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Topic: Thailand government seeks measures to tackle the problems of illegal gambling. - page 7. (Read 3544 times)

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I think it isn't an issue of money or anything, just of morality itself. Not from Thailand, but I suppose by the fact that they haven't legalized allowing casinos under their country, it seems to me that the government there generally frowns upon it, whether it could bring profit or not isn't really a matter they would take into account. Although I do agree with legalizing it instead of letting it stay as illegal, it also means that they basically gave in to the community of gamblers, which may paint them as an irresponsible government (at least, in their own eyes).

Perhaps, the government can educate them about the danger of playing gambling. Instead of saving their money to buy their daily needs, they just use it for playing gambling, which they can't always win. It needs awareness from people themselves to know that playing gambling needs responsibility to control themselves and not use the money for their needs. By legalizing illegal gambling, the government can get more income from the gambling business, which can be their additional income source.
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Fortunately, we have online gambling or sports betting websites that we can use to bet on our favorite sports or visit the crypto gambling site, so we can still playing gambling from home. That will be safe for us as we do not have to go to other places, and we do not have to worry about the government's regulations as they will hard to control their people to gambling using the internet.

The problem is that the Internet becomes more and more regulated every year and soon it will be necessary to create some new protocols for decentralized interaction of people. The existing methods for bypassing blocking are no longer enough. Perhaps the crypto will be the prototype for this new network.
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i believe that a country somewhere in Europe also has this same issue last year? when they are extending the Illegal gambling fight in their region?

though i cant remember it well and cant find the thread i'm sure European country is also moving in this actions.

Thailand Make it better in having this measures because many countries in Asia specially those who had Chinese Businesses or operators comes with illegal businesses also.

The big problem is that we can't travel at the moment. If you really wanted to gamble you could have just gotten on to a plane to Macau and gamble legal. But right now we are stuck at home and using a casino locally might be illegal. So we are kind of forced into online gambling even though its illegal. Which makes it very hard for the government to control the Internet.
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I think the owners better not be forced to follow the legal process, but the government can provide a solution that will provide them with benefits by getting legal with the government. It is like legalizing their business by following the government's procedure so that they can run their business without worry. Legal can prevent bribing corrupt officials, and they can give the money for paying the tax. The government needs to find ways to benefit illegal gambling to follow them, and the government can get more taxes. If much illegal gambling can follow the government's suggestions, it can give the country the income to help them survive in these times.
I think it isn't an issue of money or anything, just of morality itself. Not from Thailand, but I suppose by the fact that they haven't legalized allowing casinos under their country, it seems to me that the government there generally frowns upon it, whether it could bring profit or not isn't really a matter they would take into account. Although I do agree with legalizing it instead of letting it stay as illegal, it also means that they basically gave in to the community of gamblers, which may paint them as an irresponsible government (at least, in their own eyes).
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i believe that a country somewhere in Europe also has this same issue last year? when they are extending the Illegal gambling fight in their region?

though i cant remember it well and cant find the thread i'm sure European country is also moving in this actions.

Thailand Make it better in having this measures because many countries in Asia specially those who had Chinese Businesses or operators comes with illegal businesses also.
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definitely, govt cant get tax the black market. but the govt should reconsider how they approach the gambling community. they can always legalise it in a way, it is not too taxing for the owners as we are still in crisis. these business owners will be forced to follow the legal process in order to continue their business. so it is a win-win situation for the govt and business owners. they need to thrive both during these times to support their people.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there is no way for illegal casinos to be legalized in Thailand, because only horse races and national government lottery is allowed there. Any other kind of casino game won't be able to be legalized even if the owners paid the necessary taxes to run the business. It would be a win-win situation if the government was open-minded regards gambling activity.

Thailand government is so strict about this subject that individuals can't own more than 120 playing cards. Shocked
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definitely, govt cant get tax the black market. but the govt should reconsider how they approach the gambling community. they can always legalise it in a way, it is not too taxing for the owners as we are still in crisis. these business owners will be forced to follow the legal process in order to continue their business. so it is a win-win situation for the govt and business owners. they need to thrive both during these times to support their people.

