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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 12, 2021, 09:16:24 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on March 12, 2021, 06:16:18 PM

Yes, when the government intervenes in the relations of adults, it always only hurts. If a person is considered mentally healthy, then he is free to decide where and how to spend his money. All these regulations and prohibitions waste taxpayers' resources and squeeze honest citizens into semi-criminal and criminal spheres.

Governments around the world like to show off their power and dominate their citizens by banning anything they don't like. Recently in India, the government has proposed to ban cryptocurrency, giving the flimsiest of the excuses. The reason is that they are afraid that popularity of cryptocurrency will weaken their control of the population. In the third world countries, many of the regimes would like to keep the populations under complete control, and that's when we see bans like the one for gambling which we have seen in Thailand.

Government will do everything behind their power to make sure that they are in full control.

It's always that way, they are keeping their power as they don't want to see that their citizens are doing something behind them, in the case of illegal gambling, it's better to sit upon and find whatever suitable solutions for best benefits by both the government and the people behind this business instead of suppressing why not try to find the proper way to both have compensation in return.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 11, 2021, 10:35:08 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on March 11, 2021, 08:25:24 AM

Yes, they will be hunted down by the government if they don't want to follow what's with the law says about their operation. I've understood why some of them don't want to cooperate and keeps on remaining illegal because of the tax and possible under the table money that the corrupt officials would ask them. Since it is related to gambling, it's not hidden anymore that there really are people who would milk them because they knew it that profits in gambling for the operators are quite good.

If someone is operating an illegal casino despite the ban, then you can assume that he'll be having powerful connections (either with the politicians or with the police officials). Corruption is very prevalent in Asian countries (perhaps with the exception of Japan and Singapore), and Thailand is no different. The only outcome from this ban is going to be the shift of gambling industry from legal or semi-legal sector to the underground sector. The ordinary gamblers will face an increased risk of becoming victims of fraud, and the government will lose valuable tax revenue.

The illegal casino operator having a powerful connection within the politician or police is not what's important footing what the OP said, I think keeping the people safe and also curb the spread of the virus (Covid-19) which is the reason why the Thailand government taking drastic measure to tackle illegal gambling.
Corruption prevalent in Asian countries because their government usually milk themself using the public fund but not in Asia alone it happens in every other country.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 12, 2021, 06:16:18 PM

Yes, when the government intervenes in the relations of adults, it always only hurts. If a person is considered mentally healthy, then he is free to decide where and how to spend his money. All these regulations and prohibitions waste taxpayers' resources and squeeze honest citizens into semi-criminal and criminal spheres.

Governments around the world like to show off their power and dominate their citizens by banning anything they don't like. Recently in India, the government has proposed to ban cryptocurrency, giving the flimsiest of the excuses. The reason is that they are afraid that popularity of cryptocurrency will weaken their control of the population. In the third world countries, many of the regimes would like to keep the populations under complete control, and that's when we see bans like the one for gambling which we have seen in Thailand.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 12, 2021, 06:16:18 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 11, 2021, 10:35:08 PM

If someone is operating an illegal casino despite the ban, then you can assume that he'll be having powerful connections (either with the politicians or with the police officials). Corruption is very prevalent in Asian countries (perhaps with the exception of Japan and Singapore), and Thailand is no different. The only outcome from this ban is going to be the shift of gambling industry from legal or semi-legal sector to the underground sector. The ordinary gamblers will face an increased risk of becoming victims of fraud, and the government will lose valuable tax revenue.

Yes, when the government intervenes in the relations of adults, it always only hurts. If a person is considered mentally healthy, then he is free to decide where and how to spend his money. All these regulations and prohibitions waste taxpayers' resources and squeeze honest citizens into semi-criminal and criminal spheres.

I have to agree that corruption is rampant in most Asian countries.
You can easily bribe these government officials so you can go around the policies.
Their government may want to end this illegal gambling, but there are still officials that can be bribed.
And I don't think, they will be successful in tackling this problem.
They need to clean first the line up of their government officials.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 11, 2021, 10:35:08 PM

If someone is operating an illegal casino despite the ban, then you can assume that he'll be having powerful connections (either with the politicians or with the police officials). Corruption is very prevalent in Asian countries (perhaps with the exception of Japan and Singapore), and Thailand is no different. The only outcome from this ban is going to be the shift of gambling industry from legal or semi-legal sector to the underground sector. The ordinary gamblers will face an increased risk of becoming victims of fraud, and the government will lose valuable tax revenue.

