Topic: 🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈 - page 83. (Read 57854 times)

I'd like to see this study, sounds interesting.  That said, I can guarantee this study doesn't have anything to do with brain injuries and CTE, which is the real issue here.  I could certainly see kids not playing tackle for their youth then all of a sudden playing tackle and getting hurt as their body isn't used to it, but the brain is an entirely different thing.  There's no amount of brain damage that's good, or prepares you for further brain blows.  So again for me, it's all about brain injuries and mental health, not so much all the other stuff ( though I fucked up my back playing football when I was 14 and it's still fucked up from doing so).



So right now it states South Park has 112.00pts and Hueristic 78.30, the projected points state 131.52 vs 115.58, respectively... however the projected points aren't correct (I've seen this in other leagues as well.  For some reason yahoo is not correctly adding them up).  The project points should be 121.59 SP versus 108.3 Hueristic. 

This is a tough one.  In all liklihood South Park was going to walk away with the win, but it's certainly possible Hueristic could have come back. 

It does not look like this game will be made up at all.

In another league I'm in it was just conceded as the points that were in were in.  Other leagues were blowouts they just ended it with no drama.  The difficult part for ff leagues is when I player is only marginally losing and has superstars yet to field, Diggs, chase, burrow, etc.  Definitely a wierd way to end the ff season for sure.  Glad to hear the kid is awake and holding his families hands that's a great sign.

Damar Hamlin is showing good progress on his recovery, which is great news as some of us feared the worst, and is now awake and even communicating in writing, and while he still has a long road ahead of him it seems he is headed in the right direction.

Source: https://sports.yahoo.com/damar-hamlins-doctors-say-hes-making-substantial-progress-beginning-to-awaken-after-on-field-collapse-160636238.html

Edit: somehow I posted the wrong link, sorry about that.


I think it is about time we talk about this, if the game between the Bengals and the Bills is played then there is no issue and whoever scores the most points is the champion.

But what to do if the game is canceled? Which by the way seems as the most likely scenario at the moment, one option would be to take the posture yahoo is taking and accept it as is and move on, and in that case the Q/Cows will get the win.

However while I am not an expert on law practice, there is a concept called an act of god, which allows for a party to not be held responsible for their inability to fulfill their contract obligations due to extraordinary circumstances, so our informal social contract which can be roughly described as 'a group of NFL fans that agreed to compete on a weekly basis by selecting players to try and see who is the best among them during the 2022 football season' cannot be fulfilled anymore if the game is not played, using this reasoning I would have no problem splitting the money with Hueristic in half and declare two champions or no champion at all.

But this is not for me to decide so I am interested in hearing the opinion of the rest of the members of the league about this.

Bills are still scheduled to play the Pats on Sunday as well -- there's no way that game will happen though, right?

My final FFL game against Taco Corpse has been put on hiatus because of this. How will we know who came in 5th and 6th place??


I tend to do a bit better picking end-of-season games based on my theory that teams that need a win to make the playoffs will find ways to get extra points to secure that win. On that premise I put small bets on Seahawks to cover -6 against the Rams and Dolphins to beat Jets moneyline. Of the two bets I feel a bit more confident about Seattle.


Update: Oh great it turns out my 4 players simply forfeited. Boooooo. This is corruption, an outrage, get Mr. Yahoo! on the line cuz, this aggression will not stand, etc.

Sorry I didn't see that, I should have checked.  No worries here, as long as you guys are okay waiting. 

It looks like Saturday's and Sunday's games are still on the schedule, but I don't see any indication of whether the Bills and Bangles game will be resumed.

https://sports.yahoo.com/week-17-18-fantasy-football-status-updates-011003705.html

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There's actually a good argument against this;  I don't recall when or where I read it, but many years ago there was a study about injuries in football, and it suggested that high school and college football players that didn't play tackle football in Little League or didn't play tackle football in Jr. High were more prone to injuries than the ones who had been playing throughout their childhoods.  Obviously the intentions are good, but often times when people meddle with things they don't understand it only makes things worse.

Well, it looks like Yahoo has made the final decision for our league:  Congrats to our Champion South Park, and our 2nd place Hueristic.

When ever you guys have a chance, PM me your addresses and I'll send you the loot.

I'm certainly not a conservative right winger (nor am I a left wing socialist) but I do agree that it's pretty hard to get decent information when it comes to Covid stuff, hell lets be honest any news is difficult to get these days that isn't completely and entirely biased based on which side of the aisle the news outlet follows.  That said I think it's a far stretch to include what happened to Damar in vaccine conspiracy's.  

Hopefully Damar's health comes back and they are able to lay everything out exactly as it went down ( if that's even possible ).


So you guys going through fantasy football withdraw already too ?? lol.  I can't believe it's over.  Feels like we just drafted.



Yeah I'm not sure how this could all play out but something needs to happen.  I had no business play tackle football in 6th, 7th and 8th grade.  As a running back I was getting mini-concussions pretty much every single practice and game and multiple times each practice and game.  That's scary.  The guy who discovered CTE said something like just three years of youth football increases once chance of suicide by like 40% ( or something very high like that).  Maybe it's flag until you get to Jr and Sr year in high school, that could be a decent start?

