope Koach doesn't $uck up with the selection.

Funfact : India has a tremendous record in the Oval --Losing record-- lol
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@Sithar007 Jadeja doesn’t gets lots of credit for the work he’s done, but finally people are realising how important he’s to the team. Also I feel that he has a unique way of playing the game, which puts the pressure back on the opposition bowler hence if he’s fit then he should definitely be included in the playing 11.

Agreed. Sir Jadeja is one of the most underrated players in the team. He is a genuine match winner for the Indian team, and on numerous occasions he has guided the Indian team to victory from the claws of defeat. Most of the occasions, he is left high and dry, as he bats at no.7. Even if he is on form, there is a good chance that he will run out of partners at the end. If you check his batting average, then it may not be as astounding as the same from top-order batsmen. But the reason for that is he gets hardly anytime to settle in, due to his position lower down the order.
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The match starts today, there is a high chance of Ashwin being part of this team and Jadeja as well as Ishant will sit throughout the match. The weather and the pitch will also play an important part. I do not want the rain to ruin this match. The team winning the toss and batting first will have a higher chance of wining due to the rain forecast in London.

If Jadeja is fit, then he needs to play. He is the best allrounder with the team right now. He is a batsmen who could bowl, while others like Ashwin are bowlers who could bat a bit. Jadeja has rescued the team on many crucial situations before and has been involved in many important partnerships. His absence will weaken the Indian middle-order and lower order considerably. And Jadeja has performed relatively well in both the departments so far (on top of that, he is also one of the best Indian fielders).

@Sithar007 Jadeja doesn’t gets lots of credit for the work he’s done, but finally people are realising how important he’s to the team. Also I feel that he has a unique way of playing the game, which puts the pressure back on the opposition bowler hence if he’s fit then he should definitely be included in the playing 11.
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The match starts today, there is a high chance of Ashwin being part of this team and Jadeja as well as Ishant will sit throughout the match. The weather and the pitch will also play an important part. I do not want the rain to ruin this match. The team winning the toss and batting first will have a higher chance of wining due to the rain forecast in London.

If Jadeja is fit, then he needs to play. He is the best allrounder with the team right now. He is a batsmen who could bowl, while others like Ashwin are bowlers who could bat a bit. Jadeja has rescued the team on many crucial situations before and has been involved in many important partnerships. His absence will weaken the Indian middle-order and lower order considerably. And Jadeja has performed relatively well in both the departments so far (on top of that, he is also one of the best Indian fielders).
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What if for the next match India give rest to their 2 seamers (Ishant + 1 more) and include Ashwin and Thakur saab?
No changes in the batting order and inclusion of Ashwin and Thakur might able to do some damage control because our middle order is not in great form and Pant is looking dim too.
Jaddu, Ashwin, Thakur batting at number 7,8,9 looks okay.
England paid the price in the second Test match when they let go of the tactics and Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Shami took advantage of that situation and changed the match around and i doubt they will do the same mistakes again. If the top order fails there is nothing the tail end can do. We might see some performance here and there and the bowlers are performing well and the batsman has to put runs on the board.

I would like to see Ajinkya Rahane getting rested and India giving some new talents the opportunity to make their debut but the talks going on is that Hanuma Vihari will get a chance and Ashwin will be playing the next game instead of Jadeja. It would be great if they give Suryakumar Yadav to make his debut and i am expecting him to be an asset in the team by the way he performs in other formats on a consistent basis.

The match starts today, there is a high chance of Ashwin being part of this team and Jadeja as well as Ishant will sit throughout the match. The weather and the pitch will also play an important part. I do not want the rain to ruin this match. The team winning the toss and batting first will have a higher chance of wining due to the rain forecast in London.
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What if for the next match India give rest to their 2 seamers (Ishant + 1 more) and include Ashwin and Thakur saab?
No changes in the batting order and inclusion of Ashwin and Thakur might able to do some damage control because our middle order is not in great form and Pant is looking dim too.
Jaddu, Ashwin, Thakur batting at number 7,8,9 looks okay.
England paid the price in the second Test match when they let go of the tactics and Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Shami took advantage of that situation and changed the match around and i doubt they will do the same mistakes again. If the top order fails there is nothing the tail end can do. We might see some performance here and there and the bowlers are performing well and the batsman has to put runs on the board.

I would like to see Ajinkya Rahane getting rested and India giving some new talents the opportunity to make their debut but the talks going on is that Hanuma Vihari will get a chance and Ashwin will be playing the next game instead of Jadeja. It would be great if they give Suryakumar Yadav to make his debut and i am expecting him to be an asset in the team by the way he performs in other formats on a consistent basis.
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I don't have any problem with Vihari but i doubt if Virat is ready to leave his deputy atm and if we look at the last 2 years numbers Rahane looked better batman when comparing to Kohli.
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Both Rahane and Kohli have been out of form for sometime. The difference is that Kohli can't be dropped even if he scores 0 runs in the next 5 matches, while Rahane may get dropped after this series if his form doesn't improve. But one thing we need to remember is that Rahane and Pujara are the two test-specific batsmen in the Indian squad currently. Everyone else is better in the shorter format compared to test.