Yes, when the government intervenes in the relations of adults, it always only hurts. If a person is considered mentally healthy, then he is free to decide where and how to spend his money. All these regulations and prohibitions waste taxpayers' resources and squeeze honest citizens into semi-criminal and criminal spheres.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 11, 2021, 10:35:08 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on March 11, 2021, 08:25:24 AM

Yes, they will be hunted down by the government if they don't want to follow what's with the law says about their operation. I've understood why some of them don't want to cooperate and keeps on remaining illegal because of the tax and possible under the table money that the corrupt officials would ask them. Since it is related to gambling, it's not hidden anymore that there really are people who would milk them because they knew it that profits in gambling for the operators are quite good.

If someone is operating an illegal casino despite the ban, then you can assume that he'll be having powerful connections (either with the politicians or with the police officials). Corruption is very prevalent in Asian countries (perhaps with the exception of Japan and Singapore), and Thailand is no different. The only outcome from this ban is going to be the shift of gambling industry from legal or semi-legal sector to the underground sector. The ordinary gamblers will face an increased risk of becoming victims of fraud, and the government will lose valuable tax revenue.

That's already an illegal operation during the ban if they operate and even without the ban if they're not permitted for doing so, that's illegal which will make them pay more what the permission has to be paid. It is the common scene that we know when there are operations keep happening and if people knew that they're illegal and people come and by there, they would really be assumed that they're protected by high position officials.

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Quote from: passwordnow on March 11, 2021, 08:25:24 AM

Yes, they will be hunted down by the government if they don't want to follow what's with the law says about their operation. I've understood why some of them don't want to cooperate and keeps on remaining illegal because of the tax and possible under the table money that the corrupt officials would ask them. Since it is related to gambling, it's not hidden anymore that there really are people who would milk them because they knew it that profits in gambling for the operators are quite good.

If someone is operating an illegal casino despite the ban, then you can assume that he'll be having powerful connections (either with the politicians or with the police officials). Corruption is very prevalent in Asian countries (perhaps with the exception of Japan and Singapore), and Thailand is no different. The only outcome from this ban is going to be the shift of gambling industry from legal or semi-legal sector to the underground sector. The ordinary gamblers will face an increased risk of becoming victims of fraud, and the government will lose valuable tax revenue.

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Quote from: dunfida on March 10, 2021, 06:28:52 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on March 10, 2021, 01:02:13 PM

The government are doing their thing if we're going to talk about their side. But I think both have their own shortcomings in, the other isn't willing to follow.
While the other is doing their thing but not enforcing what they have to enforce. It varies from situation to situation and if they are strict, then that should make the operators stop and not willing cooperate and coordinate with them.

Once government do take out some action then you wont really be having any choice but to follow it or would totally be getting some violation or charges if you do really insist.
They wont really be making such laws or prohibitions if they do saw that it will really be giving out some negative effects.Illegal places do really exist in spite even if the government
of said country do really legalize gambling on where there are business owners will really be trying to evade taxation via means on building those illegal ones.
It is just right that those illegal or not registered will really be hunt down.

Yes, they will be hunted down by the government if they don't want to follow what's with the law says about their operation. I've understood why some of them don't want to cooperate and keeps on remaining illegal because of the tax and possible under the table money that the corrupt officials would ask them. Since it is related to gambling, it's not hidden anymore that there really are people who would milk them because they knew it that profits in gambling for the operators are quite good.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 10, 2021, 09:06:01 PM

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Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

Not only it will be many times more easier they will get some taxes out of gambling which are so needed during this time, due to the pandemic and the economic effects that it brought governments are facing a lot of trouble, they should not be wasting their time trying to apply such restrictions especially against a hobby like gambling that is enjoyed by the majority of people without any repercussions, and for the few that suffer from a gambling disorder they can use part of the money they get in taxes to help them to overcome those problems.

If our business is legal, we don't have to worry about the government because they will protect us from the corrupt officials who want to ask for the "security money." By having legal gambling, it can also help the government get additional income to help the country's economy, which can also help all people in this pandemic. But still, it is hard to eliminate illegal gambling because many people are not telling the officials where that place is. They don't want to tell because they can bond with the government's regulation, and they need to pay the taxes. The owner of illegal gambling doesn't want to pay on that taxes, so they don't want to cooperate with the government and hide their business.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 10, 2021, 09:06:01 PM

Not only it will be many times more easier they will get some taxes out of gambling which are so needed during this time, due to the pandemic and the economic effects that it brought governments are facing a lot of trouble, they should not be wasting their time trying to apply such restrictions especially against a hobby like gambling that is enjoyed by the majority of people without any repercussions, and for the few that suffer from a gambling disorder they can use part of the money they get in taxes to help them to overcome those problems.

