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Online gambling is banned in thailand the government does not issue any licenses that allow operator VAT sites to gamble online in thailand. In reality the country has never considered such a possibility as worldly forms of gambling are generally banned despite the ban local players enjoy foreign services there are many online gambling sites that take thai players, although a few of them are available in thai. At the same time the ministry of information and communication technology periodically tries to control the situation these will be banned if the government imposes taxes on them.

This has been happening in different countries such as Cambodia. As for me, the government couldn't stop people from gambling and countries with gambling restrictions would only make their people commit underground businesses and illegal gambling just to pursue the things that they want. That's actually one of the reasons why some gamblers travel to other countries just to play freely.

Also, a good reason to rule it again and try what would be the best thing to do.

Considering what are the potential benefits that the government may gain if they'll try to work it out, there are positive and negative
effects but balancing it in favor of the people, taxes that will be implemented is really huge and with the pandemic, it can help a lot
in terms of financial usages.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 04, 2021, 12:39:02 AM

Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.

But, the money was never going to the government from these illegal sites and bookies anyway so the best they can do is just try and ban all the illegal stuff that happens.

I don't understand one thing honestly. How do gamblers actually cash their winnings. I understand they might make bets and win money in BTC let's say and withdraw without any problems from the casino. But once they cash the BTC for fiat, they will have to answer from where they got this money and have to pay taxes on them. So how do these guys avoid them always confuses me.

Even if they take the PayPal route by converting their BTC into Paypal and withdrawing to the bank, then still the money comes to the bank at the end of the day and you have to pay taxes and answer the tax authorities about how you earned it.

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Quote from: Xinarae* on March 03, 2021, 11:46:03 PM

Online gambling is banned in thailand the government does not issue any licenses that allow operator VAT sites to gamble online in thailand. In reality the country has never considered such a possibility as worldly forms of gambling are generally banned despite the ban local players enjoy foreign services there are many online gambling sites that take thai players, although a few of them are available in thai. At the same time the ministry of information and communication technology periodically tries to control the situation these will be banned if the government imposes taxes on them.

This has been happening in different countries such as Cambodia. As for me, the government couldn't stop people from gambling and countries with gambling restrictions would only make their people commit underground businesses and illegal gambling just to pursue the things that they want. That's actually one of the reasons why some gamblers travel to other countries just to play freely.

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Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.

And I forgot the angle of corruption when it comes to this kind of things, this underground businesses are proliferating despite authorities cracking down these businesses because corrupt politicians and police chiefs are on the payroll of this illegal business which in turn gives protection from crack downs. The addition of violence is the worst thing that can happen for these underground businesses, innocents are caught in the crossfire and the taxes that could have been taken from this businesses if they were legitimate could have make bigger projects.

How can this be stopped when it is the reality of Life in government? Imagine you only need to "Do Nothing" and then you'll be in payroll with the amount you cannot earn for whole year but this syndicate will pay you for just a month of keeping silent and nothing to act?
this is why in every government there will always be a Crook , i have seen government in my own eyes and yes , there will always be someone that will accept under the table money , and they will never end .

Not everytime is happy day with those scalawags officials and there corruption into that area will be busted once the official won in the election have will power to stop any illegalities especially on the gambling side. Although it's hard for to fight this scenery since they make this as normal activity but once there are leaks that will lead to pointing the corrupt official and other practices for sure this activities will be lessen in future.

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Quote from: Reatim on March 04, 2021, 04:04:04 AM

How can this be stopped when it is the reality of Life in government? Imagine you only need to "Do Nothing" and then you'll be in payroll with the amount you cannot earn for whole year but this syndicate will pay you for just a month of keeping silent and nothing to act?
this is why in every government there will always be a Crook , i have seen government in my own eyes and yes , there will always be someone that will accept under the table money , and they will never end .

That's how the things work. In India, many years back the government increased the excise duty on gold imports. The irony was that the increase was not done in order to boost the tax revenues, but to help the smuggling gangs. Smugglers usually purchase gold from UAE and then smuggle it to India. For every 1 kg of gold, they receive profits of around $7,000. There were rumors that a part of this profits end up with the government ministers, just to make sure that the high level of excise duty is maintained. Anyway, this year the duty was reduced from 12% to 8% and there seems to be a decline in smuggling. The same happens with gambling as well. For the cops and the politicians, it is beneficial to ban gambling. Then they can demand bribes from those who operate the illegal casinos.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on March 04, 2021, 01:30:28 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 04, 2021, 12:39:02 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on March 04, 2021, 12:00:24 AM

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Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.

And I forgot the angle of corruption when it comes to this kind of things, this underground businesses are proliferating despite authorities cracking down these businesses because corrupt politicians and police chiefs are on the payroll of this illegal business which in turn gives protection from crack downs. The addition of violence is the worst thing that can happen for these underground businesses, innocents are caught in the crossfire and the taxes that could have been taken from this businesses if they were legitimate could have make bigger projects.

