Thailand government seeks measures to tackle the problems of illegal gambling. - page 10.

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Quote from: boyptc on January 29, 2021, 09:05:56 AM

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

No owners would really be tending on hiding with the shadows and if they can really take advantage on having connections in to those top positioned fellas then they would really be doing
some sort of common action.When government do see it that it would really be beneficial of them then they would surely be making steps that would really be on a win-win situation.
Instead of blocking or prohibiting them then why wont allow them instead? They are really aware on the possibly benefit or exchange if doing such thing.
It all matters into their decision though.

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Quote from: boyptc on January 29, 2021, 09:05:56 AM

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 28, 2021, 08:12:00 PM

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

Indeed, lottery may be the cheapest form of gambling that anyone can afford in the local community and that good thing is it is legal. Each country may have their own kind of lottery and they will collect taxes in this and part of it will be distributed in each departments and foundations, it can help those who are in need especially those pro Bono patients in the hospitals. But even this thing is legal there will be more games that people continue to play even it will cause them to be imprisoned.

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Quote from: michellee on January 27, 2021, 12:12:16 AM

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Quote from: michellee on January 26, 2021, 12:22:57 AM

Shut down the illegal gambling will not succeed because there will be much more illegal gambling running in a secret place without the government knows. Maybe the government does not need to shut down the illegal gambling, but they can use another approach to the owner and give an offer that can benefit the owner and the government.

Run into a secret place or not, they'll take them down. Why do you think illegal gambling shouldn't shutdown? The owner should be the one to approach the government.

Not the government approaching and pleasing them to become legal. That's why they are illegal, they're up to something against the law.

It will relate to many people out there who want to play gambling, but they do not want to get a formal situation. If the government can use a different approach to the owner and invite them to communicate, I think they will realize that they do not have to be an illegal gambling place.

Illegal gambling is against the law because they do not register their place to the government, and the owner does not want to pay any taxes. But they pay the fee to some people who have the power to protect them from the law. If the government can use this to give the owner a chance to be on the government side, it could give more income to the government, and the owner does not have to worry or worry if they break the law.

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 29, 2021, 12:14:25 AM

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Nost gambling forms in the Philippines which was illegal had been permitted by the government with certain restrictions. Gambling is a big industry and it will be impossible to fully control or stop such activities, so they chose to govern and make it legal and give some restrictions so that they can also benefit from it through taxes. Which is a win-win situation for gamblers and the government. Gambling is part of our culture, even with the government's restriction people will find ways to gamble.

They are not even to stop because of the authorities' laxity. The sad thing is that some of the authorities are running such illegal gambling, who wants to stop them, none? It is just the way we think that illegal gambling will still exist for the next generation and I don't believe there was an end to this issue.

As the spread of gambling continues, more young adults get into trouble and addiction. It's up for us to stop our own rather than to stop the whole thing of gambling. Less hopes it become possible since the government also benefiting from this.

There were attempts in the past for the Gambling authorities in government to legalize some of the numbers game that has plagued the country since time immemorial and that is by establishing the small town lotteries. Cockfighting has become a way of life in the provinces and the horse races are still staple in the major cities. Maybe the pandemic has temporarily put these into halt (except for the lotteries) but I think once the situation normalizes then we will see a peak of these games again. Oh, I might also add the card games during funerals also needs to be stopped.

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Quote from: Ucy on January 29, 2021, 03:19:10 AM

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

Now let's look at some quote taken from google :

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There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

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70 percent of thai adults? Shocked

Wow that's a really high rate! What's your exact source for those figures please?
It implies that most of thaï women are regular gamblers too. That's crazy!

I doubt it's up that percentage. Even the safe bettors who bet regularly would not be upto that percentage atall, not to talk of 70% of the country's adult population engage in very risk bettings. It's possible that number of people who bet occasionally in the country is up to that percentage though. Calling 70% of the adults gamblers (gamblers in betting) is likely an exaggeration

To be honest I am also surprised by these numbers.

70% is a huge percentage of a country and even though we are talking about the adult gamblers, that is still a huge percentage. Despite that, there are also a lot of people that know a lottery in a country and almost all of the people knew about it. When you say lotto to the people, they will immediately know what you are talking about. That is why despite me getting surprised by that, I know that is true.

