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Quote from: Saisher on January 26, 2021, 05:17:30 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on January 26, 2021, 04:56:12 PM

"The national lottery game is a primary game which is played by the Thailand players. Thailand initiates strict laws to play the game. In a recent survey, approximately 70% of the adult populations gamble regularly."[/b]

It hasnt been clarified if women is included into this one though.

With this figure I don't think the Thailand government can curb gambling activities in their country, it's just to high to contain, they will have to allocate a lot of manpower just to to contain gambling and I don't think they can even do that to 50% of the population that is involved in gambling, they should address this issue differently.

It is difficult to curb gambling activities in that country since 70% of the adult population gamble regularly. That means they enjoy playing gambling while they also have a hope to win from the lottery game. If they need to have many human resources, they can open recruitment to people in every city in that country. I think that can also help people who already lost their job before to try to fill the position. It can solve the problem that many people face to make money again by sign in as the employee.

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Quote from: Saisher on January 26, 2021, 05:17:30 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on January 26, 2021, 04:56:12 PM

"The national lottery game is a primary game which is played by the Thailand players. Thailand initiates strict laws to play the game. In a recent survey, approximately 70% of the adult populations gamble regularly."[/b]

It hasnt been clarified if women is included into this one though.

With this figure I don't think the Thailand government can curb gambling activities in their country, it's just to high to contain, they will have to allocate a lot of manpower just to to contain gambling and I don't think they can even do that to 50% of the population that is involved in gambling, they should address this issue differently.

With such amount of people who gamble there are many illegal facilitators that will take the risk of opening their own platforms.
It's tough call for the government to supress this people and like what you have said, if they really planning to succeed with this
action, they needed to add more manpower not just for primary role but also those behind it's a lot of workloads to everyone.

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If they have a mature regulatory framework in place, then sure.

If not, then how are they ever going to enforce a crackdown? The demand for gambling won't just disappear overnight because of a restriction the government put in.

In terms of the motivations, I don't think that this has anything to do with COVID. More likely than not, this is simply a way for the government to assert its control over the industry in order to reap tax revenues, which is fair enough to them - but they obviously need a better sounding reason than that.

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Quote from: Mahanton on January 26, 2021, 04:56:12 PM

"The national lottery game is a primary game which is played by the Thailand players. Thailand initiates strict laws to play the game. In a recent survey, approximately 70% of the adult populations gamble regularly."[/b]

It hasnt been clarified if women is included into this one though.

With this figure I don't think the Thailand government can curb gambling activities in their country, it's just to high to contain, they will have to allocate a lot of manpower just to to contain gambling and I don't think they can even do that to 50% of the population that is involved in gambling, they should address this issue differently.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 26, 2021, 04:28:31 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

Now let's look at some quote taken from google :

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There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

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70 percent of thai adults? Shocked

Wow that's a really high rate! What's your exact source for those figures please?
It implies that most of thaï women are regular gamblers too. That's crazy!

Maybe he do get those figures or percentage on these websites.

https://www.mdgasiapacific.org/gambling-in-thailand/gambling-in-thailand-market/

"The national lottery game is a primary game which is played by the Thailand players. Thailand initiates strict laws to play the game. In a recent survey, approximately 70% of the adult populations gamble regularly."

It hasnt been clarified if women is included into this one though.

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

Now let's look at some quote taken from google :

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There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

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70 percent of thai adults? Shocked

Wow that's a really high rate! What's your exact source for those figures please?
It implies that most of thaï women are regular gamblers too. That's crazy!

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10900/thailand-government-announces-sub-committees-to-combat-illegal-gambling

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There is a lot of gambling in Thailand. An estimated 70 percent of adults gamble regularly, and the total value added involved is huge—possibly over 200 billion baht a year. With some small exceptions, all of this gambling activity is illegal.

Now most of the activities are illegal , so the government would shut down these businesses and at the same time might force some of them to work towards legally starting a new casino , which would be in the favour of the government. Though I don't understand why the revenues is so high ? Since most small businesses won't be able to handle such restrictions.

I do believe that the government with regards to shutting down such business should also think about decreasing the tax revenues for them since most of them are small shop owners and they will continue to do so legally or illegally what matters is how better the government integrates it in the society.

What do you think ?
Should they make reforms before shutting down the whole thing ? I think this could benefit people and the government as a whole.