Here in India, the government has increased the taxes on alcohol. But no one seems to be having a problem with it, and most of us understand that the government revenues have gone down during the pandemic period and they need to increase the taxes. But in Thailand, the situation is different. They are using the pandemic as an excuse to further clamp down on the gambling industry. I am afraid that they are going in the wrong direction and this move will have just the opposite effect than what it is intended to bring.

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Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

Not only it will be many times more easier they will get some taxes out of gambling which are so needed during this time, due to the pandemic and the economic effects that it brought governments are facing a lot of trouble, they should not be wasting their time trying to apply such restrictions especially against a hobby like gambling that is enjoyed by the majority of people without any repercussions, and for the few that suffer from a gambling disorder they can use part of the money they get in taxes to help them to overcome those problems.

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Quote from: dunfida on March 10, 2021, 06:28:52 PM

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Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

They can make it legal but if those operators are not willing to follow such laws, they have no choice but to hide and be in the chase because of being declared as illegal activity.
Also, the country or the place if there's a certain locale rule about gambling, even if they want to become legal, that will stop them from being legal if it's related to religious or traditional setup. In that way, they have to find a better place where they're welcomed.

These illegal operators will be very confident if they know the government has struggle in cracking down illegal gambling operators. It should start from the government or the regulators itself, if they showed their strict implementation, then those running illegal casinos will hesitate as they might face a serious consequences.

The government are doing their thing if we're going to talk about their side. But I think both have their own shortcomings in, the other isn't willing to follow.
While the other is doing their thing but not enforcing what they have to enforce. It varies from situation to situation and if they are strict, then that should make the operators stop and not willing cooperate and coordinate with them.

Once government do take out some action then you wont really be having any choice but to follow it or would totally be getting some violation or charges if you do really insist.
They wont really be making such laws or prohibitions if they do saw that it will really be giving out some negative effects.Illegal places do really exist in spite even if the government
of said country do really legalize gambling on where there are business owners will really be trying to evade taxation via means on building those illegal ones.
It is just right that those illegal or not registered will really be hunt down.

Better follow the government's regulations, else, forget to have gambling business. You are right, if you don't want to hide and run, just follow what is needed to legalized your business. It is tiring if you are always on the run. The government just want to get what is right as you also want to earn a living. You can also operate better if you know no one is after you.

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Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

They can make it legal but if those operators are not willing to follow such laws, they have no choice but to hide and be in the chase because of being declared as illegal activity.
Also, the country or the place if there's a certain locale rule about gambling, even if they want to become legal, that will stop them from being legal if it's related to religious or traditional setup. In that way, they have to find a better place where they're welcomed.

These illegal operators will be very confident if they know the government has struggle in cracking down illegal gambling operators. It should start from the government or the regulators itself, if they showed their strict implementation, then those running illegal casinos will hesitate as they might face a serious consequences.

The government are doing their thing if we're going to talk about their side. But I think both have their own shortcomings in, the other isn't willing to follow.
While the other is doing their thing but not enforcing what they have to enforce. It varies from situation to situation and if they are strict, then that should make the operators stop and not willing cooperate and coordinate with them.

Once government do take out some action then you wont really be having any choice but to follow it or would totally be getting some violation or charges if you do really insist.
They wont really be making such laws or prohibitions if they do saw that it will really be giving out some negative effects.Illegal places do really exist in spite even if the government
of said country do really legalize gambling on where there are business owners will really be trying to evade taxation via means on building those illegal ones.
It is just right that those illegal or not registered will really be hunt down.

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Quote from: Natalim on March 09, 2021, 05:52:58 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on March 09, 2021, 01:49:47 PM

Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

They can make it legal but if those operators are not willing to follow such laws, they have no choice but to hide and be in the chase because of being declared as illegal activity.
Also, the country or the place if there's a certain locale rule about gambling, even if they want to become legal, that will stop them from being legal if it's related to religious or traditional setup. In that way, they have to find a better place where they're welcomed.

These illegal operators will be very confident if they know the government has struggle in cracking down illegal gambling operators. It should start from the government or the regulators itself, if they showed their strict implementation, then those running illegal casinos will hesitate as they might face a serious consequences.

The government are doing their thing if we're going to talk about their side. But I think both have their own shortcomings in, the other isn't willing to follow.
While the other is doing their thing but not enforcing what they have to enforce. It varies from situation to situation and if they are strict, then that should make the operators stop and not willing cooperate and coordinate with them.