How can this be stopped when it is the reality of Life in government? Imagine you only need to "Do Nothing" and then you'll be in payroll with the amount you cannot earn for whole year but this syndicate will pay you for just a month of keeping silent and nothing to act?
this is why in every government there will always be a Crook , i have seen government in my own eyes and yes , there will always be someone that will accept under the table money , and they will never end .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 04, 2021, 12:39:02 AM

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Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.

And I forgot the angle of corruption when it comes to this kind of things, this underground businesses are proliferating despite authorities cracking down these businesses because corrupt politicians and police chiefs are on the payroll of this illegal business which in turn gives protection from crack downs. The addition of violence is the worst thing that can happen for these underground businesses, innocents are caught in the crossfire and the taxes that could have been taken from this businesses if they were legitimate could have make bigger projects.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on March 04, 2021, 12:00:24 AM

The steps they are going to take is going to be the same as any other country did with their illegal gambling problem, implement it full throttle for around half a year and then it will just subside and the implementation will be completely forgotten and the illegal gambling will pop-up again. The problem with illegal gambling is that those businesses do not pay any taxes so government will go for them because they needed that tax so badly and some other reasons for making gambling illegal is religion or morals of that country..

Yeah.. the same thing is happening here as well.. Governments ban whatever they don't like, but the demand is still there. So the business just moves underground, away from the surveillance of the authorities. And once it moves underground, the criminal gangs get involved and there will be competition and violence between various groups for dominance. Anyway, one thing is certain. Whatever profits are generated from this, none of it will end up with the government.

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Quote from: adzino on March 01, 2021, 02:24:50 AM

So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

The steps they are going to take is going to be the same as any other country did with their illegal gambling problem, implement it full throttle for around half a year and then it will just subside and the implementation will be completely forgotten and the illegal gambling will pop-up again. The problem with illegal gambling is that those businesses do not pay any taxes so government will go for them because they needed that tax so badly and some other reasons for making gambling illegal is religion or morals of that country..

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Online gambling is banned in thailand the government does not issue any licenses that allow operator VAT sites to gamble online in thailand. In reality the country has never considered such a possibility as worldly forms of gambling are generally banned despite the ban local players enjoy foreign services there are many online gambling sites that take thai players, although a few of them are available in thai. At the same time the ministry of information and communication technology periodically tries to control the situation these will be banned if the government imposes taxes on them.

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Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

The problem with governments is that it is headed by politicians and bureaucrats who are in their 60s and 70s and they don't have an idea about how modern technology works. They still believe in the old fashioned way, where they would like to ban anything that they don't like. I hope they will soon realize that things have changed. Intelligent governments, such as those in the EU/US have realized that they can't ban gambling, porn.etc and have moved towards regulation. Only the third world countries are still living in denial.

I agree this is a generational problem, politicians and the laws for the most part are always behind the times, however new technologies are coming so fast that a delay of just a few years is now the equivalent of a decade, gambling is here to stay and it is going nowhere, politicians may like their citizens to not participate in the activity but this is not the reality they are facing, so instead of forbidding it they should think about how to make the best of this situation and it is obvious to me regulation is the way to go, as this will protect people by regulating the casinos, casinos will not have to hide their activities anymore and will be protected by the laws as well and taxes will come to the government, this is an scenario in which everyone wins and yet they do not see it this way.

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Quote from: Ewox on March 01, 2021, 12:23:48 AM

I think what they should do is to try to look for other alternatives for people to get back into their business so both the government and the citizens of Thailand will strive due to the cause of Covid. I think the main reason people go for illegal gambling it’s because it is easier for them to earn just as much as it is easier for them to lose their money as well. I also don’t think illegal gambling will ever stop for as long as people find ways to gamble, like just by using your phone and etc.

In illegal gambling, people do not have many regulations as in legal gambling. They are playing gambling in that place because maybe the Thailand government still close the legal casino or limit the player who can come and playing gambling. But no matter if that is a legal casino or an illegal casino, their chance to lose their money will be the same, and they can lose bigger in the illegal casino because they can forget their time to playing gambling.

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Quote from: mirakal on March 01, 2021, 08:33:28 AM

Since we are talking about the taxes, so this means that the government are only concern on taxes they could possible collect if casinos are legally operating? The fact that there's a lot of illegal casinos, that means the government is not so strict in implementing their rules, not only they are losing tax revenue but it also affect the standard of living of the people who can be addicted easily as gambling are not being limited.

In third world countries, the biggest obstacle for legalizing alcohol, gambling, porn, weed, prostitution.etc comes from the religious bodies. Ideally religion should be kept out of politics, but in many of the developing nations that is not the case. Even if the government realize that there is benefit in legalizing and regulating these sectors, they can't do much about it due to the opposition from the religious bodies. A good example is that of the Philippines. The government can't even implement family planning measures, because the Roman Catholic church opposes it.

