Psychology is the root of all political systems. People imposing their view of the world onto the world. Sociopaths view people as tools to be controlled without empathy for them as humans or the ability to universalize experiences to all of humanity. The expression of this in political terms is that they become political leaders who attempt to manage the society. This is the broad definition that is being used as fascism in this conversation.
I would be very interested to wonder if augustocroppo has analyzed his own psychology to realize the lens he is looking through to see the world and the resulting impositions he places on others in order to fulfill his own psychological needs. Self knowledge is the cure for irrationality. Appeals to authority are not valid measures of truth.
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Now, could you explain how ponerolgy, pathocracy and a quote from a fictional story supports your stupid analogy?
Yes. But I won't. Because I don't owe you that. In fact, responding to this is more than you are owed.
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“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)”
– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert
– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert
By the way, did you realize where the head quote come from?
http://www.nightsolo.net/dune/chapterhouse.html
Of course they do. But where roses exist inside a garden, they are the centerpiece (leadership, in our analogy), or often the entire theme of the garden (the entire power structure, in our example). You can have a garden without roses, but the temptation to add a rosebush is constant (Fascistic governments attract sociopaths), and once you have one rosebush, you're well on your way to having a rose garden (sociopaths tend to take over any fascistic power structure they are introduced to).
So the analogy is not only valid, it's damn near perfect.
So the analogy is not only valid, it's damn near perfect.
Oh hey, look what I found!
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml
Seriously, how awesome is G+?
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml
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“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)”
– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert
– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert
Seriously, how awesome is G+?
Thanks, it looks interesting. I like that blog, have been reading it regularly.
Myrkul, you have been caught lying and doctoring data. Now you are appealing to pseudoscience...
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PATHOCRACY
Political Ponerology
Political Ponerology
http://oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=Ponerology
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No exact results found for Ponerology in the dictionaries.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=Pathocracy
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No exact results found for Pathocracy in the dictionaries.
The two words were invented by Andrzej M Lobaczewski in his book 'Political Ponerology'.
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Ponerology
As indicated by the title of his book, Lobaczewski chose the term ponerology as the name for the discipline dedicated to the study of issues such as those covertly investigated by him and his colleagues. While their main focus was, and the focus of Political Ponerology is, how these issues play out in political systems, the field of ponerology as a whole is much broader. It facilitates and promotes inquiries - and the development of the necessary related working terminology and categories – regarding the entire spectrum of evil, including:
What is evil?
How does evil arise? - Lobaczewski calls the process by which evil originates ponerogenesis and ponerology aims to precisely reveal its “general laws.”
To what extent is evil man made or purposeful?
Why does evil arise where it does?
What forms does evil take?
To what extent can we predict the times, places and shapes in which evil will emerge?
Why do people vary in their responses to evil as they do?
Is evil preventable and, if so, when and how?
Moreover, ponerology is committed to answering these questions from a scientific, rather than from a purely philosophical, theological, supernatural, artistic, emotional or moral perspective.
As indicated by the title of his book, Lobaczewski chose the term ponerology as the name for the discipline dedicated to the study of issues such as those covertly investigated by him and his colleagues. While their main focus was, and the focus of Political Ponerology is, how these issues play out in political systems, the field of ponerology as a whole is much broader. It facilitates and promotes inquiries - and the development of the necessary related working terminology and categories – regarding the entire spectrum of evil, including:
What is evil?
How does evil arise? - Lobaczewski calls the process by which evil originates ponerogenesis and ponerology aims to precisely reveal its “general laws.”
To what extent is evil man made or purposeful?
Why does evil arise where it does?
What forms does evil take?
To what extent can we predict the times, places and shapes in which evil will emerge?
Why do people vary in their responses to evil as they do?
Is evil preventable and, if so, when and how?
Moreover, ponerology is committed to answering these questions from a scientific, rather than from a purely philosophical, theological, supernatural, artistic, emotional or moral perspective.
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Although Lobaczewski’s work examines many aspects of evil, it really revolves around the phenomenon of pathocracy, as reflected in several of Political Ponerology’s aspects:
Part V of Political Ponerology is titled “Pathocracy”
Nearly all of the book’s other parts focus on exploring either the process by which pathocracy arises or its relevance to various areas of society such as normal people’s lives, the fields of psychology and psychiatry or religion.
