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Quote from: JSRAW on February 20, 2021, 07:47:19 AM

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How would pacers play a big role in the day-night match? I don't think there would be a lot of wind help in this weather in Gujarat and neither there is going to be a lot of dew in Gujarat so spinners could very well play a decent role in the match. Am I missing something or is it the pink ball? How exactly do pacers help in a day-night match for any team?

In comparison to Red ball, Pink ball keep its shape and hardness intact for longer period of time. which is favorable to seam-swing (not so much for reverse tho) and fast bowlers enjoy bowling under the floodlight if pitch offering some help. Good bowlers can exploit condition very well and evening session (under floodlight) is testing for every batsmen.

But if wickets is flat road then queen save the bowlers. Here toss comes in the play, every team would like to bat first if its flat wicket.

@JSRAW has correctly summed it up as England bowlers too are excited to use the pink ball, and judging by their excitement I feel that team India is going to be in lots of trouble if they lose few early wickets. Also how many of you’ll think that Indian pacers will trouble the English batman with the pink ball, because I feel that English batman's will play well against Indian pacers.

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https://cricshots.com/mark-wood-reveals-english-pacers-are-looking-forward-to-pink-ball-test/

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Quote from: teosanru on February 22, 2021, 12:49:51 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 20, 2021, 07:47:19 AM

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How would pacers play a big role in the day-night match? I don't think there would be a lot of wind help in this weather in Gujarat and neither there is going to be a lot of dew in Gujarat so spinners could very well play a decent role in the match. Am I missing something or is it the pink ball? How exactly do pacers help in a day-night match for any team?

In comparison to Red ball, Pink ball keep its shape and hardness intact for longer period of time. which is favorable to seam-swing (not so much for reverse tho) and fast bowlers enjoy bowling under the floodlight if pitch offering some help. Good bowlers can exploit condition very well and evening session (under floodlight) is testing for every batsmen.

But if wickets is flat road then queen save the bowlers. Here toss comes in the play, every team would like to bat first if its flat wicket.

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Quote from: mersal on February 23, 2021, 12:54:10 AM

The next match is going to be the decider which I said already few days back and Eng probably have less chances than others while India can make it if the pitch curators helps them. Cheesy

Since the next match is going to be a day night test match and weather forecast says we can expect the dew then how the spin i going to be effective there?

We need 3 pacers for sure to take wickets or else Joe Root will play huge innings like what happened in the first test.

Joe Root is more comfortable with pace bowling rather than spin, right? For the second pitch, the curators used black cotton soil in the pitch and that gave turn from first day onwards for the bowlers. I assume they will try to do the same in the third test match as well. And once again, toss is going to play a very crucial role, just like it did during the first and second test matches. Whoever wins the toss will be having advantage on his side.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2021, 08:34:34 AM

This is new scenario for all 3 teams (Eng/Aus/Ind)

The next match is going to be the decider which I said already few days back and Eng probably have less chances than others while India can make it if the pitch curators helps them. Cheesy

Since the next match is going to be a day night test match and weather forecast says we can expect the dew then how the spin i going to be effective there?

We need 3 pacers for sure to take wickets or else Joe Root will play huge innings like what happened in the first test.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 22, 2021, 08:05:41 AM

I didn't meant to draw attention on team strength.

I was merely pointing out that the only D/N game played in India dominated by the fast bowlers. So there might be some chance that we'll see 3 seam +2 spin combination in the next game.

Even I would prefer 5 bowlers in the lineup, with 3 seamers and 2 spinners. Pacers can't bowl more than 15 overs in sub-continental conditions per day (even in D/N matches). However, spinners can easily bowl 30-35 overs each. So I don't think that 3 spinners are needed. Ashwin and Axar should be able to do the job for India. I would prefer Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah and Umesh Yadav as the pacers and Ashwin/Axar as the spinners.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 20, 2021, 07:47:19 AM

Quote from: Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl on February 20, 2021, 05:44:54 AM

The day/night test match will start on 24th between India and England. After their humiliating performance in the second test, this is the best opportunity for England to again take the lead. The pink ball may give slight advantage to their seamers. BTW, who will qualify for the World Test Championship final, in case the series ends in a 2-2 draw?