Regarding the legality of these gambling businesses, only the government of Thailand could decide. Especially during this pandemic.
However, stipulation with regards to the permits and tax required should be done in my opinion, to give way for both businesses and government.
Truly, with the 70% of the adults who gambles, the nation could benefit by taking on its economic benefits like as employment opportunities.

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If what they consider "gambling" are businesses that allow or encourage customers to take big risk then I think it's OK they eliminate gambling altogether. But if the government considers all kinds of bettings as "gambling" then I think they should only allow the Safe Betting Businesses. That will probably mean a massive regulation of the Betting/Prediction Market to reduce or eliminate things that may be harmful to customers and society in general.

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Quote from: michellee on January 26, 2021, 12:22:57 AM

Shut down the illegal gambling will not succeed because there will be much more illegal gambling running in a secret place without the government knows. Maybe the government does not need to shut down the illegal gambling, but they can use another approach to the owner and give an offer that can benefit the owner and the government.

Run into a secret place or not, they'll take them down. Why do you think illegal gambling shouldn't shutdown? The owner should be the one to approach the government.

Not the government approaching and pleasing them to become legal. That's why they are illegal, they're up to something against the law.

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Quote from: coin-investor on January 26, 2021, 05:03:36 AM

They are making money from those arrests instead of taxes if gambling is legal, 50000 arrest is big money for the coffer of the government, but these illegal gambling operators are making more money than the government arrest, somebody out there in the government should recommend making gambling legal this is for the government's additional revenue and also to avoid corruption.

It is very important that you have mentioned corruption in your post because until its level is reduced to a minimum, no combating illegal gambling will have a positive effect. Corruption is an invisible enemy that lives among us and until we conquer it it is very difficult to change something for the better in any country.

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Quote from: iv4n on January 26, 2021, 02:44:35 AM

"Other than horse racing and the lottery, all forms of gambling are illegal under the Thailand Gambling Act of 1935. The penalties range from 500 to 5000 baht (about $15 to $150). ... There are over 50,000 arrests a year for gambling in Thailand."

"National Lottery is the only form of legal gambling that most people in Thailand have access to. This began in 1974. Today drawings are held on first and sixteenth day of every month"

So as you see all gambling games are illegal, so this illegal casinos can't get any licenses... It's not what I thought at first!

They are making money from those arrests instead of taxes if gambling is legal, 50000 arrest is big money for the coffer of the government, but these illegal gambling operators are making more money than the government arrest, somebody out there in the government should recommend making gambling legal this is for the government's additional revenue and also to avoid corruption.

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Quote from: mindrust on January 25, 2021, 01:20:48 PM

Quote from: iv4n on January 25, 2021, 01:05:54 PM

Quote from: mindrust on January 25, 2021, 12:19:01 PM

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What can be illegal about a casino other than missing a gambling license? I don't know.

Well the first thing that comes in my mind are gambling games in illegal casinos! Except traditional games we play (poker and many card games, slots, roulette, all sort of dice games...) maybe they organize betting on some fights (humans or animals...)...

I got more interested in this topic, so I did a little research... I found some interesting stuff!

"Other than horse racing and the lottery, all forms of gambling are illegal under the Thailand Gambling Act of 1935. The penalties range from 500 to 5000 baht (about $15 to $150). ... There are over 50,000 arrests a year for gambling in Thailand."

"National Lottery is the only form of legal gambling that most people in Thailand have access to. This began in 1974. Today drawings are held on first and sixteenth day of every month"

So as you see all gambling games are illegal, so this illegal casinos can't get any licenses... It's not what I thought at first!

Quotes from above are from these two articles: https://www.onlinebetting.com/legal/thailand/ https://www.onlinebetting.com/legal/thailand/lottery/

Articles are connected, and I think both of them worth reading if you wish to check more about gambling in Thailand!

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 23, 2021, 01:37:46 PM

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10900/thailand-government-announces-sub-committees-to-combat-illegal-gambling

I came across this news where the government of Thailand is looking to get a sub committee ready to tackle the illegal gambling in the country.

They do believe that these gambling sites are the ones spreading the COVID more.

It is not only because of Covid that was being spread (In which expenses from the government) and also the loss of taxation that hurts the country most.

Illegal gambling is gaining Too much money without giving what government deserves and also the chances of the People who gambles that experience not fair treatment because they can not report for what is happening inside for this is illegal .

