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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 29, 2021, 11:12:03 AM

Ashwin surely gonna play the next match and very likely he will replace Ishant sharma because all the other seemers have performed very well in the second test match and i dont think rahane would be dropped for vihari . May be one more match they will see and then make the decision.

I would prefer dropping Mohammed Siraj in order to include Ravichandran Ashwin, because I believe that being the most experienced pacer, Ishant needs to play the third test match. He was disappointing during the second test, but would consider that as a one-off occurrence. He is currently the only Indian pacer to have a tally of more than 300 test wickets. But it will be really hard, as Kohli prefers Siraj. Also there is a perception that Ishant is the weakest tailend batsman in the Indian playing XI.

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Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again

If you score 78 runs in the first innings you cannot expect them to bat any differently and the innings defeat is not a huge surprise but if India somehow avoided the innings defeat that then it would have been a huge surprise Cheesy

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Quote from: teosanru on August 28, 2021, 12:32:21 PM

In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match.

Not sure adding Ashwin would have made any difference, the pitch was not helping the spinners but the best thing England did was to change their openers and Root owning the ground with his consistent performance and if he fails the entire England team will suffer. The India bowler did not get the correct line and length for this pitch.

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Yes obviously from a bowling perspective, choice of Ashwin doesn't makes a lot of sense but if you want to see some batting depth then obviously Thakur is one Good option, about line and length I feel Jimmy Anderson had the best line and length among all the bowlers. he was pitching the ball just outside the line of off stump and swinging it both ways from that point. No indian bowler could match this line and length.

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India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.

The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order.

Sometime things go against you and the team is unable to recover. Making only 78 in the first innings, it was always hard for any team to save the match and that's what happen with India. I think India will come back strongly in the next match and no one should expect that they will continue their bad form.

I have to agree with you one point that Jadeja should bat ahead of Pant because he's batting like specialist batter nowadays and averaging quite high since 2018-19. He could provide some solidity at no 6. Hard to see any changes on the middle order but if by any chance they do make changes then i think Vihari is going to replace Rahane in the next match and also Ashwin is going to replace one seamer.

Ashwin surely gonna play the next match and very likely he will replace Ishant sharma because all the other seemers have performed very well in the second test match and i dont think rahane would be dropped for vihari . May be one more match they will see and then make the decision.

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India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.

The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order.

Sometime things go against you and the team is unable to recover. Making only 78 in the first innings, it was always hard for any team to save the match and that's what happen with India. I think India will come back strongly in the next match and no one should expect that they will continue their bad form.

I have to agree with you one point that Jadeja should bat ahead of Pant because he's batting like specialist batter nowadays and averaging quite high since 2018-19. He could provide some solidity at no 6. Hard to see any changes on the middle order but if by any chance they do make changes then i think Vihari is going to replace Rahane in the next match and also Ashwin is going to replace one seamer.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 29, 2021, 05:22:36 AM

Yeah agree with you that i may be possible that no changes being made as pujara was on the firing line but he scored a 90 so now he cannot be dropped now.
Pant surely wont be dropped and rahane is vice captain so maximum possibility is that India will not make any changes in the batting order.

This is strange. One half-century is enough for Pujara to cement his slot in the playing XI? His batting average was 20.37 in 2020. And after the Leeds test, his batting average stands at 30.94. I consider Temba Bavuma as the worst test batsman who has a permanent place in the playing XI. And his average is much higher than this. And keeping someone in his mid-30s in the team despite the bad form is unfair to the younger players like Shreyas Iyer. And the selectors need to be consistent. Why Pujara is being given so many opportunities? I could still remember Karun Nair being dropped after a couple of poor performances (despite having a scored a triple century in that year). He was not given another chance and his test batting average remains at 62.33.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 29, 2021, 05:04:24 AM

India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.

The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order.

Sometime things go against you and the team is unable to recover. Making only 78 in the first innings, it was always hard for any team to save the match and that's what happen with India. I think India will come back strongly in the next match and no one should expect that they will continue their bad form.

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India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.

The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order.

Yeah agree with you that i may be possible that no changes being made as pujara was on the firing line but he scored a 90 so now he cannot be dropped now.
Pant surely wont be dropped and rahane is vice captain so maximum possibility is that India will not make any changes in the batting order.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on August 29, 2021, 05:04:24 AM

India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.

The complete batting order was a failure in the first innings. In the second innings except K L Rahul, Rishab Pant and Rahane most of them scored. Rahul won't be replaced and I think either Pant or Rahane might be dropped. It is a possibility that no changes are made to the batting order.

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India certainly need some changes in their batting order and inclusion of Ashwin in the playing 11 is also needed. I feel Jadeja must be sent to bat ahead of risabh pant. Most of the cases we see jadeja running out of partners his batting has improved a lot and i feel he can be given more responsibility with the bat now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2021, 09:55:58 PM

I wonder if they are going to make any changes in the middle order or not. I'm not sure about combination anymore as koach is going with 4 seam option in every game which i can understand in the seaming condition but not sure when forecast is good.

I don't think they will make any big changes at this point since that could cause more harm overall. I am not expecting much from the Indian batsmen, but I am expecting a lot from the Indian bowlers in the remaining matches.

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But this time the ground staff were more hostile towards him and kicked him out of the ground without any delay. Unfortunately we will miss the entertainment for the rest of the series, since in all probability he has been blacklisted and banned permanently.