In case of 2-2, Australia would get direct entry to the Finals against the Kiwis. Tricky situation for team India, they need 1 win and 1 draw to qualify. England chances are slim, to qualify they need to win last 2 match which seems tough task to ask.

Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2021, 08:34:34 AM

This is new scenario for all 3 teams (Eng/Aus/Ind)

I think if we calculate chances of each team qualifying. India has a 30% chance. Australia has a 60% Chance while Englad has a meagre 10% chance to qualify for the finals. Toss will obviously be another crucial factor.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 21, 2021, 09:07:36 AM

^^^ Bangladesh is a weak team (especially when they are playing without Shakib al Hassan), so I don't want to make my predictions based on what happened at Eden Gardens. England is a much more experienced side, and many of the players do have experience in playing with the pink ball. The Indian batsmen also struggled during that test, with the openers (Mayank Agarwal and Rohit Sharma) unable to make decent scores. It was Virat Kohli who came to the rescue in the end. Also, the Bangladeshi pace attack was led by Ebadot Hossain and Al-Amin Hossain, who doesn't have much test experience.

I didn't meant to draw attention on team strength.

I was merely pointing out that the only D/N game played in India dominated by the fast bowlers. So there might be some chance that we'll see 3 seam +2 spin combination in the next game.

How would pacers play a big role in the day-night match? I don't think there would be a lot of wind help in this weather in Gujarat and neither there is going to be a lot of dew in Gujarat so spinners could very well play a decent role in the match. Am I missing something or is it the pink ball? How exactly do pacers help in a day-night match for any team?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 21, 2021, 09:07:36 AM

^^^ Bangladesh is a weak team (especially when they are playing without Shakib al Hassan), so I don't want to make my predictions based on what happened at Eden Gardens. England is a much more experienced side, and many of the players do have experience in playing with the pink ball. The Indian batsmen also struggled during that test, with the openers (Mayank Agarwal and Rohit Sharma) unable to make decent scores. It was Virat Kohli who came to the rescue in the end. Also, the Bangladeshi pace attack was led by Ebadot Hossain and Al-Amin Hossain, who doesn't have much test experience.

I didn't meant to draw attention on team strength.

I was merely pointing out that the only D/N game played in India dominated by the fast bowlers. So there might be some chance that we'll see 3 seam +2 spin combination in the next game.

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^^^ Bangladesh is a weak team (especially when they are playing without Shakib al Hassan), so I don't want to make my predictions based on what happened at Eden Gardens. England is a much more experienced side, and many of the players do have experience in playing with the pink ball. The Indian batsmen also struggled during that test, with the openers (Mayank Agarwal and Rohit Sharma) unable to make decent scores. It was Virat Kohli who came to the rescue in the end. Also, the Bangladeshi pace attack was led by Ebadot Hossain and Al-Amin Hossain, who doesn't have much test experience.

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In case of 2-2, Australia would get direct entry to the Finals against the Kiwis. Tricky situation for team India, they need 1 win and 1 draw to qualify. England chances are slim, to qualify they need to win last 2 match which seems tough task to ask.

Winning the next two matches for England is a difficult task and now the chances of India qualifying and playing New Zealand is highly likely but if England could pull out a victory in the next two matches then it would be great, the day night Test might be a puzzle as it is difficult to understand how the pitches perform at night in Asian situation as i do not remember any day night match in Asia.

Only 1 D/N game in India (kolkata), Indian pacer (Ishant-Shami-Umesh) took 19 wickets and 1 Bangladeshi player got rtrd hurt. Jadeja-Ashwin duo only bowled 7 overs.

Pitch for 3rd test, Motera Stadium (report - 19 Feb). looks pretty solid for seamers but few more days to go so let's see.
https://twitter.com/murgersb/status/1362691230023434246

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 20, 2021, 06:53:42 PM

Indian team are well versed to indian pitches so I do not think pitche will be an issue for them but it might be for England. This is a D/N match so it will be different and both the teams have a chance to win it.

Indian team may be well adjusted to the ground conditions, but how many times they have played a D/T test in the sub-continent? If I am not wrong, England team is more accustomed to playing D/N matches (international or domestic). BTW, why are are not looking at the possibility of rain interruption? If rain washes out the remaining two matches, then it will be possible for Australia to qualify for the WTC finals.

