Thailand government seeks measures to tackle the problems of illegal gambling. - page 9.

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Quote from: Mauser on January 31, 2021, 05:36:55 AM

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

What do you think ?
Should they make reforms before shutting down the whole thing ? I think this could benefit people and the government as a whole.

First of all let me know if gambling is legal in thailand ? If it is not legal then no one can run casino officially however people can still play online.
If the gambling is allowed in thailand, then government should give certain timeline to all the casino owner to register their casino. Failure to do so could result in legal action against them.

Going into legal actions against a lot of gamblers is very time consuming. You need state attorneys and judges ready to deal with all these cases which is going to cost a lot of time and will also turn a lot of people and families against the politics of Thailand. Wouldn't it be better to try and spend that time and money in a more useful manner? Fully legalising gambling would mean the government is actually profiting of it and gives their citizens a better legal framework if something goes wrong.

I agree with this proposition. I mean it is a win-win situation for both of the parties. People could gamble as long as they want legally and the government could get taxes that they could use and would help the country grow. It is better than these people finding a way, getting through a hole of a needle just to bet their money illegaly.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on January 31, 2021, 01:17:52 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

What do you think ?
Should they make reforms before shutting down the whole thing ? I think this could benefit people and the government as a whole.

First of all let me know if gambling is legal in thailand ? If it is not legal then no one can run casino officially however people can still play online.
If the gambling is allowed in thailand, then government should give certain timeline to all the casino owner to register their casino. Failure to do so could result in legal action against them.

As far as I know, it is banned there.

As long as it is not a government-supported lottery or betting on horse races, it is illegal. I don't know how addicted people are to gambling in this country but like those Chinese people, they are also into gambling. I don't know about casinos in that country, but I just hope they would just regulate it so they will not be having a problem, that also means tax for the government.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on January 31, 2021, 01:17:52 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

What do you think ?
Should they make reforms before shutting down the whole thing ? I think this could benefit people and the government as a whole.

First of all let me know if gambling is legal in thailand ? If it is not legal then no one can run casino officially however people can still play online.
If the gambling is allowed in thailand, then government should give certain timeline to all the casino owner to register their casino. Failure to do so could result in legal action against them.

Going into legal actions against a lot of gamblers is very time consuming. You need state attorneys and judges ready to deal with all these cases which is going to cost a lot of time and will also turn a lot of people and families against the politics of Thailand. Wouldn't it be better to try and spend that time and money in a more useful manner? Fully legalising gambling would mean the government is actually profiting of it and gives their citizens a better legal framework if something goes wrong.

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Quote from: Text on January 30, 2021, 07:38:53 AM

Quote from: boyptc on January 30, 2021, 06:37:26 AM

I'm calm mate.

What I'm telling, it's not the government that will approach those illegal casinos and make them illegal. Who should be doing the first move?

Not them but those illegal gambling places if they want to get certified and be legal.

It also depends, if the government makes a public announcement about the mandatory registration of all gambling businesses. Just like the implementation of the registration of online sellers here in our country but it is not followed. Maybe at first, some will follow but later they will also lose attention and return to the old routine unless they focus on and restrict law enforcement. Some are stubborn but it often happens that the authorities approach or pursue illegal activities. When you ban it, because of the hardships of life today, it will do and will still do illegally especially if they have nothing else to think about to do just to live especially now that the condition of the pandemic is exacerbated.

If that is so then that is a directive from the government and still, they have to come over to settle what is unsettled.

If they want to remain illegal, they can ignore.

But if they don't want to, they will listen, come and will have their initiative.

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

What do you think ?
Should they make reforms before shutting down the whole thing ? I think this could benefit people and the government as a whole.

First of all let me know if gambling is legal in thailand ? If it is not legal then no one can run casino officially however people can still play online.
If the gambling is allowed in thailand, then government should give certain timeline to all the casino owner to register their casino. Failure to do so could result in legal action against them.

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Quote from: boyptc on January 30, 2021, 06:37:26 AM

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Quote from: boyptc on January 29, 2021, 09:05:56 AM

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

I'm calm mate.

What I'm telling, it's not the government that will approach those illegal casinos and make them illegal. Who should be doing the first move?

Not them but those illegal gambling places if they want to get certified and be legal.

Maybe the government needs to approach them, especially after the government can know if the owner has an illegal gambling business. If they can offer a win-win solution to them, I think the owner will think about that, and sooner or later, the owner will see the benefits of making their business legal in their country. Maybe after the government busted the owner because of illegal gambling, they can make offers to make the owner think about what they should do with the government's suggestions.