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Quote from: adzino on March 01, 2021, 02:24:50 AM

So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

In the US, they have states where gambling is legal (such as Nevada) and some state where it is illegal (such as Utah and Texas). Those who want to gamble just travel to Nevada and visit the casinos there. Or they need to visit the casinos which are located in various Indian reservations (which are not under federal law). The advantage here is that all the gambling revenue stays within the country. What happens in Thailand is that the citizens either need to depend upon illegal casinos, or they need to travel to countries such as Singapore. The government loses tax revenue from the casinos.

Since we are talking about the taxes, so this means that the government are only concern on taxes they could possible collect if casinos are legally operating? The fact that there's a lot of illegal casinos, that means the government is not so strict in implementing their rules, not only they are losing tax revenue but it also affect the standard of living of the people who can be addicted easily as gambling are not being limited.

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Quote from: adzino on March 01, 2021, 02:24:50 AM

So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

In the US, they have states where gambling is legal (such as Nevada) and some state where it is illegal (such as Utah and Texas). Those who want to gamble just travel to Nevada and visit the casinos there. Or they need to visit the casinos which are located in various Indian reservations (which are not under federal law). The advantage here is that all the gambling revenue stays within the country. What happens in Thailand is that the citizens either need to depend upon illegal casinos, or they need to travel to countries such as Singapore. The government loses tax revenue from the casinos.

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So what are the steps the government of Thailand are taking to "tackle" this illegal gambling problem? I have seen countries where illegal gambling is widely practiced just because of how the government handles the gambling scenario. They make gambling illegal (but why? As long as an adult is gambling, what's wrong with that? Adults can take their own decision and are grownup that knows that actions has consequences) or heavily regulated making it impossible to get license. Hence underground casinos are the only option left for them.
Maybe they should try easing gambling law?

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Quote from: Silberman on February 28, 2021, 10:34:33 PM

Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

The problem with governments is that it is headed by politicians and bureaucrats who are in their 60s and 70s and they don't have an idea about how modern technology works. They still believe in the old fashioned way, where they would like to ban anything that they don't like. I hope they will soon realize that things have changed. Intelligent governments, such as those in the EU/US have realized that they can't ban gambling, porn.etc and have moved towards regulation. Only the third world countries are still living in denial.

Imagine how good the government if those who are running it have much fresher mindsets.

Younger generations who can adopt on what's happening around, it's really applicable since there are many rulings that supposed to have
better solutions. Gambling does have lots of channels, combatting against those who illegally facilitates those kinds of activities
is tough since there are so many ways to continue doing it without a trace, allowing it is not totally joining but finding much right
for the best interest of two parties.

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I think what they should do is to try to look for other alternatives for people to get back into their business so both the government and the citizens of Thailand will strive due to the cause of Covid. I think the main reason people go for illegal gambling it’s because it is easier for them to earn just as much as it is easier for them to lose their money as well. I also don’t think illegal gambling will ever stop for as long as people find ways to gamble, like just by using your phone and etc.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 28, 2021, 10:34:33 PM

Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

The problem with governments is that it is headed by politicians and bureaucrats who are in their 60s and 70s and they don't have an idea about how modern technology works. They still believe in the old fashioned way, where they would like to ban anything that they don't like. I hope they will soon realize that things have changed. Intelligent governments, such as those in the EU/US have realized that they can't ban gambling, porn.etc and have moved towards regulation. Only the third world countries are still living in denial.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 24, 2021, 10:25:10 PM

Which shows a lack of understanding about human nature, it is impossible to stop people from gambling and any kind of prohibition will just create black markets in which people are simply going to be scammed or be abused, if they instead legalize the industry not only they can obtain taxes out of it but they can also protect their players, to me this shows very clearly that it is way better to regulate a market than it is to prohibit it which is what they are trying to do.

Anything which is under prohibition attracts a lot of curiosity and the people are more drawn in to it. Ideally they should make the gambling industry legal and regulate it. Also, prohibitions don't work nowadays, when the industry is perfectly legal in neighboring countries. The Thai citizens can just travel to the neighboring nations and visit the casinos which are operating there. Now the only losers are the Thai government, who will lose out of the tax revenues from the casinos and job creation.

Exactly, prohibitions towards gambling could have worked decades ago but when you can gamble from your smartphone in a casino that is located in another country or in a cryptocurrency casino then prohibiting gambling does not make sense, can you imagine the money the government will have to sped to try to make people comply with such law? It is way better to allow it and regulate it, that way governments get taxes out of the industry and they can use part of that money to create campaigns so people can gamble responsibly, to me that seems like the best option but it seems the government of Thailand does not agree.

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