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Contrary to the expectations the D/N match offered no special assistance to the pacers. Perhaps England made a mistake by picking three pacers (Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad and James Anderson). They could have replaced one of their pacers with Dom Bess. Ben Stokes can also bowl some medium pace, so essentially there are four pacers in the playing XI now. But their bowlers are not going to make any difference in this match. First of all, their batsmen need to make a decent total, so that the bowlers have at least some target to keep in mind.
In the first Test i thought Dom Bess bowled well and picked wickets and i thought it was an unfair decision by not playing him after that match and playing with 4 fast bowlers in a dusty pitch looks funny  Cheesy. India included an extra spinner in Washington Sundar but he did not even get a chance to bowl a single delivery as Ashwin and Axar Patel bowled majority of the overs and picked all the wickets.
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England going with 3 pacer and India opted for 3 spinners  Huh What's happening here, I'm sure 1 captain got wrong idea about the pitch. Grin Grin
You could say that India playing with 3 bowling all rounders (Ashwin, Axar and Sundar).
I am not aware of the pitch and the discussion i saw here was all about the fast bowlers having an advantage in the pitch and the toss as an important factor but it was the first time a toss messed things and the England struggled against spin in the first day and i wonder what will be the situation in the final two days, disaster for England and India will win the match easily .
Its not a 5 day test for sure.  Grin Grin

The way things going on, would say max 4 day test and that too if India manage to survive day 2. And if by any chance English batsmen are too generous to the hosts then who knows if it finish with in 3 days.

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Yeah right!! drop the Kohli, nice way to go Ollie Pope...
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3 days? If England would have just around 2 experienced spinners in their squad this could have been the shortest test in the history of test matches. Now the way they are bowling now India can bat 2 sessions tomorrow quite easily considering Ashwin and Axar are there so we have a long batting line up. If this happens I don't see even the day 3 being completed because if India gets a lead of 200 odd runs in two sessions. Making 200 for England on this track on day 3 would be more like impossible. This could surely break the record of shrotest day night match.
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Contrary to the expectations the D/N match offered no special assistance to the pacers. Perhaps England made a mistake by picking three pacers (Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad and James Anderson). They could have replaced one of their pacers with Dom Bess. Ben Stokes can also bowl some medium pace, so essentially there are four pacers in the playing XI now. But their bowlers are not going to make any difference in this match. First of all, their batsmen need to make a decent total, so that the bowlers have at least some target to keep in mind.
ENG's only spinner managed to get two wickets in the 20 overs he bowled, team India knows the actual pitch condition that is why they choose to play with three spinners who also can play long innings with their bat, advantage of being a home team can be felt. But as this was hyped spectators didn't get much chance to see the runs but as long as their team in in the commanding position they won't get hurt.

I understand why England went with just one spinner, although I would have linked Dom Bess in the playing XI. During the first test, it was James Anderson who handed over win to England. And in the second test, they lost because Anderson was not playing and the spinners gave away too many runs. Perhaps the team management could have went with 5 bowlers, including Bess.
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Contrary to the expectations the D/N match offered no special assistance to the pacers. Perhaps England made a mistake by picking three pacers (Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad and James Anderson). They could have replaced one of their pacers with Dom Bess. Ben Stokes can also bowl some medium pace, so essentially there are four pacers in the playing XI now. But their bowlers are not going to make any difference in this match. First of all, their batsmen need to make a decent total, so that the bowlers have at least some target to keep in mind.
ENG's only spinner managed to get two wickets in the 20 overs he bowled, team India knows the actual pitch condition that is why they choose to play with three spinners who also can play long innings with their bat, advantage of being a home team can be felt. But as this was hyped spectators didn't get much chance to see the runs but as long as their team in in the commanding position they won't get hurt.
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Contrary to the expectations the D/N match offered no special assistance to the pacers. Perhaps England made a mistake by picking three pacers (Jofra Archer, Stuart Broad and James Anderson). They could have replaced one of their pacers with Dom Bess. Ben Stokes can also bowl some medium pace, so essentially there are four pacers in the playing XI now. But their bowlers are not going to make any difference in this match. First of all, their batsmen need to make a decent total, so that the bowlers have at least some target to keep in mind.
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England going with 3 pacer and India opted for 3 spinners  Huh What's happening here, I'm sure 1 captain got wrong idea about the pitch. Grin Grin
You could say that India playing with 3 bowling all rounders (Ashwin, Axar and Sundar).
I am not aware of the pitch and the discussion i saw here was all about the fast bowlers having an advantage in the pitch and the toss as an important factor but it was the first time a toss messed things and the England struggled against spin in the first day and i wonder what will be the situation in the final two days, disaster for England and India will win the match easily .
Its not a 5 day test for sure.  Grin Grin

The way things going on, would say max 4 day test and that too if India manage to survive day 2. And if by any chance English batsmen are too generous to the hosts then who knows if it finish with in 3 days.