Lobaczewski, in the book, identifies certain well-known systems that he views as examples of pathocracy and considers the psychopathologies of their leaders.
Political Ponerology’s own postscript paints the book primarily as an explication of pathocracy, describing it as:
“The depiction of the ways and means by which pathological figures take over and undermine the social structures of normal people...”
Part V of Political Ponerology is titled “Pathocracy”
Nearly all of the book’s other parts focus on exploring either the process by which pathocracy arises or its relevance to various areas of society such as normal people’s lives, the fields of psychology and psychiatry or religion.
Lobaczewski, in the book, identifies certain well-known systems that he views as examples of pathocracy and considers the psychopathologies of their leaders.
Political Ponerology’s own postscript paints the book primarily as an explication of pathocracy, describing it as:
“The depiction of the ways and means by which pathological figures take over and undermine the social structures of normal people...”
Oh hey, look what I found!
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml
Seriously, how awesome is G+?
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml
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“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)”
– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert
– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert
Seriously, how awesome is G+?
I watched this earlier today -- it was posted in my AgainstAllArchons subreddit. Excellent piece!
Best read on the subject of psychopathy:
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/mind/psychopathy.shtml#antisocial
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/mind/psychopathy.shtml#antisocial
Sociopaths also will exist in AnCap, and render their personal brand of hell in all their ways within such a society as well. What is your point again?
In a free society the damage sociopaths can cause to society will finally be limited to what they can accomplish via their own efforts instead of amplified by access to armies, nuclear weapons, police forces and taxation.What you mean, then, is they could never be worse than, say, someone like Hitler, as they gain wealth and power and a following? Nothing in AnCap precludes the accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage through business, influence and followers. Good try, though.
Hitler couldnt do much running a company like general motors or walmart. I dont think he would get very far gassing his customers.
What if Hitler ran the company that sold the gas?
Who would buy?
The National Sozialistische Judenbrennung Company, AG. I guess. :-S
Sociopaths also will exist in AnCap, and render their personal brand of hell in all their ways within such a society as well. What is your point again?
In a free society the damage sociopaths can cause to society will finally be limited to what they can accomplish via their own efforts instead of amplified by access to armies, nuclear weapons, police forces and taxation.What you mean, then, is they could never be worse than, say, someone like Hitler, as they gain wealth and power and a following? Nothing in AnCap precludes the accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage through business, influence and followers. Good try, though.
Hitler couldnt do much running a company like general motors or walmart. I dont think he would get very far gassing his customers.
What if Hitler ran the company that sold the gas?
Who would buy?
Sociopaths also will exist in AnCap, and render their personal brand of hell in all their ways within such a society as well. What is your point again?
In a free society the damage sociopaths can cause to society will finally be limited to what they can accomplish via their own efforts instead of amplified by access to armies, nuclear weapons, police forces and taxation.What you mean, then, is they could never be worse than, say, someone like Hitler, as they gain wealth and power and a following? Nothing in AnCap precludes the accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage through business, influence and followers. Good try, though.
Hitler couldnt do much running a company like general motors or walmart. I dont think he would get very far gassing his customers.
What if Hitler ran the company that sold the gas?
Not to mention that their idea of a "solution" to the problem of accumulating wealth, weapons, leverage, influence and followers is ... wait for it ... setting up an accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage, influence and followers, and then calling it "state".
lol, classic truism.
Then why do they bitch and insult us when we point out the flaws in the very thing they allegedly fear so much?
You already know the answer:
Sociopaths. Everywhere.
How come just about anything that interests me or I stumble upon and is interesting, like videos in starting thread, is also of interest
to just few thousands others? I mean, I can't even recall when it was the last time I spotted something that has a value and was of
interest to majority. Is the situation really that bad? If it is, than it is majority those videos are pointing at, and that puts me and those
few thousands others in quite nasty situation. Well, it's not like I wasn't aware of it - I was refusing and still refuse to face it. I should
start looking at it more seriously, LOL!