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Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

They can make it legal but if those operators are not willing to follow such laws, they have no choice but to hide and be in the chase because of being declared as illegal activity.
Also, the country or the place if there's a certain locale rule about gambling, even if they want to become legal, that will stop them from being legal if it's related to religious or traditional setup. In that way, they have to find a better place where they're welcomed.

These illegal operators will be very confident if they know the government has struggle in cracking down illegal gambling operators. It should start from the government or the regulators itself, if they showed their strict implementation, then those running illegal casinos will hesitate as they might face a serious consequences.

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Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

They can make it legal but if those operators are not willing to follow such laws, they have no choice but to hide and be in the chase because of being declared as illegal activity.
Also, the country or the place if there's a certain locale rule about gambling, even if they want to become legal, that will stop them from being legal if it's related to religious or traditional setup. In that way, they have to find a better place where they're welcomed.

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Or he can use the third service to help them convert their bitcoin easily, so they can use that money for whatever they want. Maybe that will not be easy for them, but I think they will search for the right answer by getting information from the internet. With the internet's help, I am sure before they travel to the other country, they will make sure that they have enough information about the destination country so they will not get into trouble while they stay.

Most of the third party services require KYC, and that is a massive handicap when you go against the law. One option is to go for virtual prepaid debit cards such as Ezzocard, if you want to convert your coins to cash. They require no KYC, up to a certain limit and may be more attractive than dealing with unknown traders in various P2P platforms. Anyway, in the end the gambler will chose the option which looks the most convenient and safe.

It's the gamblers who will choose among those available channels to where they'll want to convert their money, those options that being provided are all considerable.

But in the end, the gambler itself will find suitalbel exchange that he saw he's comfort, KYC though interfere with gamblers who
love to keep their privacy, if there's kind of service though limitations are always required by every government jurisdictions,
considering p2p if taking such risk is very easy to convert your hold cryptos.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 09, 2021, 05:19:48 AM

^^^ You need to stop mixing religion in to this. Oriental religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism are much older than Semitic religions such as Christianity and Islam. But at the same time, they are much more progressive when compared to the Semitic religions. Take the case of countries such as Indonesia, Philippines, Afghanistan and Iran. They became less progressive when the religion was changed from oriental to semitic.

Buddhism as such as no restriction against gambling, alcohol, porn or prostitution. If you compare countries such as Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos with Philippines and Malaysia, it becomes clear. If countries such as Thailand and Japan are trying to ban any of these sectors, then I would say that it is due to the Western influence. Because Asian countries have absorbed both good and bad from the Western culture.

I think the west is very divided on this matter. Mostly protestants are against gambling, but in catholic religion I can see it's not totally frowned up, because there are local communities which make saints' parties yearly where one of the main activities is the bingo game rewarding prizes which were donated prviously to those who play. In exchange, the money goes to the catholic church.
In fact Islamic countries seems much more strict about gambling than western countries and I think their influence affects countries like India and Pakistan.

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^^^ You need to stop mixing religion in to this. Oriental religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism are much older than Semitic religions such as Christianity and Islam. But at the same time, they are much more progressive when compared to the Semitic religions. Take the case of countries such as Indonesia, Philippines, Afghanistan and Iran. They became less progressive when the religion was changed from oriental to semitic.

Buddhism as such as no restriction against gambling, alcohol, porn or prostitution. If you compare countries such as Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos with Philippines and Malaysia, it becomes clear. If countries such as Thailand and Japan are trying to ban any of these sectors, then I would say that it is due to the Western influence. Because Asian countries have absorbed both good and bad from the Western culture.

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Quote from: coin.princess on March 07, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

Would be much easier just to make gambling legal, that way you will avoid all the illegal gambling problems and you have more supervision.
You will also avoid money laundering that way.

I think most problem is people in Buddhism religion are anti this solution.

May be not pass Public hearing from Buddhism anti

See just company sell alcohol drink like Thai Beverage move to trade on stock market at Singapore because people in Buddhism religion are anti
Why Buddhism not anti same

How can make people in Buddhism religion accept this gambling legal, Think, How solution.? please advice? how make them all agree with?
they don't understand just believe and anti.
85-95% Buddhism in Thailand.

People become government may be want to make it legal because all are business man
political still talk about casino or entertainment complex already
most business man are agree with gambling legal idea.
(I agree too) new generation people still fine with gambling legal

How to process without anti? (from both Buddhism and old fashion people)

Think easy but real world very hard.

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