It seems to work fine for me in Win 7/Chrome. Firefox is another story though. The tabs there aren't tabs at all.
Also it seems that our account balance units are bitcents but are the tables still showing bitcoins? That's unclear and should be reconciled.
Edit: getting a persistent "waiting for betco.in" status bar after sitting at a table. It's my first time using chrome instead of FF so maybe it's always been that way?
Topic: Texas Hold'em and Omaha/Omaha8 Poker Room - NL, Limit, Potlimit games - page 12. (Read 88125 times)
May 15, 2011, 01:59:11 PM
May 15, 2011, 12:25:47 PM
Room switched to bitcents. i.e. if you see on table 1, this means you bet 0.01 BTC.
The tabbed sections don't work on Chrome for Windows. You can't click on Heads Up or Regular - you only see the Popular tables.
Could someone else confirm this bug? I just tried in Win7 with freshly downloaded Chrome and it works.
tomcollins, what browser and OS version you use? may be something specific to these versions.. Also, please try to clear cache and try again. May be something cached?
May 15, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
Why are there no hand histories?
These are important for protection of both players and website!
These are important for protection of both players and website!
Hands are saved in DB, but in not human-readable way. Once I will fix connection issues I plan to implement hands history viewer as well.
May 15, 2011, 09:07:21 AM
Room switched to bitcents. i.e. if you see on table 1, this means you bet 0.01 BTC.
The tabbed sections don't work on Chrome for Windows. You can't click on Heads Up or Regular - you only see the Popular tables.
May 15, 2011, 07:27:06 AM
Why are there no hand histories?
These are important for protection of both players and website!
These are important for protection of both players and website!
May 15, 2011, 02:20:25 AM
Room switched to bitcents. i.e. if you see on table 1, this means you bet 0.01 BTC.
May 15, 2011, 01:37:34 AM
YAY its back we are playing with the software update. lots of good stuff
May 14, 2011, 02:46:59 PM
May 14, 2011, 02:11:27 PM
Some critical problems with the table structure and software that needs to be addressed:
Table spreads-
This looks like a good spread and we'll probably use it. Thanks! Especially having multiple tables at the same stakes so you can multitable.Table spreads-
You're right that the nosebleeds probably don't need to exist.
We also probably need to enhance the table listing interface to make it easier to find the ones you're interested in. If we had that then we should be able to have two HU tables per stake and have them invisible to people that don't care.
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Structure:
3 Bet cap in limit, needs to be raised to ATLEAST 4 bet cap.
The muck/fold problem. Normal protocol is the player that has been called or checked to must show first. Having the person out of position show first no matter what, and the person in position mucking changes a lot.
3 Bet cap in limit, needs to be raised to ATLEAST 4 bet cap.
The muck/fold problem. Normal protocol is the player that has been called or checked to must show first. Having the person out of position show first no matter what, and the person in position mucking changes a lot.
Eww, didn't know it had a 3bet cap. Ugly. Will fix asap.
We're working on the mucking thing. For now the intended fix is just that everyone shows everything at showdown. We might revisit this after the rewrite.
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Button placement:
Fold button is way too small in comparison to raise button, it is too close to the raise button.
folding when you have the option to check, this causes a lot of misclicks and problems
delay in clicking, i have clicked a blank screen only to call an allin once the button showed up.
Stars lets you open fold, I don't see any reason to disallow this.
The delay is an issue. I suggest using a WebKit-based browser - Chrome or Safari - these have the best JS engines for the site and it's much smoother in these browsers.
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Rake:
Having a 100bb cap is a good ruling. Another good guideline is to have a 10bb min. The pot has to be atleast 10bb -100bb to be raked 1%.
For example: i am playing some one in 2c/4c hu limit. After about a few hours, an entire buyin (1btc) has been raked, because there are so many flops seen in hu, yet the pot is so small. So basically we lose 1% of our bets every hand, that can get pretty hefty. And for such a small site, most of the action is HU anyway.
Having a 100bb cap is a good ruling. Another good guideline is to have a 10bb min. The pot has to be atleast 10bb -100bb to be raked 1%.
For example: i am playing some one in 2c/4c hu limit. After about a few hours, an entire buyin (1btc) has been raked, because there are so many flops seen in hu, yet the pot is so small. So basically we lose 1% of our bets every hand, that can get pretty hefty. And for such a small site, most of the action is HU anyway.
Thanks for the suggestion, but we are not going to institute a minimum raked pot size.
No other site does this. I looked up Stars' rake and they don't have a minimum raked pot size - effectively, they do (20c) but only because you can't take less than a penny out of a pot. Our rake is a fifth of theirs at micros. 1btc is also not an entire buyin at any stakes we spread (yet) - there's no such thing as a buyin at limit; 1BTC at 20/40 mBTC is 25BB, hardly high rake for playing a "few hours".
That said, we also don't plan on increasing the rake either. 1% with fractional rake is working really well. We are going to drop the absolute rake cap to 1BTC, because at this point 2BTC is astronomical.