I think the owners better not be forced to follow the legal process, but the government can provide a solution that will provide them with benefits by getting legal with the government. It is like legalizing their business by following the government's procedure so that they can run their business without worry. Legal can prevent bribing corrupt officials, and they can give the money for paying the tax. The government needs to find ways to benefit illegal gambling to follow them, and the government can get more taxes. If much illegal gambling can follow the government's suggestions, it can give the country the income to help them survive in these times.
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Lottery is completely upon luck. We take the ticket, and wait for the announcement of the winner through random pick of lotteries. Yes, lotteries have a fixed value and there is no need to risk big amounts to receive big return as we do with casinos. Different forms of lotteries are in usage around the globe. As users stated, lottery is just a game, which is being played regularly by people depending on luck nothing more than that. There are rare incidents where people have made calculations on the buying of tickets and succeeded.

The fact that they did some calculations does not mean that it had any impact on the result. Many players think that they have a "system" and they will beat the lottery/casino, but in fact everything is going as it should go according to math. I do not mean those cases where errors were made in the lottery number generator or in the casino software.
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Thank you for the link.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.
Lottery is a form of gambling. Do you want to consider only casino games under this category? And that is one of the reasons why other forms of gambling are banned in Thailand. The profits from national lottery goes to the government. And as far as I know, less than 25% of the revenue from the ticket sales are used for the prize pool. It is like a casino having house advantage of 75%. And therefore it is not surprising that they don't want competitors in that field.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.
Yes you are right it's a "form of gambling" as you say but for me it's not really pure gambling.
Usually you can't even decide how much you will bet on your ticket, the price is fixed.
Lottery is completely upon luck. We take the ticket, and wait for the announcement of the winner through random pick of lotteries. Yes, lotteries have a fixed value and there is no need to risk big amounts to receive big return as we do with casinos. Different forms of lotteries are in usage around the globe. As users stated, lottery is just a game, which is being played regularly by people depending on luck nothing more than that. There are rare incidents where people have made calculations on the buying of tickets and succeeded.
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Thank you for the link.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.
Lottery is a form of gambling. Do you want to consider only casino games under this category? And that is one of the reasons why other forms of gambling are banned in Thailand. The profits from national lottery goes to the government. And as far as I know, less than 25% of the revenue from the ticket sales are used for the prize pool. It is like a casino having house advantage of 75%. And therefore it is not surprising that they don't want competitors in that field.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.
Yes you are right it's a "form of gambling" as you say but for me it's not really pure gambling.
Usually you can't even decide how much you will bet on your ticket, the price is fixed.
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Yes, there are always people who support illegal gambling for a simple reason, it's profitable. Also, for some gamblers the fact they are gambling illegal makes even a bigger thrill.

Isn't it obvious that people are expecting a profit that's why they gamble? Legit or illegal gambling, no difference in terms of probability to win.

The reason why people support illegal gambling is not that it's profitable but it's because of borderless and not much restriction. That's why while government thinks of a way to shut down illegal ones, they should also go after the people that support it.
That is never going to work, many of those that are gambling in those establishments do not really even know the place where they are gambling does not have the necessary permissions by the government to operate, it is not your job as a gambler to see if the place in which you are gambling has everything in order, most people that gamble only want to get some fun and are not really interested in the profits that they can have, they do not want another headache in their lives so I think it is a complete mistake to try to punish them when they are not the ones that are violating the law directly.
And the governments take that into consideration, it's not like it will be a gambler's job to seek legal casinos, the whole point of these restrictions is to limit access to black market casinos and thus eliminate the possibility of people using those websites. The major problem (and the reason why despite the given number of legal casinos people still go for illegal ones) is that the government isn't really a professional in the gambling sphere, so they can't provide people with decent alternatives.
Also, I think the govs are shutting down the black market not in order to punish gamblers, but simply because there's no tax on such casinos, which means no profit for the government, which is a potential threat to the economical stability of a certain country.


definitely, govt cant get tax the black market. but the govt should reconsider how they approach the gambling community. they can always legalise it in a way, it is not too taxing for the owners as we are still in crisis. these business owners will be forced to follow the legal process in order to continue their business. so it is a win-win situation for the govt and business owners. they need to thrive both during these times to support their people.
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Yes, there are always people who support illegal gambling for a simple reason, it's profitable. Also, for some gamblers the fact they are gambling illegal makes even a bigger thrill.

Isn't it obvious that people are expecting a profit that's why they gamble? Legit or illegal gambling, no difference in terms of probability to win.