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There are other things that the government in Thailand should be concerned about right now. There will first have to be tourists who bring money before gambling can be resumed in its way.
I also don't think that the Thai police will take any harsh action against this, you would only cause fear to tourists. Bad for the name.

But with the high number of gamblers, this should be a big concern, I don't think it will have an impact on tourism because these gambling operators are working underground, even tourist will not aware that there are existing and gambling is illegal here, every government should have a plan for gambling because it's destroying the nation's good value.

Illegal gambling are not for the tourist, they work on locals and Thailand knows the effect of this and that’s why they are trying to seek more measure to prevent them from making money without paying taxes. Why would you take the risk on playing illegally where you can have fun on legit sites and have the profit where you can put into your banks legally.

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Quote from: BTCGOLD on January 30, 2021, 03:56:30 AM

There are other things that the government in Thailand should be concerned about right now. There will first have to be tourists who bring money before gambling can be resumed in its way.
I also don't think that the Thai police will take any harsh action against this, you would only cause fear to tourists. Bad for the name.

But with the high number of gamblers, this should be a big concern, I don't think it will have an impact on tourism because these gambling operators are working underground, even tourist will not aware that there are existing and gambling is illegal here, every government should have a plan for gambling because it's destroying the nation's good value.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on January 29, 2021, 05:43:55 PM

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

The only difference now is that the operators of illegal casinos will be forced to pay additional bribes to the cops. Thailand is just like any other third world country, with corruption being rampant among the bureaucracy and police force. Despite all these restrictions, the majority of the illegal casinos would continue to operate by bribing the politicians and the policemen. Once in a while, a few people may be arrested just to show that the cops are serious about implementing the law.

Oh, that is one. Obviously, some of those big underground gambling places would be backed up by someone inside the government. In some parts of our country, there are also a lot of illegal cockfightings and usually, when police came, they would just run on mountains or hide in the forest just to run from the police with their cocks.

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Quote from: boyptc on January 30, 2021, 06:37:26 AM

I'm calm mate.

What I'm telling, it's not the government that will approach those illegal casinos and make them illegal. Who should be doing the first move?

Not them but those illegal gambling places if they want to get certified and be legal.

It also depends, if the government makes a public announcement about the mandatory registration of all gambling businesses. Just like the implementation of the registration of online sellers here in our country but it is not followed. Maybe at first, some will follow but later they will also lose attention and return to the old routine unless they focus on and restrict law enforcement. Some are stubborn but it often happens that the authorities approach or pursue illegal activities. When you ban it, because of the hardships of life today, it will do and will still do illegally especially if they have nothing else to think about to do just to live especially now that the condition of the pandemic is exacerbated.

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Quote from: michellee on January 29, 2021, 01:19:57 PM

Quote from: boyptc on January 29, 2021, 09:05:56 AM

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

I'm calm mate.

What I'm telling, it's not the government that will approach those illegal casinos and make them illegal. Who should be doing the first move?

Not them but those illegal gambling places if they want to get certified and be legal.

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Quote from: BTCGOLD on January 30, 2021, 03:56:30 AM

There are other things that the government in Thailand should be concerned about right now. There will first have to be tourists who bring money before gambling can be resumed in its way.
I also don't think that the Thai police will take any harsh action against this, you would only cause fear to tourists. Bad for the name.

Why would they have a problem with tourists?

In terms of this topic, the government of Thailand is having a problem with underground gambling, I don't think tourists that came to Thailand would be a problem since most of these tourists would obviously bet on casinos and not in these illegal places. That won't fear tourists because, at the first place, it is not the reason why these tourists came to that country.

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There are other things that the government in Thailand should be concerned about right now. There will first have to be tourists who bring money before gambling can be resumed in its way.
I also don't think that the Thai police will take any harsh action against this, you would only cause fear to tourists. Bad for the name.

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Quote from: Mahanton on January 29, 2021, 03:37:58 PM

No owners would really be tending on hiding with the shadows and if they can really take advantage on having connections in to those top positioned fellas then they would really be doing
some sort of common action.When government do see it that it would really be beneficial of them then they would surely be making steps that would really be on a win-win situation.
Instead of blocking or prohibiting them then why wont allow them instead? They are really aware on the possibly benefit or exchange if doing such thing.
It all matters into their decision though.

That is only if the government wants to get additional income from them, and they concern about legalizing illegal gambling in their country. People will not have to hide their activity to playing gambling because they can free to go to the casino and play gambling with legalizing from the government. It is no use in blocking or prohibiting the illegal gambling business if that country allows gambling because that will give the officials a chance to corrupt the system.