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In case of 2-2, Australia would get direct entry to the Finals against the Kiwis. Tricky situation for team India, they need 1 win and 1 draw to qualify. England chances are slim, to qualify they need to win last 2 match which seems tough task to ask.

Winning the next two matches for England is a difficult task and now the chances of India qualifying and playing New Zealand is highly likely but if England could pull out a victory in the next two matches then it would be great, the day night Test might be a puzzle as it is difficult to understand how the pitches perform at night in Asian situation as i do not remember any day night match in Asia.

Indian team are well versed to indian pitches so I do not think pitche will be an issue for them but it might be for England. This is a D/N match so it will be different and both the teams have a chance to win it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 20, 2021, 07:47:19 AM

In case of 2-2, Australia would get direct entry to the Finals against the Kiwis. Tricky situation for team India, they need 1 win and 1 draw to qualify. England chances are slim, to qualify they need to win last 2 match which seems tough task to ask.

Winning the next two matches for England is a difficult task and now the chances of India qualifying and playing New Zealand is highly likely but if England could pull out a victory in the next two matches then it would be great, the day night Test might be a puzzle as it is difficult to understand how the pitches perform at night in Asian situation as i do not remember any day night match in Asia.

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Quote from: Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl on February 20, 2021, 05:44:54 AM

The day/night test match will start on 24th between India and England. After their humiliating performance in the second test, this is the best opportunity for England to again take the lead. The pink ball may give slight advantage to their seamers. BTW, who will qualify for the World Test Championship final, in case the series ends in a 2-2 draw?

In case of 2-2, Australia would get direct entry to the Finals against the Kiwis. Tricky situation for team India, they need 1 win and 1 draw to qualify. England chances are slim, to qualify they need to win last 2 match which seems tough task to ask.

Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2021, 08:34:34 AM

This is new scenario for all 3 teams (Eng/Aus/Ind)

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The day/night test match will start on 24th between India and England. After their humiliating performance in the second test, this is the best opportunity for England to again take the lead. The pink ball may give slight advantage to their seamers. BTW, who will qualify for the World Test Championship final, in case the series ends in a 2-2 draw?

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Quote from: ene1980 on February 18, 2021, 05:41:47 AM

CA did the right thing to cancel the tour, there are more strains of the virus and CA have the rights to decide whether to send the players and more over the players will opt to avoid the bubble and the situation. The financial loss for CSA is their concern and they might be looking for some kind of compensation.

Back in 2020, most of the international tours were cancelled as a result of the pandemic and there was no complaints from any of the cricket boards. And I don't know why the CSA is upset so much. It is not like the CA didn't provided them any of the alternate options. They were ready to play the matches at neutral venue and CA also gave an option to play the matches in South Africa at a later date. It was the CSA which rejected all the options put forward by the CA and remained stubborn in its insistence on playing the matches in South Africa without any delay.

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Quote from: SmokerFace on February 18, 2021, 12:39:27 AM

I was waiting for the next 2nd test match which is held between Pakistan and Newzeland and I hope this time Pakistani team show some potential and give their 100%. Our team highly disappoint us on their last test match all the team goes back to the pavilion without contributing the score. New Zealand is now leading the series with 1-0 and in order to draw the series Pakistani should have to do something and give the big target otherwise they'll lose this series too as they lost the T20

When is the Pakistan and New Zealand series, i checked at their schedule and could not find anything and PSL is starting this week so what is the schedule. What i know is that New Zealand is scheduled to face Australia next week.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 18, 2021, 01:50:44 AM

The South African strain of the Coronavirus is a big concern all over the world and I believe that CA did the right thing by requesting to move the series to either Australia, or to a neutral venue. It is the CSA which remained adamant about this.

CA did the right thing to cancel the tour, there are more strains of the virus and CA have the rights to decide whether to send the players and more over the players will opt to avoid the bubble and the situation. The financial loss for CSA is their concern and they might be looking for some kind of compensation.