Damn. This kind of stuff is common in Soccer and rare in Cricket which is why I will truly miss his antics if did actually get permanently banned. He earned many fans around the world who could help him get unbanned.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 28, 2021, 12:43:18 PM

India losing by an innings didn't surprise me at all since their batting has been unpredictable in this match. Robinson absolutely demolished them. However, the most entertaining part of this match was this.

https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY

Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!

LOL.. sometimes I feel that if Jarvo (Daniel Jarvis) had replaced Rahane or Pant, then India would have been in a better position. The funniest part was the guy wearing a face-mask under his helmet. He is trying to spread his message against COVID 19. But this time the ground staff were more hostile towards him and kicked him out of the ground without any delay. Unfortunately we will miss the entertainment for the rest of the series, since in all probability he has been blacklisted and banned permanently.

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Quote from: teosanru on August 28, 2021, 12:32:21 PM

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Uff 3 quick wickets and middle order failed one more time.

No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.

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Pant is goner.

Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again, In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match.

I was not expecting much from the lower order tbh but after 3rd day of play i was optimistic about our middle order trio Pujara-Kohli-Rahane. Puji and koach looked determined but one misjudgement from the Pujara cost him a wicket and Kohli well he went back to his 2014 avatar.

I wonder if they are going to make any changes in the middle order or not. I'm not sure about combination anymore as koach is going with 4 seam option in every game which i can understand in the seaming condition but not sure when forecast is good.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 28, 2021, 12:43:18 PM

India losing by an innings didn't surprise me at all since their batting has been unpredictable in this match. Robinson absolutely demolished them. However, the most entertaining part of this match was this.

https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY

Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!

I still had that slightly feeling that they might be able to draw this match. Another humilating defeat has been added to Kohli's cap. The first innings was a disaster. Two more matches left, if India wants to win this tournament then they have to win both of them. I doubt that will be possible considering the form of Indian batsmen.

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Quote from: teosanru on August 28, 2021, 12:32:21 PM

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Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again

If you score 78 runs in the first innings you cannot expect them to bat any differently and the innings defeat is not a huge surprise but if India somehow avoided the innings defeat that then it would have been a huge surprise Cheesy

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Quote from: teosanru on August 28, 2021, 12:32:21 PM

In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match.

Not sure adding Ashwin would have made any difference, the pitch was not helping the spinners but the best thing England did was to change their openers and Root owning the ground with his consistent performance and if he fails the entire England team will suffer. The India bowler did not get the correct line and length for this pitch.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 28, 2021, 12:43:18 PM

India losing by an innings didn't surprise me at all since their batting has been unpredictable in this match. Robinson absolutely demolished them. However, the most entertaining part of this match was this.

India played well in the first two matches and fortunately rain help them draw the first match and India took the game away in the final session of the second match and it was a loss England wanted to bounce back like this and now the series looks interesting.

Quote from: Haunebu on August 28, 2021, 12:43:18 PM

Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!

Jarvo is creating a sensation and he is having a youtube channel i believe and i was confused at first but then i understood the fun and he will be the find of the series Cheesy

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India losing by an innings didn't surprise me at all since their batting has been unpredictable in this match. Robinson absolutely demolished them. However, the most entertaining part of this match was this.

https://youtu.be/wsIq3dBH6nY

Jarvo is seriously something else. He improved the entertainment quotient of this particular test series in my opinion. Crazy dude!

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2021, 06:05:53 AM

Uff 3 quick wickets and middle order failed one more time.

No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.

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Pant is goner.

Really sad to see such collapse of lower order once again, Yesterday after a strong performance from the top order I was hopeful that India would at least not lose with an innings but once Pujara got out there was a streak of wickets, even Rahane isn't able to find back his form, while Pant is becoming too inconsistent once again, In these types of matches you expect Ashwin and Thakur to be in playing 11 for a deeper batting, You can't obviously expect Shami and Bumrah to lead your front in every match.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 28, 2021, 08:45:13 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2021, 06:05:53 AM

Uff 3 quick wickets and middle order failed one more time.
No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.

Indian batting lineup collapsed again on day four. They batted well on day three. I thought India would be able to avoid the innings defeat by playing carefully on day four. But they lost their remaining 8 wickets in the first session of today. Robinson has done an excellent job with his bowling.

This is a very disturbing experience. That's ridiculous for India to lose eight wickets on the morning of day four. In the meantime, I'm waiting for the next test match to see if India can bounce back. But, It was a good batting and bowling performance by England. India were defeated by an innings and 76 runs by England. Congrats!

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2021, 06:05:53 AM

Uff 3 quick wickets and middle order failed one more time.

No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.

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Pant is goner.

This is really shocking defeat after very good win at Lord's specially lower order completely fail to give any impression Pant need to do some better kohli again without triple figure which is also hurting very badly. Now they have very short time for preparing for next game which is very crucial for this series if they want better result in this series then surely they have to do some good work on batting.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2021, 06:05:53 AM

Uff 3 quick wickets and middle order failed one more time.
No hope left for India now and it looks like inning defeat is just around the corner. We can't expect many runs from the lower order, the best they can do is try avoiding inning defeat which looks tough task.

Indian batting lineup collapsed again on day four. They batted well on day three. I thought India would be able to avoid the innings defeat by playing carefully on day four. But they lost their remaining 8 wickets in the first session of today. Robinson has done an excellent job with his bowling.

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