This would be the most sensible choice, however so much money moves at the college level that it is difficult for me to see how this transition could play out, but at some point it has to happen as underage football players should have no business hitting each other at full speed when their bodies are still developing, and while the ability the body has to recover at that age is incredible, at the same time injuries slowly begin to accumulate, so it would be preferable this process started as late as possible, now it would be optimal if this process never started at all but on sports like football or boxing this is inevitable.

Yeah I literally stopped reading anything that says vaccination on it and tied to a situation.  It's so politically charged its annoying at this point.  It would be nice if there was just good old reporting without biased but those days are long gone.  I honestly can say I don't even know what is happening in terms of covid/vaccinations at this point I stopped reading, too much garbage to sift through.

And yes boy looks like he is on the right side of recovery for today so that's a good thing.  If anything I hope this leads to are protective game for the kids high-school and younger.  Those are the most vulnerable in the sport.

I'm not suggesting that anyone here is shaming anyone else, just speaking generically.  It does seem like it's rather difficult to get decenting opinions from experts through the normal media channels and on social media.  Anyone who isn't fully on board with the vaccination recommendations is dismissed as a conspiracy nut.  I may be or may not be a conservative, a conspiracy nut, a right wing zealot...  but all I'm asking for is information that isn't politically tainted.  This is a health issue, not a political issue, but it seems impossible to find information that isn't filtered through some political agenda.

Anyway, on a positive note, today's reports about Damar Hamlin's condition suggest he's improving.  That's the most important thing right now.

No is covid shaming anyone here?  Is there the typical twitter fight between both sides of this discussion haven't really been on social to see what gross things people are saying about this. 

I've heard reports that suggest a significant increase cardiac arrests among young male athletes who've recently been vaccinated.  One particular cardiologist, Peter McCullough has been talking about this for quite some time, but finding information through the usual channels is hit and miss.  There're are plenty of news sights that post articles picking his theories apart without actually mentioning what his theories are, but very few that a seem willing to discuss his concerns without bias.  Here's one relatively neutral article:

https://survivalmagazine.org/news/wellness-company-headed-by-dr-peter-mccullough-requests-to-release-damar-hamlins-vaccine-status-as-part-of-any-investigation-into-this-tragedy/

The unfortunate truth is we don't know if this was a result of the vaccine, covid, or something completely unrelated.  We've been hearing for well over a year now that there's a high risk of myocarditis in young men resulting from the vaccine.  We've also been told that it's temporary.  I don't know if Damar Hamlin was vaccinated recently, but it's certainly not wrong to have the discussion.  As a father of a 21yo son who's physically active, it's something I find rather concerning and so is the effort to shame me for being concerned.

Cardiac arrest wasn't from the vaccine, I mean cmon.  It's clear he wasn't just walking down the street and collapsed.  It was sport/hit induced.  This honestly in the grand scheme of things won't do nothing to the nfl.  It will go on just like it always has.  That's not being insensitive it's just the truth of the matter.  Too much money involved to change anything too drastic.  They should start limiting kids tackle football more though. 

So, he's alive, in critical condition -- which is not good, but better than the worst case scenario that seemed to be playing out at this time yesterday. And they say it was indeed cardiac arrest. He is intubated and has blood in his lungs, cannot breathe on his own for the moment.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/damar-hamlin-collapse-bills-bengals-game-intl-hnk/index.html

It does seem like a pre-existing heart condition was aggravated, and TBH I'm kind of surprised this kind of thing doesn't happen more often. I think the NFL does go out of their way to identify as many potential health factors as possible before allowing a rookie to participate in the NFL.

As we saw with Tua, that might not always be the case for a star player that carries a lot of a team's ticket sales on their back.

But generally speaking I don't see much changing in the way of protocol after this event.

I read some speculations in social media that say the tackle was not very strong and Hamlin might have an undiagnosed medical condition already before this. Others speculated that it might be the effects of the vaccines for the coronavirus hehehe. I shook my head, however, how can we really know it is not?

In any case, what does this imply for the NFL?

I feel the same way, I feel a bit guilty being a fan.  The truth is it's just so bad for you to play, and if I ever had kids who had the opportunity to play, I'm not letting them.  This is why I think it needs to be shifted to flag football or some variation of that until they reach college.  I don't know how this will work, but I just don't think there will be any other choice.  There's a local kid here where I live who got hurt playing football, same thing cardiac arrest and had to be on life support for some time.

Yeah word is the game will not be made up.  Weird way for a lot of fantasy seasons to end (not that that matters).

This reminds me of the case of Al Lucas which died on 2005 while playing at the AFL after making a tackle, he was hit on the head and not the chest as it is the case of Damar Hamlin, but still the similarities are striking, however I just hope we have a different ending this time and the kid can recover and have a good quality of life after this.

This is the kind of thing that makes me guilty to be a football fan.  I hate seeing these young kids getting hurt to the point we just witnessed.  Imagine if you're that kid's parent!  What a horrible thing to have to go through.  

Watching the replay he didn't seem to have hit his head or anything.  He made a tackle, then got up before collapsing.  Later they said he needed CPR while on the field.  I'm no doctor, but if I had to guess it makes me think it was something cardiovascular related.

They just made a statement saying the game has been postponed, so I imagine it'll be rescheduled.  

Game officially postponed... I turned it on right after Hamlin collapsed to the field, all the Bills were praying as the ambulance drove off the field. Sad.