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Shut down the illegal gambling will not succeed because there will be much more illegal gambling running in a secret place without the government knows. Maybe the government does not need to shut down the illegal gambling, but they can use another approach to the owner and give an offer that can benefit the owner and the government.

People come to illegal gambling because they want to make money by using money. That will not be good for them, but the government can not stop that activity because people already know that others can win through gambling. The discussion will be necessary between the government and the owner to solve illegal gambling, and it is better to invite illegal gambling to join with the government. If that can happen, that can be a success story for them. That can be a new way from the government to clean the mess of illegal gambling in their country.

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Quote from: dimonstration on January 25, 2021, 03:14:08 PM

Quote from: iv4n on January 25, 2021, 01:05:54 PM

People will always find a way to bypass those bans, and contra effect is more criminals on the streets, money goes in private pockets!

This will always happen, it may be closed now but after cool down or no more loud issues in them they will be back in business, what worse is sometimes those people behind those illegal casinos are in contact with high official or government officials that's why they don't fear to do their business illegally.being strict with implementation of rules and laws should be push to avoid these illegal activities.

Some people are obviously going to disregard the ban and do their business. But it is going to be risky, and the cops will be having the opportunity with them to blackmail and harass the gamblers. The entire business will be driven underground away from the eyes of the authorities. Mafias will get involved and we may witness increasing incidences of rigging and violence.

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Quote from: iv4n on January 25, 2021, 01:05:54 PM

People will always find a way to bypass those bans, and contra effect is more criminals on the streets, money goes in private pockets!

This will always happen, it may be closed now but after cool down or no more loud issues in them they will be back in business, what worse is sometimes those people behind those illegal casinos are in contact with high official or government officials that's why they don't fear to do their business illegally.being strict with implementation of rules and laws should be push to avoid these illegal activities.

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Quote from: iv4n on January 25, 2021, 01:05:54 PM

Quote from: mindrust on January 25, 2021, 12:19:01 PM

Banning the casinos isn't going to solve anything. If people are willing to lose money they will lose it anyway. Isn't it better to keep the lost money in the country? Because otherwise those people will play on foreign casinos and that money will go to other countries.

If they are looking for a real solution, I advise them to build more schools and raise the teachers' salary.

Well they are talking about illegal casinos... they are illegal! They have plans how to end illegal gambling, but I am not sure if that can be done only by shutting down illegal casinos, they need to create some laws and legalize it... in that way casinos will pay taxes, workers will have all the benefits of a legal job... later those tax money can be used for everything else... you can force casinos to invest some of their profits in the neighborhood they work in!
Banning casinos is not solving anything, like banning drugs! People will always find a way to bypass those bans, and contra effect is more criminals on the streets, money goes in private pockets!

Depending on what is so illegal about them, they could still compromise. If they have no licenses, those casinos could get their licenses in an agreed time frame. I am sure most of them would comply.

Then they can ban the rest.

What can be illegal about a casino other than missing a gambling license? I don't know.

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Quote from: mindrust on January 25, 2021, 12:19:01 PM

Banning the casinos isn't going to solve anything. If people are willing to lose money they will lose it anyway. Isn't it better to keep the lost money in the country? Because otherwise those people will play on foreign casinos and that money will go to other countries.

If they are looking for a real solution, I advise them to build more schools and raise the teachers' salary.

Well they are talking about illegal casinos... they are illegal! They have plans how to end illegal gambling, but I am not sure if that can be done only by shutting down illegal casinos, they need to create some laws and legalize it... in that way casinos will pay taxes, workers will have all the benefits of a legal job... later those tax money can be used for everything else... you can force casinos to invest some of their profits in the neighborhood they work in!
Banning casinos is not solving anything, like banning drugs! People will always find a way to bypass those bans, and contra effect is more criminals on the streets, money goes in private pockets!

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Banning the casinos isn't going to solve anything. If people are willing to lose money they will lose it anyway. Isn't it better to keep the lost money in the country? Because otherwise those people will play on foreign casinos and that money will go to other countries.

If they are looking for a real solution, I advise them to build more schools and raise the teachers' salary.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 24, 2021, 05:48:08 PM

That was too much of thinking. How can you say that if you aren't there and sees the situation?

Thailand's government knows better than us. This isn't a childish discussion. ~

Haha. You are very funny. All countries have the same problems that cannot be solved for decades. Such problems include corruption, organized crime, money laundering, drug trafficking, weapons and illegal gambling.

If you have an example of a country that managed to defeat all these problems, I would love to hear about it.

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