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Quote from: Ucy on January 29, 2021, 03:19:10 AM

I doubt it's up that percentage. Even the safe bettors who bet regularly would not be upto that percentage atall, not to talk of 70% of the country's adult population engage in very risk bettings. It's possible that number of people who bet occasionally in the country is up to that percentage though. Calling 70% of the adults gamblers (gamblers in betting) is likely an exaggeration

At 70% that would make Thailand one of the countries with many gamblers, to think that gambling here is illegal I also consider this too exaggerated, if they are going to fine those will violate that means a lot of money but it's also a source of corruption among their police, as a violator you will opt to a lesser cost of fine and if the police are corrupt they will offer them to release for half the fine, and many will bribe officials too.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 29, 2021, 05:13:03 AM

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Make this decentralized so that the governments cannot shut it down. Cool

Well, I don't know how this will work but it sounds interesting to me.
Blockchain will give power to that proposal if they want, they can create a decentralized gambling platform that operates with open-source code and also the purpose that other developers can work for the development of such platform, why not?
Without central operators, gambling will smoothly operate and I don't think the government of Thailand can stop this idea.
On other hand, can a licensed gambling site consider as illegal if this will operate in Thailand?

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 29, 2021, 05:13:03 AM

See this is why most gambling should shift to a online platform.. even the small street corner gambling operations should shift to mobile phones. So that you can still gamble against your friends from the safety of your home. Wink

Where are the software developers? Why can they not create an online version of these street games and then create an option where you can group friends together to gamble in a safe way? (They can take 1% of each round that are played to cover their expense for hosting these games and the players can get the lion share of the winnings) Wink

Make this decentralized so that the governments cannot shut it down. Cool

These should be taken seriously and i hope that the Thai Government can come up a better solution for these. A health related issues should always be the top priority as of these time where the world are still figuring out what vaccine will be the effective one to fight for the Covid. And i am agreeing with the thought that gambling should be upgraded and updated where online gambling while at home, safe and without worrying about health risk was not the main concern anymore

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See this is why most gambling should shift to a online platform.. even the small street corner gambling operations should shift to mobile phones. So that you can still gamble against your friends from the safety of your home. Wink

Where are the software developers? Why can they not create an online version of these street games and then create an option where you can group friends together to gamble in a safe way? (They can take 1% of each round that are played to cover their expense for hosting these games and the players can get the lion share of the winnings) Wink

Make this decentralized so that the governments cannot shut it down. Cool

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 26, 2021, 04:28:31 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

Now let's look at some quote taken from google :

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There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

-snip

70 percent of thai adults? Shocked

Wow that's a really high rate! What's your exact source for those figures please?
It implies that most of thaï women are regular gamblers too. That's crazy!

I doubt it's up that percentage. Even the safe bettors who bet regularly would not be upto that percentage atall, not to talk of 70% of the country's adult population engage in very risk bettings. It's possible that number of people who bet occasionally in the country is up to that percentage though. Calling 70% of the adults gamblers (gamblers in betting) is likely an exaggeration

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 29, 2021, 01:41:56 AM

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

I agree with you, legal casinos are profitable just like the lottery because our government gets something from it. And the lottery company itself can assist just like medical and charity work.

As for the closure of illegal gambling in Thailand, it really should be shut down because it is illegal. And let them continue to operate legally and licensed gambling because even if they involve small gambling businesses, they will lose their jobs, especially if this is what they expect daily. It also depends on how the steps their government will take, whether the outcome will be successful. They just tighten the rules instead of closing them, just like having a limit or number of clients or customers, and schedule the opening and closing of the casino. Of course, followers must also adhere to the applicable laws or protocols and apply the discipline to themselves.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 28, 2021, 08:12:00 PM

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

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It's good to see OP that you are searching the world in regards gambling regulation , From Argentina ,Japan and Cambodia ? and now it is Thailand that you are spreading the gambling news .

But this is one of the most interesting because this tackles Illegal gambling that we knew how damaging the taxation of the government.

Hope that they will End this even not totally but at least more than half will be put to Justice.