The reason why people support illegal gambling is not that it's profitable but it's because of borderless and not much restriction. That's why while government thinks of a way to shut down illegal ones, they should also go after the people that support it.
That is never going to work, many of those that are gambling in those establishments do not really even know the place where they are gambling does not have the necessary permissions by the government to operate, it is not your job as a gambler to see if the place in which you are gambling has everything in order, most people that gamble only want to get some fun and are not really interested in the profits that they can have, they do not want another headache in their lives so I think it is a complete mistake to try to punish them when they are not the ones that are violating the law directly.
And the governments take that into consideration, it's not like it will be a gambler's job to seek legal casinos, the whole point of these restrictions is to limit access to black market casinos and thus eliminate the possibility of people using those websites. The major problem (and the reason why despite the given number of legal casinos people still go for illegal ones) is that the government isn't really a professional in the gambling sphere, so they can't provide people with decent alternatives.
Also, I think the govs are shutting down the black market not in order to punish gamblers, but simply because there's no tax on such casinos, which means no profit for the government, which is a potential threat to the economical stability of a certain country.



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Yes, there are always people who support illegal gambling for a simple reason, it's profitable. Also, for some gamblers the fact they are gambling illegal makes even a bigger thrill.

Isn't it obvious that people are expecting a profit that's why they gamble? Legit or illegal gambling, no difference in terms of probability to win.

The reason why people support illegal gambling is not that it's profitable but it's because of borderless and not much restriction. That's why while government thinks of a way to shut down illegal ones, they should also go after the people that support it.
That is never going to work, many of those that are gambling in those establishments do not really even know the place where they are gambling does not have the necessary permissions by the government to operate, it is not your job as a gambler to see if the place in which you are gambling has everything in order, most people that gamble only want to get some fun and are not really interested in the profits that they can have, they do not want another headache in their lives so I think it is a complete mistake to try to punish them when they are not the ones that are violating the law directly.
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Knowing that gambling is banned in Thailand, I think people just wanted to gamble or use their money to bet but it is illegal so they find their ways. I agree that they should just legalized gambling as it is a good source of taxes for them. If they will be really strict with these regulations, they will be taking the hard way dealing with these people.

Legalizing gambling would be the most logical thing to do. The reason is that with internet being available in every nook and corner of the world, banning casinos doesn't make any sense. Gamblers can simply use online casinos and participate in various games using the internet. The only difference here is that the government will lose tax money, which they would have otherwise gained. The rich gamblers can even catch a flight and travel to countries where gambling is legal. The governments need to get out of "banning this, banning that" mentality.

I disagree with the internet as not all of us could use the internet unlike the rich and middle-class people would do. In our province, we are still having a hard time dealing with the internet even with just the signals of our phones. The more they are getting their laws or rules more strict, the better these people would evade them.

Also add the fact that not because it is legal means that it is a good thing to do, and it doesn't make any sense as well that if a Government will do such thing but will not gain any benefit from it. Government needs taxes to sustain the whole country's needs, and they just have to choose which gambling casinos or sites they need to legalized to prevent poverty.

That's why physical casinos are for wealthy people only, for the poor people or even middle class stop entering such gambling world because they can't afford it. However, people still do gamble in their own ways so basically it's just all nonsense if we're not going to cooperate.
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Knowing that gambling is banned in Thailand, I think people just wanted to gamble or use their money to bet but it is illegal so they find their ways. I agree that they should just legalized gambling as it is a good source of taxes for them. If they will be really strict with these regulations, they will be taking the hard way dealing with these people.
Legalizing gambling would be the most logical thing to do. The reason is that with internet being available in every nook and corner of the world, banning casinos doesn't make any sense. Gamblers can simply use online casinos and participate in various games using the internet. The only difference here is that the government will lose tax money, which they would have otherwise gained. The rich gamblers can even catch a flight and travel to countries where gambling is legal. The governments need to get out of "banning this, banning that" mentality.
I disagree with the internet as not all of us could use the internet unlike the rich and middle-class people would do. In our province, we are still having a hard time dealing with the internet even with just the signals of our phones. The more they are getting their laws or rules more strict, the better these people would evade them.
Really? Where are you from?
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Knowing that gambling is banned in Thailand, I think people just wanted to gamble or use their money to bet but it is illegal so they find their ways. I agree that they should just legalized gambling as it is a good source of taxes for them. If they will be really strict with these regulations, they will be taking the hard way dealing with these people.