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Yeah right!! drop the Kohli, nice way to go Ollie Pope...
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No damage done for England.
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Just checked the score and am shocked to see England bowled out for just 112. India already scored 72/2 and will probably end up giving them a huge lead at this point since Rohit and Kohli established a stable partnership.

Axar and Ashwin combo continues to rule. Crawley literally scored half of their entire 1st innings score. Embarassing performance overall. The Indians are in control now currently.
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England going with 3 pacer and India opted for 3 spinners  Huh What's happening here, I'm sure 1 captain got wrong idea about the pitch. Grin Grin
You could say that India playing with 3 bowling all rounders (Ashwin, Axar and Sundar).
I am not aware of the pitch and the discussion i saw here was all about the fast bowlers having an advantage in the pitch and the toss as an important factor but it was the first time a toss messed things and the England struggled against spin in the first day and i wonder what will be the situation in the final two days, disaster for England and India will win the match easily .
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Unpredictable first day with the Pink ball. Generally team batting first has a better chance in day in last 2 matches, but here seems to be different equation. Brilliant speel by Axar and picking 6 wickets just never allowed England to settle down. India need to have a cautious start and not to lose many wickets on day 1 which is what exactly they are doing it. Let see if they can have a good first innings run lead to put more pressure on England or will England make a comeback from here.
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Perhaps you are right @JSRAW. England batsmen can't play spin (not even the Axar Patel variety). During the first test, they looked comfortable against Washington Sundar and Shahbaz Nadeem. But they are struggling against Ashwin and Axar. And now I have to agree with the management decision, to not to include Umesh Yadav in the playing XI. Pacers don't have much of a role in this test match. First day of the match, and 90% of the wickets have been taken by the spinners.

In all probability, James Anderson will be bowling under the floodlights, which may give him some advantage. The other England bowlers are not in good form and therefore I don't expect much from them (both the pacers, as well as the spinners). The toss was supposed to be crucial. But England is sliding towards a humiliating defeat despite winning the toss.
True, would add Archer and Broad too. Board already looking good.


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Good start but its a test match and i stopped taking anything for granted in this format despite current poor show from the English batsmen. Will wait till India finish their first inning.

But one thing is for sure, English batsmen can't play spin at all. 
I think England has more or less given up against the Indian spinners. Moreover I don't know whether it's the pitch or it's the Indian bowling attack or the Indian batting attack but since quite long I haven't seen a team struggling like this against spin. This is even worse than previous match. If it's the pitch I think there shouldn't be this amount of help for the bowlers that the batsmen can't even judge the ball.
English batsmen opted to play back foot shots and got out on straight balls. It seems that last test pitch still playing tricks on their mind.
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England need quick wickets, not just 1 or 2 but at least 10 early wickets for comeback.  Grin Grin
Exactly. I think they planned on waiting the ball to spin properly before selecting a shot on each ball. While Axar's Ball was coming up on the batsmen immediately after bouncing. I think instead they should have tried to reach the pitch of the ball. Surprised to see such a naive approach from them. on the other side Indian openers are batting in a very intelligent way. Nice to see them batting in such a way.
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Surprised by the slow start from Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill. These two are batsmen who have a good strike rate even in the 5-day format. I guess it may take some time for them to adjust playing against the pink ball. Also, two of England's best bowlers are bowling right now (James Anderson and Stuart Broad). Perhaps once the spinners come to bowl, we will see these two scoring at a quicker pace.
England's players have failed miserably, 3 batsmen have been dismissed for 0 and 7 batsmen have failed to score above 10 runs. I have rarely seen such poor performances by England players. But I don't think India will play very well. Soon we will see their batting disaster too.
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Surprised by the slow start from Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill. These two are batsmen who have a good strike rate even in the 5-day format. I guess it may take some time for them to adjust playing against the pink ball. Also, two of England's best bowlers are bowling right now (James Anderson and Stuart Broad). Perhaps once the spinners come to bowl, we will see these two scoring at a quicker pace.
It's good to take a cautious approach especially when the opponents just collapsed for 112 runs. I'm sure the instructions would have been to see the Day 1 out and start fresh tomorrow with a new approach. 9 wickets to spinners on Day 1 of a test. Is that some kind of a record? It just might be. Imagine if they are making havoc on Day 1 with spin. How day 5 will be haha. I guess Eng made a critical error by not including more spinners into the lineup.
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Surprised by the slow start from Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill. These two are batsmen who have a good strike rate even in the 5-day format. I guess it may take some time for them to adjust playing against the pink ball. Also, two of England's best bowlers are bowling right now (James Anderson and Stuart Broad). Perhaps once the spinners come to bowl, we will see these two scoring at a quicker pace.
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Perhaps you are right @JSRAW. England batsmen can't play spin (not even the Axar Patel variety). During the first test, they looked comfortable against Washington Sundar and Shahbaz Nadeem. But they are struggling against Ashwin and Axar. And now I have to agree with the management decision, to not to include Umesh Yadav in the playing XI. Pacers don't have much of a role in this test match. First day of the match, and 90% of the wickets have been taken by the spinners.