Quote from: FlightyPouch on January 29, 2021, 05:43:55 PM

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

If the government is banning these gambling places, many more hidden gambling places will open to many people secretly because they do not want the government to know about they are playing gambling. Maybe the casino is not applying strict rules to people who come to their place and playing gambling, and maybe there is no strict supervision from the casino. If the casino can strictly with their rules, I am sure people will not try to break the health protocols.

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I think it's better for them to let it be legal rather than just completely remove it from their system. The revenue can help their economy, and if managed well, can help them rise back up. It just takes a bit more costs to actually manage and ensure that the gambling establishments follow protocols properly. Not to mention that no matter what, even if they try to remove it, one or two would pop back up in a matter of months, so might as well accommodate and use it to their advantage.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on January 29, 2021, 05:43:55 PM

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

The only difference now is that the operators of illegal casinos will be forced to pay additional bribes to the cops. Thailand is just like any other third world country, with corruption being rampant among the bureaucracy and police force. Despite all these restrictions, the majority of the illegal casinos would continue to operate by bribing the politicians and the policemen. Once in a while, a few people may be arrested just to show that the cops are serious about implementing the law.

The issue here is simply following safety protocols, so couldn't the government spare the manpower to monitor establishments, under the guise of it being "helping" as a sort of fix for it? Cause in the end, having someone monitor it and ensure that it follows would simply fix the problem, and most possibly reducing the chances of as you say, casinos remaining to be listed as illegal.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on January 29, 2021, 05:43:55 PM

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

The only difference now is that the operators of illegal casinos will be forced to pay additional bribes to the cops. Thailand is just like any other third world country, with corruption being rampant among the bureaucracy and police force. Despite all these restrictions, the majority of the illegal casinos would continue to operate by bribing the politicians and the policemen. Once in a while, a few people may be arrested just to show that the cops are serious about implementing the law.

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Quote from: michellee on January 29, 2021, 01:19:57 PM

Quote from: boyptc on January 29, 2021, 09:05:56 AM

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

The problem there is though is that I think they will be banning these gambling places for good. One of the main reasons I am seeing in this article is that there are a lot of people there that break the rules or the safety measures being applied because of the pandemic. I don't think that the owners have a choice since they will be sent straight to jail.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on January 23, 2021, 01:51:31 PM

Given the current situation of the pandemic, business owners are opting to establish illegal gambling facilities to at least help them with their situation. But the pandemic alone does not justify their illegal gambling activities especially that they lack all the required licenses and permits to do so.

To me this is a big factor, in my country many businesses are so desperate because they still cannot open their doors that many are deciding to open a new business outside the regulations, so not only they get to be open they also avoid paying taxes to the government, governments are not going to like this one bit but if they keep such a posture of not allowing businesses to open their doors then people are going to do something to about it even if that means not respecting the law.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 28, 2021, 08:12:00 PM

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

The ongoing conversation before Saint-loup above message was about the percentage of Thailand adults that gambling regularly which was said to be 70%, I believe women are included and when he heard that the result seem to be base on the Thailand lottery game which is usually back by the government.

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Quote from: Mahanton on January 29, 2021, 03:37:58 PM

Quote from: michellee on January 29, 2021, 01:19:57 PM

Quote from: boyptc on January 29, 2021, 09:05:56 AM

As I'm telling you, it's not the government that will ask them to and approach them. You don't understand it. It isn't the government that will give them special treatment with sort of "approach" you're saying.

If it's illegal then it is illegal.

Calm down bro. The government can say it is illegal and legal, and they can also change from illegal to legal if they can approach the illegal gambling and ask the owner to make it legal. Maybe they can give special treatment to them as you say, and I think if that treatment is a win-win solution, the owner will think about it. Who knows, with making that deal, the government can invite them to make their business legal, so they do not have to bribe the officials. I think not all of the owners want to have an illegal gambling business.

No owners would really be tending on hiding with the shadows and if they can really take advantage on having connections in to those top positioned fellas then they would really be doing
some sort of common action.When government do see it that it would really be beneficial of them then they would surely be making steps that would really be on a win-win situation.
Instead of blocking or prohibiting them then why wont allow them instead? They are really aware on the possibly benefit or exchange if doing such thing.
It all matters into their decision though.

Better meet halfway with the government rather than continue the business in illegal way. The truth is, if you are an owner and will not comply with the legalities, you will spend more as you need to pay grease money to corrupt officials. That's the usual scenario here. So why not make your business legal at all angles? At least you will not be running from authorities all throughout your business life.

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