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software bugs:
delays in the auto fold auto call check boxes. I once clicked auto call 5cents when my opponent raised it to 5cents, only to call a 20c raise, because someone reraised him, even though i had clicked "call 5c"
Freezing after calling a bet out of position, this gets tough after having to press f5 every other hand.
The sit out problem. When i try to sit out, it does not allow me to sit out the next hand. It seem to take 10-30 seconds to work and that could cost someone a lot of money.
The auto post blind problem, self explanatory, "I was just here to sit and chat, but i posted my blind and now i have QQ facing a raise"
delays in the auto fold auto call check boxes. I once clicked auto call 5cents when my opponent raised it to 5cents, only to call a 20c raise, because someone reraised him, even though i had clicked "call 5c"
Freezing after calling a bet out of position, this gets tough after having to press f5 every other hand.
The sit out problem. When i try to sit out, it does not allow me to sit out the next hand. It seem to take 10-30 seconds to work and that could cost someone a lot of money.
The auto post blind problem, self explanatory, "I was just here to sit and chat, but i posted my blind and now i have QQ facing a raise"
We might just end up removing the call X box. I never used it on Stars because of the exact reason you stated. It probably doesn't work right anyway.
We know about the call bet OOP bug, it's really aggravating and we're working on that one
I've never had a problem with sitting out. I click Sit Out and then the next hand that is dealt I'm out? Don't wait until the end of the hand to sit out; if you know you're going to leave after the current hand, sit out at the beginning.
Don't sit in if you don't want to play. Uncheck the "Sit in" box on the buyin window or don't buy in at all. I can think of worse things than accidentally sitting in and getting QQ
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I think i covered some of the critical issues that needs to be addressed NOW. This would definitely help this site to grow, once these things are fixed, i think this site will see a lot more traffic. There's definitely a lot of good things about this site and great potential, and these things will be greatly appreciated by the customers!
Definitely. Thanks for the comprehensive suggestions!
May 14, 2011, 12:03:19 PM
Some critical problems with the table structure and software that needs to be addressed:
Table spreads-
The availability of just 1 table .02/.04 limit table and a 2/4 table makes no sense, as.
Having so many hu tables is not really need considering there isn't too much traffic to begin with, it does help to bring in more rake though. However, limit games bring in more rake then NL, that is a known fact.
The following is a good example as a good spread:
.01/.02 NL ---> 2 regular table, 1 hu table
.02/.04 nl ---> 2 regular, 1 hu
.05/.10 nl ---> 2 regular, 1 hu
.10/.25 nl ---> 1 regular, 1 hu
.25/.50 nl 1 regular 1 hu
.5/1 nl 1 regular 1 hu
1/2 nl x 1
and perhaps a nl 5/10, but there wouldn't be action, atleast not the immediate future.
For limit games, the following should be spread:
2c/4c
10c/20c
25c/50c
.50/1
1/2
and 2/4
i dont think pot limit games are needed, nor the nl 10/20 etc etc.
Structure:
3 Bet cap in limit, needs to be raised to ATLEAST 4 bet cap.
The muck/fold problem. Normal protocol is the player that has been called or checked to must show first. Having the person out of position show first no matter what, and the person in position mucking changes a lot.
Button placement:
Fold button is way too small in comparison to raise button, it is too close to the raise button.
folding when you have the option to check, this causes a lot of misclicks and problems
delay in clicking, i have clicked a blank screen only to call an allin once the button showed up.
Rake:
Having a 100bb cap is a good ruling. Another good guideline is to have a 10bb min. The pot has to be atleast 10bb -100bb to be raked 1%.
For example: i am playing some one in 2c/4c hu limit. After about a few hours, an entire buyin (1btc) has been raked, because there are so many flops seen in hu, yet the pot is so small. So basically we lose 1% of our bets every hand, that can get pretty hefty. And for such a small site, most of the action is HU anyway.
software bugs:
delays in the auto fold auto call check boxes. I once clicked auto call 5cents when my opponent raised it to 5cents, only to call a 20c raise, because someone reraised him, even though i had clicked "call 5c"
Freezing after calling a bet out of position, this gets tough after having to press f5 every other hand.
The sit out problem. When i try to sit out, it does not allow me to sit out the next hand. It seem to take 10-30 seconds to work and that could cost someone a lot of money.
The auto post blind problem, self explanatory, "I was just here to sit and chat, but i posted my blind and now i have QQ facing a raise"
I think i covered some of the critical issues that needs to be addressed NOW. This would definitely help this site to grow, once these things are fixed, i think this site will see a lot more traffic. There's definitely a lot of good things about this site and great potential, and these things will be greatly appreciated by the customers!
Table spreads-
The availability of just 1 table .02/.04 limit table and a 2/4 table makes no sense, as.