Rahane averages 38.85 for 2020, and 21.05 so far in 2021. But he had a test average of 71.33 in 2019 (642 runs from 8 matches). Compared to him, Kohli's record is worse. Average of 19.33 in 2020, and 27.15 in 2021. But in 2019, he had scored @ 68.00 (612 runs from 8 matches).
I don't think even Rahane can be removed from the team, we really don't have many options in place of Rahane with us, the only appropriate backup is Hanuma Vihari which too has not been in great form when last tried, they won't bring Mayank Aggarwal, so obviously there aren't a lot of options available, I think India will pick up the other method by creating batting depth using all-rounders, I think one pacer will be dropped in the next match and an all-rounder like Sharadul could come in, on the batting side, even Ravindra Jadeja might be dropped and Ashwin could come into the team.
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Formalities i suppose?

I believe i saw on my twitter feed that Sir Jadeja is 100% fit. I would be very surprise if SKY making his debut in English condition because you never throw your newborn in front of the hungry wolves, Vihari may be... chances are slim tho.

Yeah.. chances of Rahane getting dropped is low. His position is shaky, but the selectors may include him for the remainder of the series. But if he fails to perform, then he may be kicked out (after the series) and in all probability will never be able to make a comeback. It is tragic.. as he was one of the best performers in 2019. Scored two centuries - one each against West Indies and South Africa. He is not that old, but Rahane has been out of form for too long, and I believe that his time with the Indian national team is up.
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Strange news coming in. Prasidh Krishna has been added to the extended squad for the 4th test. Doesn't make any sense, right? All the Indian pacers are in such great form, and I can't foresee Prasidh getting a spot unless one of them getting injured. However there are rumors that Ravindra Jadeja's knee injury is a concern and he is not 100% fit. In that case Ashwin may replace Jadeja. But I don't see any change to the pace lineup. I don't know about the batsmen, but I would like SKY to replace Ajinkya Rahane.
Formalities i suppose?

I believe i saw on my twitter feed that Sir Jadeja is 100% fit. I would be very surprise if SKY making his debut in English condition because you never throw your newborn in front of the hungry wolves, Vihari may be... chances are slim tho.

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Strange news coming in. Prasidh Krishna has been added to the extended squad for the 4th test. Doesn't make any sense, right? All the Indian pacers are in such great form, and I can't foresee Prasidh getting a spot unless one of them getting injured. However there are rumors that Ravindra Jadeja's knee injury is a concern and he is not 100% fit. In that case Ashwin may replace Jadeja. But I don't see any change to the pace lineup. I don't know about the batsmen, but I would like SKY to replace Ajinkya Rahane.
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Batsman determines the match, any team who is able to build partnership will end up winning the match as both team has world class bowlers and England is relying too much on Root and if he does not perform it will be a big headache for them as well.
Both batsmen and bowlers matter equally though India is over-dependent on its bowlers and England is over-dependent on Root currently as you mentioned which are their clear weaknesses at present.

I'm expecting 2 changes. Ashwin seems strong candidate but not sure about other replacement, let's see if Kohli make changes in batting or bowling.
This link provides a detailed analysis of the current Indian lineup.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-predicted-xi-for-fourth-test-against-england-kohli-likely-to-make-two-changes-will-ashwin-get-a-game-101630473700062-amp.html

Based on this link, I guess you are right about Kohli bringing in Ashwin and some other player(Probably Vihari).
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What if for the next match India give rest to their 2 seamers (Ishant + 1 more) and include Ashwin and Thakur saab?

No changes in the batting order and inclusion of Ashwin and Thakur might able to do some damage control because our middle order is not in great form and Pant is looking dim too.

Jaddu, Ashwin, Thakur batting at number 7,8,9 looks okay.
I don't think India will make any major changes to their lineup unless someone is injured or ill. However, if they do decide to make the changes, I vote for Ashwin(Not Thakur) obviously because of his experience and skills.

Siraj, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and Bumrah could decimate the English side while Robinson, Anderson, Ali, Overton and Curran could decimate the Indian side in my opinion.
So far both team looked strong and vulnerable at the same. Bowling department is dominating batters so far and this is true for the both sides.

I'm expecting 2 changes. Ashwin seems strong candidate but not sure about other replacement, let's see if Kohli make changes in batting or bowling.
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Ashwin will be the best option available because of his experience. Another important aspect about Ashwin is that he can bat down the order. You cannot depend on Ishant for batting down the line. I still think India will not go for any changes in the next match but depending on the wicket they might.

The question is whether we should change the bowling lineup just because one of the bowler has the capability to add 10-15 extra runs. What if he concedes 60 or 70 additional runs while bowling? IMO, India should go with the best available pace combination - Ishant, Shami and Bumrah. If Ashwin needs to be included, then Siraj needs to sit out. And at this point, I don't know whether dropping Siraj would be a good idea, because he performed well during the last couple of matches. IMO, it is the batting lineup that needs change and not the bowling.
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