In all probability, James Anderson will be bowling under the floodlights, which may give him some advantage. The other England bowlers are not in good form and therefore I don't expect much from them (both the pacers, as well as the spinners). The toss was supposed to be crucial. But England is sliding towards a humiliating defeat despite winning the toss.
True, would add Archer and Broad too. Board already looking good.


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Good start but its a test match and i stopped taking anything for granted in this format despite current poor show from the English batsmen. Will wait till India finish their first inning.

But one thing is for sure, English batsmen can't play spin at all. 
I think England has more or less given up against the Indian spinners. Moreover I don't know whether it's the pitch or it's the Indian bowling attack or the Indian batting attack but since quite long I haven't seen a team struggling like this against spin. This is even worse than previous match. If it's the pitch I think there shouldn't be this amount of help for the bowlers that the batsmen can't even judge the ball.
English batsmen opted to play back foot shots and got out on straight balls. It seems that last test pitch still playing tricks on their mind.
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England need quick wickets, not just 1 or 2 but at least 10 early wickets for comeback.  Grin Grin
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It's all over. England blasted out for a total of 112 in less than two sessions of play. Axar Patel picked 6 wickets, while Ashwin got 3. The so called "world champions (after obviously stealing the CWC 2019 trophy from New Zealand)" can't play against a bowler like Axar Patel. Another humiliation for England. These are their totals in the last 3 innings - 134, 164, 112. Making a total above 200 in India seems to be very difficult for them.
Didn't expect such start from ENG after winning the toss and ended up in complete collapse, now Indian openers too struggling to take their initial runs and there was an initial drop chance at slips which saved the wicket of Subham Gill.Rohit Sharma need to kick this innings which just happen few seconds ago, hope the rain of boundaries will continue from him.
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It's all over. England blasted out for a total of 112 in less than two sessions of play. Axar Patel picked 6 wickets, while Ashwin got 3. The so called "world champions (after obviously stealing the CWC 2019 trophy from New Zealand)" can't play against a bowler like Axar Patel. Another humiliation for England. These are their totals in the last 3 innings - 134, 164, 112. Making a total above 200 in India seems to be very difficult for them.
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Pitch is not bad to bat on tho. Zak Crawley hitting the boundaries at will.

tough competition in the team, spin bowling all rounder coming up through the ranks quickly . One of the reason Kuldeep has been sidelined even in limited overs.


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Right now 93/7 look like we are going to have another one sided affair here no resistance from English batsmen they are falling like crap against spin of Axar and Ashwin. Most chances we are going to have this match India won by one inning.
Good start but its a test match and i stopped taking anything for granted in this format despite current poor show from the English batsmen. Will wait till India finish their first inning.

But one thing is for sure, English batsmen can't play spin at all. 
I think England has more or less given up against the Indian spinners. Moreover I don't know whether it's the pitch or it's the Indian bowling attack or the Indian batting attack but since quite long I haven't seen a team struggling like this against spin. This is even worse than previous match. If it's the pitch I think there shouldn't be this amount of help for the bowlers that the batsmen can't even judge the ball.
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Perhaps you are right @JSRAW. England batsmen can't play spin (not even the Axar Patel variety). During the first test, they looked comfortable against Washington Sundar and Shahbaz Nadeem. But they are struggling against Ashwin and Axar. And now I have to agree with the management decision, to not to include Umesh Yadav in the playing XI. Pacers don't have much of a role in this test match. First day of the match, and 90% of the wickets have been taken by the spinners.

In all probability, James Anderson will be bowling under the floodlights, which may give him some advantage. The other England bowlers are not in good form and therefore I don't expect much from them (both the pacers, as well as the spinners). The toss was supposed to be crucial. But England is sliding towards a humiliating defeat despite winning the toss.
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Pitch is not bad to bat on tho. Zak Crawley hitting the boundaries at will.

tough competition in the team, spin bowling all rounder coming up through the ranks quickly . One of the reason Kuldeep has been sidelined even in limited overs.


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Right now 93/7 look like we are going to have another one sided affair here no resistance from English batsmen they are falling like crap against spin of Axar and Ashwin. Most chances we are going to have this match India won by one inning.
Good start but its a test match and i stopped taking anything for granted in this format despite current poor show from the English batsmen. Will wait till India finish their first inning.

But one thing is for sure, English batsmen can't play spin at all. 
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LOL..  earlier the question was whether they will reach 200 or not. Now the question is whether England can get to a total of at least 100. They have lost 8 wickets and still they are in double digits. Ashwin/Axar has taken 7 wickets so far, conceding just 59 runs. And more than half of the total was made by just one batsman (Zak Crawley). Apart from him and Joe Root, none of the others could even get in to double digits.
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