Having so many hu tables is not really need considering there isn't too much traffic to begin with, it does help to bring in more rake though. However, limit games bring in more rake then NL, that is a known fact.
The following is a good example as a good spread:
.01/.02 NL ---> 2 regular table, 1 hu table
.02/.04 nl ---> 2 regular, 1 hu
.05/.10 nl ---> 2 regular, 1 hu
.10/.25 nl ---> 1 regular, 1 hu
.25/.50 nl 1 regular 1 hu
.5/1 nl 1 regular 1 hu
1/2 nl x 1
and perhaps a nl 5/10, but there wouldn't be action, atleast not the immediate future.
For limit games, the following should be spread:
2c/4c
10c/20c
25c/50c
.50/1
1/2
and 2/4
i dont think pot limit games are needed, nor the nl 10/20 etc etc.
Structure:
3 Bet cap in limit, needs to be raised to ATLEAST 4 bet cap.
The muck/fold problem. Normal protocol is the player that has been called or checked to must show first. Having the person out of position show first no matter what, and the person in position mucking changes a lot.
Button placement:
Fold button is way too small in comparison to raise button, it is too close to the raise button.
folding when you have the option to check, this causes a lot of misclicks and problems
delay in clicking, i have clicked a blank screen only to call an allin once the button showed up.
Rake:
Having a 100bb cap is a good ruling. Another good guideline is to have a 10bb min. The pot has to be atleast 10bb -100bb to be raked 1%.
For example: i am playing some one in 2c/4c hu limit. After about a few hours, an entire buyin (1btc) has been raked, because there are so many flops seen in hu, yet the pot is so small. So basically we lose 1% of our bets every hand, that can get pretty hefty. And for such a small site, most of the action is HU anyway.
software bugs:
delays in the auto fold auto call check boxes. I once clicked auto call 5cents when my opponent raised it to 5cents, only to call a 20c raise, because someone reraised him, even though i had clicked "call 5c"
Freezing after calling a bet out of position, this gets tough after having to press f5 every other hand.
The sit out problem. When i try to sit out, it does not allow me to sit out the next hand. It seem to take 10-30 seconds to work and that could cost someone a lot of money.
The auto post blind problem, self explanatory, "I was just here to sit and chat, but i posted my blind and now i have QQ facing a raise"
I think i covered some of the critical issues that needs to be addressed NOW. This would definitely help this site to grow, once these things are fixed, i think this site will see a lot more traffic. There's definitely a lot of good things about this site and great potential, and these things will be greatly appreciated by the customers!
May 10, 2011, 10:49:39 AM
Today thisweekin.com should do live interview with Gavin and I believe they should touch poker topic as well. I hope it will bring some users too =)
Show should start today at 1pm PST if I am correct - http://twitter.com/TWistartups/status/67800608727498752
Show should start today at 1pm PST if I am correct - http://twitter.com/TWistartups/status/67800608727498752
May 09, 2011, 07:26:53 PM
game going right now..
May 09, 2011, 06:36:57 PM
sitting at the .01/.02 and .02/.04 tables
COME PLAY
COME PLAY
May 08, 2011, 09:47:52 PM
Well, that;s it for me, EOF had lucks side, and I am now broke. Good Game and good luck to all. Be careful out there, gambling is more addicting than drugs if you don't notice.
sorry thirdway; hope it wasn't your last .4btc !
Admin should note that thirdway said he was folded before seeing cards one hand.
It's alright, it was my last 2.50, and I was only playing for fun, not profit. I don't take this personally. Make nothing of it.
May 08, 2011, 09:25:16 PM
Well, that;s it for me, EOF had lucks side, and I am now broke. Good Game and good luck to all. Be careful out there, gambling is more addicting than drugs if you don't notice.
sorry thirdway; hope it wasn't your last .4btc !
Admin should note that thirdway said he was folded before seeing cards one hand.
May 08, 2011, 09:09:35 PM
Well, that;s it for me, EOF had lucks side, and I am now broke. Good Game and good luck to all. Be careful out there, gambling is more addicting than drugs if you don't notice.
May 08, 2011, 08:56:52 PM
sitting right now..
May 08, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
I'm going to play but there is none around. And this is me willing to bet my last BTC2.50 because I lost quite a bit in blackjack haha. I wish I hadn't gotten scammed when I first started, but such cases I guess. I will be in the small bets room
Thank you Third Way for letting us know!
BTW, this is the best way to get into game - sit at table and post announce (here or in separate topic). Bitcoin forum have a lot of visits and your post will be noticed for sure!
May 08, 2011, 08:29:36 PM
I'm going to play but there is none around. And this is me willing to bet my last BTC2.50 because I lost quite a bit in blackjack haha. I wish I hadn't gotten scammed when I first started, but such cases I guess. I will be in the small bets room
May 08, 2011, 06:03:22 PM
Technically this is doable, but it's too much hassle. I have more bigger problems and do not want introduce something which will potentially bring even more problems. So, no. No free tables.
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