Legalizing gambling would be the most logical thing to do. The reason is that with internet being available in every nook and corner of the world, banning casinos doesn't make any sense. Gamblers can simply use online casinos and participate in various games using the internet. The only difference here is that the government will lose tax money, which they would have otherwise gained. The rich gamblers can even catch a flight and travel to countries where gambling is legal. The governments need to get out of "banning this, banning that" mentality.

I disagree with the internet as not all of us could use the internet unlike the rich and middle-class people would do. In our province, we are still having a hard time dealing with the internet even with just the signals of our phones. The more they are getting their laws or rules more strict, the better these people would evade them.
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That is because the spread of Covid still high, and there is a new case almost every day which we do not know when it will reduce or stop. Maybe their reason is to reduce the number of infected people playing gambling in one big place and the crowd because that can give a chance to get a new case. People will not know who is healthy and who is infected, and the asymptomatic people will be dangerous for the other people in the crowd. We can hope that every country will concern about this in reducing the new case in their country.

This is surprising, because Thailand is one of the countries where the infection rate is very much under control. The number of new daily cases is in three digits and till now the death rate per million is 1.1 (compared to 1378 in the United States). Thailand is a prime destination for international tourists and I don't think that a majority of them are averse to gambling. When many of the neighboring nations (Cambodia, Laos.etc) are taking steps towards popularizing gambling, Thailand seems to be moving in the opposite direction. This can harm their tourist inflow in the long term.
I think the Thailand government will anticipate that, and they will figure out how to keep their tourist comes to their country. But in this pandemic, maybe it is better to control offline gambling first, especially on the traditional gambling place because I think that will have so many people gather in one place to play the game. If the government succeeds in controlling that, I think they will still allow offline gambling to operate. But for the illegal gambling place, maybe they need to find another way to communicate to the owner.
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Nothing can fix this kind of problems and to be fair, these restrictions does more harm than good. People always do what you want, so none restriction can fully prevent it. What do you think, are most part of people seriously staying at home? People still workout secretly, still offer some services secretly, people still do things that they were doing before secretly. But if we return to the subject of this topic, it's hard for me to believe that people go in underground casinos because nowadays online gambling is highly developed and popular too, there is done everything for customers comfort.

I strongly agree with this.

Illegal gambling sites or even physical ones are hard to be exterminated in the world of legal gambling. Even if you successfully shutdown one illegal gambling site, you should expect that it'll be revive in their backed up domain, so on and so forth. And for the physical ones, locating them would be hard since most of them are always in the underground, and being handle by drug lords, gangs, that has a strong ties inside the police authority or Government, that's why they are untouchable.

The only reason why the Government are trying to shut them down because they are the tax evasive citizens, that earns a lot of money in an illegal way while the Government don't get anything from them but headaches.
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That is because the spread of Covid still high, and there is a new case almost every day which we do not know when it will reduce or stop. Maybe their reason is to reduce the number of infected people playing gambling in one big place and the crowd because that can give a chance to get a new case. People will not know who is healthy and who is infected, and the asymptomatic people will be dangerous for the other people in the crowd. We can hope that every country will concern about this in reducing the new case in their country.

This is surprising, because Thailand is one of the countries where the infection rate is very much under control. The number of new daily cases is in three digits and till now the death rate per million is 1.1 (compared to 1378 in the United States). Thailand is a prime destination for international tourists and I don't think that a majority of them are averse to gambling. When many of the neighboring nations (Cambodia, Laos.etc) are taking steps towards popularizing gambling, Thailand seems to be moving in the opposite direction. This can harm their tourist inflow in the long term.
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Probably, not. They can have the choice not to pay taxes but it was against the law, authorities will pursue you.
Talking about corruption, I don't know if there is someone, a country had left not doing this. They have the reason why they push themselves on the position and that to take advantage of their citizen. And to say about the stoppage of illegal gambling, that could be a hard thing to do, IMO.

If they do not want to pay taxes, they will easily do that, and they do not care. They will break the law. In most countries, corruption is always happening, and I am sure the government is trying to clean the mess even if that is hard to do. The government can stop one illegal gambling place, but the government needs more time to stop the other gambling place, and while they do that, the other new illegal gambling place already launches in the hidden places.
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