Good question. While it is undeniable that we people who are against organized violence are in the minority, it's also true that given the overwhelmingly abundant amount of material across many, many interests, and the days having only so many hours, most stuff would only find a couple thousand interested people.
And yes, we the minority are at a disadvantage, not only because we're the minority, but also because we -- unlike the majority -- cannot afford the luxury of using violence to get our way.
They are the first ones on the trains.
How come just about anything that interests me or I stumble upon and is interesting, like videos in starting thread, is also of interest
to just few thousands others? I mean, I can't even recall when it was the last time I spotted something that has a value and was of
interest to majority. Is the situation really that bad? If it is, than it is majority those videos are pointing at, and that puts me and those
few thousands others in quite nasty situation. Well, it's not like I wasn't aware of it - I was refusing and still refuse to face it. I should
start looking at it more seriously, LOL!
Good question. While it is undeniable that we people who are against organized violence are in the minority, it's also true that given the overwhelmingly abundant amount of material across many, many interests, and the days having only so many hours, most stuff would only find a couple thousand interested people.
And yes, we the minority are at a disadvantage, not only because we're the minority, but also because we -- unlike the majority -- cannot afford the luxury of using violence to get our way.
From someone else's quote block:
HAHAHAHA! What epic mental retardation! Mental deficients who say this kind of idiocy, never actually bother proving such a thing actually can happen, or explain how. Their whole participation amounts to fearmongering. Logic = zero.
Not to mention that their idea of a "solution" to the problem of accumulating wealth, weapons, leverage, influence and followers is ... wait for it ... setting up an accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage, influence and followers, and then calling it "state". Wait, wasn't that supposed to be the very thing we're supposed to be terrified of? Then why do they bitch and insult us when we point out the flaws in the very thing they allegedly fear so much?
It's as if some crazy person came to you and said "Hey, do you know that someone might just come and steal your shit? Now give me half of what you have -- or else I will put you in a cage -- so that I can protect you from thieves!" The very sentence "Hey, FirstAsshat, come here so I can protect you from rape by raping you" has about the same level of irrationality that FirstAsshat's comment had. Concentrated, potent, toxic imbecility.
Sociopaths. Everywhere.
Nothing in AnCap precludes the accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage through business, influence and followers.
HAHAHAHA! What epic mental retardation! Mental deficients who say this kind of idiocy, never actually bother proving such a thing actually can happen, or explain how. Their whole participation amounts to fearmongering. Logic = zero.
Not to mention that their idea of a "solution" to the problem of accumulating wealth, weapons, leverage, influence and followers is ... wait for it ... setting up an accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage, influence and followers, and then calling it "state". Wait, wasn't that supposed to be the very thing we're supposed to be terrified of? Then why do they bitch and insult us when we point out the flaws in the very thing they allegedly fear so much?
It's as if some crazy person came to you and said "Hey, do you know that someone might just come and steal your shit? Now give me half of what you have -- or else I will put you in a cage -- so that I can protect you from thieves!" The very sentence "Hey, FirstAsshat, come here so I can protect you from rape by raping you" has about the same level of irrationality that FirstAsshat's comment had. Concentrated, potent, toxic imbecility.
Sociopaths. Everywhere.
Sociopaths also will exist in AnCap, and render their personal brand of hell in all their ways within such a society as well. What is your point again?
In a free society the damage sociopaths can cause to society will finally be limited to what they can accomplish via their own efforts instead of amplified by access to armies, nuclear weapons, police forces and taxation.What you mean, then, is they could never be worse than, say, someone like Hitler, as they gain wealth and power and a following? Nothing in AnCap precludes the accumulation of wealth, weapons, leverage through business, influence and followers. Good try, though.
Hitler couldnt do much running a company like general motors or walmart. I dont think he would get very far gassing his customers.
"Did you know that over 60% of people will kill if ordered?"
I always thought it is not that bad.
It's usually reported the other way around, (the percentage of soldiers who don't fire), and as a problem.
Right, and that was what I was refering to. But than again, seeing billions addicted to games like Call of Duty ... percentage probably changed.
He's also probably counting the participants in the Milgram experiment who went all the way up to the max voltage even after all responses from the "learner" - even the screams of pain - had ceased.
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