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The spat between CSA and CA is getting really ugly.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/sa-vs-aus-tour-postponed-csa-lodges-official-complaint-against-cricket-australia-with-icc-1252099

I never had a good opinion about CSA for the last two decades and my opinion hasn't changed till now. They remain one of the most incompetent cricket boards out there. In two decades time, they managed to destroy a team, which once ranked as the no.1 side. The South African strain of the Coronavirus is a big concern all over the world and I believe that CA did the right thing by requesting to move the series to either Australia, or to a neutral venue. It is the CSA which remained adamant about this.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 18, 2021, 01:06:36 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 18, 2021, 12:47:37 AM

Not saying that they are equally talent.

I'm saying that as we grow old we tend to get defensive to certain aspect of our life/things which we grow up with, its not 70s 80s or 2000s anymore. Modern cricket is changed for good or bad dramatically, we can't do much about except embrace and enjoy the change.

How could we expect same from the modern bowlers (Pace or spin) when there is restrictions on fielding, Ball, Bouncers etc? Not fair IMO

As far as I know, these restrictions impacted pace bowlers 95% of the times. Spinners were not much affected. Obviously spinners are not going to bowl any bouncers.. Look at the T20 leagues. The spin bowlers are in great demand, while the pace bowlers (Steyn, Starc, Anderson.etc) are not getting good offers. The ICC could have made it neutral, but they specifically targeted the pace bowlers. On top of that, with every passing year we have less number of tracks which support quality fast bowling.

Fielding restriction effected the spinners most. 2 new ball formula equally bad for both streams (Pace-Spin). Bouncer is for pacer anyway.

I think you didn't get to watch last India tour of SA and ENG? Pacers dominated the series by miles when compared to Batsmen and spinners in all 8 tests ( 3 SA + 5 ENG) and then you also missed the Eng vs Ire, average score was 150ish if i'm not wrong.

Here are the some comments on first page of this thread.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 24, 2019, 06:29:10 AM

LOL England 52/7 and against a team like Ireland.

Quote from: JSRAW on July 24, 2019, 06:54:26 AM

Lol was about to send comment and he's gone Cheesy

67/9

What next after this? Ireland bowled out with in 30 overs too?

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 18, 2021, 12:47:37 AM

Not saying that they are equally talent.

I'm saying that as we grow old we tend to get defensive to certain aspect of our life/things which we grow up with, its not 70s 80s or 2000s anymore. Modern cricket is changed for good or bad dramatically, we can't do much about except embrace and enjoy the change.

How could we expect same from the modern bowlers (Pace or spin) when there is restrictions on fielding, Ball, Bouncers etc? Not fair IMO

As far as I know, these restrictions impacted pace bowlers 95% of the times. Spinners were not much affected. Obviously spinners are not going to bowl any bouncers.. Look at the T20 leagues. The spin bowlers are in great demand, while the pace bowlers (Steyn, Starc, Anderson.etc) are not getting good offers. The ICC could have made it neutral, but they specifically targeted the pace bowlers. On top of that, with every passing year we have less number of tracks which support quality fast bowling.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 18, 2021, 12:26:20 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 18, 2021, 12:03:04 AM

You're changing goal post now.

Anyway, before cricketer used to play max 100ish day of cricket every year but nowadays workload doubled for everyone and i think this believe comes through our bias. Every generation thinks that their timeline was golden period, if we ask same question to younger people in their early 20s or newly adults, they would say Bumrah, Cummins, Archer, Rabada are flag bearers of pace in the modern cricket and old guy like Anderson still kicking in.

I have watched Glenn McGrath, Alan Donald and Curtly Ambrose bowl when I was a kid. And now I am watching Archer, Cummins and Bumrah. For me, the former bunch was much more skilled than the latter. They were exciting to watch and none of the current bowlers could deliver the balls the same way as they did back then. So I am going to disagree if you say that these two groups are equally talented.

Not saying that they are equally talent.

I'm saying that as we grow old we tend to get defensive to certain aspect of our life/things which we grow up with, its not 70s 80s or 2000s anymore. Modern cricket is changed for good or bad dramatically, we can't do much about except embrace and enjoy the change.

How could we expect same from the modern bowlers (Pace or spin) when there is restrictions on fielding, Ball, Bouncers etc? Not fair IMO

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