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Quote from: Genemind on January 28, 2021, 11:48:54 PM

Quote from: iTradeChips on January 28, 2021, 11:37:26 PM

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Nost gambling forms in the Philippines which was illegal had been permitted by the government with certain restrictions. Gambling is a big industry and it will be impossible to fully control or stop such activities, so they chose to govern and make it legal and give some restrictions so that they can also benefit from it through taxes. Which is a win-win situation for gamblers and the government. Gambling is part of our culture, even with the government's restriction people will find ways to gamble.

They are not even to stop because of the authorities' laxity. The sad thing is that some of the authorities are running such illegal gambling, who wants to stop them, none? It is just the way we think that illegal gambling will still exist for the next generation and I don't believe there was an end to this issue.

As the spread of gambling continues, more young adults get into trouble and addiction. It's up for us to stop our own rather than to stop the whole thing of gambling. Less hopes it become possible since the government also benefiting from this.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on January 28, 2021, 11:37:26 PM

All countries of Southeast Asia and not just Thailand has an enormous gambling problem. I am not sure for the muslim countries but in the Philippines as well, we have a big illegal gambling activity for many many years now. All the presidents since the '60s I think have tried it but failed. Cockfighting was illegal before but right now it was legalized but with certain conditions. Most common illegal gambling activities would be the electronic horse races and also what we call Jueteng which is a numbers game. Maybe the situation is similar in Thailand possibly with racing and illegal lotteries.

Nost gambling forms in the Philippines which was illegal had been permitted by the government with certain restrictions. Gambling is a big industry and it will be impossible to fully control or stop such activities, so they chose to govern and make it legal and give some restrictions so that they can also benefit from it through taxes. Which is a win-win situation for gamblers and the government. Gambling is part of our culture, even with the government's restriction people will find ways to gamble.

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All countries of Southeast Asia and not just Thailand has an enormous gambling problem. I am not sure for the muslim countries but in the Philippines as well, we have a big illegal gambling activity for many many years now. All the presidents since the '60s I think have tried it but failed. Cockfighting was illegal before but right now it was legalized but with certain conditions. Most common illegal gambling activities would be the electronic horse races and also what we call Jueteng which is a numbers game. Maybe the situation is similar in Thailand possibly with racing and illegal lotteries.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 28, 2021, 08:12:00 PM

Thank you for the link.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

Lottery is a form of gambling. Do you want to consider only casino games under this category? And that is one of the reasons why other forms of gambling are banned in Thailand. The profits from national lottery goes to the government. And as far as I know, less than 25% of the revenue from the ticket sales are used for the prize pool. It is like a casino having house advantage of 75%. And therefore it is not surprising that they don't want competitors in that field.

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Quote from: Mahanton on January 26, 2021, 04:56:12 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on January 26, 2021, 04:28:31 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

Now let's look at some quote taken from google :

Quote

There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

-snip

70 percent of thai adults? Shocked

Wow that's a really high rate! What's your exact source for those figures please?
It implies that most of thaï women are regular gamblers too. That's crazy!

Maybe he do get those figures or percentage on these websites.

https://www.mdgasiapacific.org/gambling-in-thailand/gambling-in-thailand-market/

"The national lottery game is a primary game which is played by the Thailand players. Thailand initiates strict laws to play the game. In a recent survey, approximately 70% of the adult populations gamble regularly."

It hasnt been clarified if women is included into this one though.

Thank you for the link.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

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Quote from: boyptc on January 26, 2021, 09:51:31 AM

Quote from: michellee on January 26, 2021, 12:22:57 AM

Shut down the illegal gambling will not succeed because there will be much more illegal gambling running in a secret place without the government knows. Maybe the government does not need to shut down the illegal gambling, but they can use another approach to the owner and give an offer that can benefit the owner and the government.

Run into a secret place or not, they'll take them down. Why do you think illegal gambling shouldn't shutdown? The owner should be the one to approach the government.

Not the government approaching and pleasing them to become legal. That's why they are illegal, they're up to something against the law.

It will relate to many people out there who want to play gambling, but they do not want to get a formal situation. If the government can use a different approach to the owner and invite them to communicate, I think they will realize that they do not have to be an illegal gambling place.

Illegal gambling is against the law because they do not register their place to the government, and the owner does not want to pay any taxes. But they pay the fee to some people who have the power to protect them from the law. If the government can use this to give the owner a chance to be on the government side, it could give more income to the government, and the owner does not have to worry or worry if they break the law.

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