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vip
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November 30, 2012, 02:11:08 PM
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http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp

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Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called "fascism" [after "fasces", the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome].



It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it.

The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after

Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history.

Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage.

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State.

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone.

Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.



http://www.buzzle.com/articles/treatment-for-sociopath.html

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Sociopathy is an advanced form of Antisocial Personality Disorder, wherein a person's emotional and physical behavior, perception, and regards towards others, can prove to be damaging to the society. A sociopath doesn't feel emotions, and therefore, can never understand interpersonal relationships. There is a lack of feelings like attachment, respect, remorse, guilt, etc., there is lack of judgment between the right and the wrong; and there is lack of understanding that there is something wrong in them. Yes, a sociopath would never admit, in fact, never realize that they have a disorder. On the contrary, he or she would blame you for all the wrongdoings that have occurred in your life. It is your actions that resulted in what they did, so you are the one to be blamed, not them.
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November 30, 2012, 02:09:42 PM
#28
Then why are you in this thread, if you're not interested in the subject?

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.

Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.

The analogy means nothing. Roses exist outside of gardens. Thus, sociopaths exist outside of fascism.
Of course they do. But where roses exist inside a garden, they are the centerpiece (leadership, in our analogy), or often the entire theme of the garden (the entire power structure, in our example). You can have a garden without roses,  but the temptation to add a rosebush is constant (Fascistic governments attract sociopaths), and once you have one rosebush, you're well on your way to having a rose garden (sociopaths tend to take over any fascistic power structure they are introduced to).

So the analogy is not only valid, it's damn near perfect. Or have you forgotten already:
Almost.

This is better: Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Plants.

EDIT: but I do accept your analogy as well. Roses can be found in many places, not just gardens. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose

I only said your analogy works because it does indeed show that sociopaths are everywhere, like in your AnCap society.
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November 30, 2012, 01:55:50 PM
#27
Then why are you in this thread, if you're not interested in the subject?

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.

Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.

The analogy means nothing. Roses exist outside of gardens. Thus, sociopaths exist outside of fascism.
Of course they do. But where roses exist inside a garden, they are the centerpiece (leadership, in our analogy), or often the entire theme of the garden (the entire power structure, in our example). You can have a garden without roses,  but the temptation to add a rosebush is constant (Fascistic governments attract sociopaths), and once you have one rosebush, you're well on your way to having a rose garden (sociopaths tend to take over any fascistic power structure they are introduced to).

So the analogy is not only valid, it's damn near perfect. Or have you forgotten already:
Almost.

This is better: Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Plants.

EDIT: but I do accept your analogy as well. Roses can be found in many places, not just gardens. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose
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November 30, 2012, 01:22:10 PM
#26
Then why are you in this thread, if you're not interested in the subject?

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.

Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.

The analogy means nothing. Roses exist outside of gardens. Thus, sociopaths exist outside of fascism.
vip
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November 30, 2012, 01:22:04 PM
#25
Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.

You did not explained how the relation of a garden with a plant is an appropriate analogy for the relation of a political regime with a psychological disorder.

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November 30, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
#24
Then why are you in this thread, if you're not interested in the subject?

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.

Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.
vip
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November 30, 2012, 01:08:28 PM
#23
Then why are you in this thread, if you're not interested in the subject?

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.
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November 30, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
#22
Anyone who's made it through the second video should find this thread throughly amusing so far.

I did not even watched the first video and I find you very pathetic.
Arguing from an admitted position of ignorance is not a good idea.

I was not arguing, I was calling him pathetic. He did not made any argument. I am not interested to guess what is his argument.
Then why are you in this thread, if you're not interested in the subject?
vip
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November 30, 2012, 12:54:52 PM
#21
Anyone who's made it through the second video should find this thread throughly amusing so far.

I did not even watched the first video and I find you very pathetic.
Arguing from an admitted position of ignorance is not a good idea.

I was not arguing, I was calling him pathetic. He did not made any argument. I am not interested to guess what is his argument.
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November 30, 2012, 12:49:33 PM
#20
Anyone who's made it through the second video should find this thread throughly amusing so far.

I did not even watched the first video and I find you very pathetic.
Arguing from an admitted position of ignorance is not a good idea.
vip
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November 30, 2012, 12:41:43 PM
#19
Anyone who's made it through the second video should find this thread throughly amusing so far.

I did not even watched the first video and I find you very pathetic.
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November 30, 2012, 12:40:00 PM
#18
These two videos discuss the prevalence of sociopaths in society, how they disguise themselves, and the lengths they'll go to in order to avoid detection.

The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1
The Fascists That Surround You - Part 2: Sociopaths

What fascism have anything to do with sociopaths?
Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.

Almost.

This is better: Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Plants.

EDIT: but I do accept your analogy as well. Roses can be found in many places, not just gardens. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose

How about: Fascism:Sociopath::Apple tree:Orange

And sure, one is a fruit bearing tree and the other is fruit.
So both have some kind of relation to each other.
But it's about different types of fruit altogether.
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November 30, 2012, 12:06:32 PM
#17
Hitler was a sociopath, but most of the people who followed him were normal folk (volk?).
Anyone can be a fascist, but it takes a special sort of sociopath to become their leader.
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November 30, 2012, 11:58:19 AM
#16
These two videos discuss the prevalence of sociopaths in society, how they disguise themselves, and the lengths they'll go to in order to avoid detection.

The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1
The Fascists That Surround You - Part 2: Sociopaths

What fascism have anything to do with sociopaths?
Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Roses.

Almost.

This is better: Fascism:Sociopaths::Garden:Plants.

EDIT: but I do accept your analogy as well. Roses can be found in many places, not just gardens. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose
legendary
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November 30, 2012, 11:46:24 AM
#15
Anyone who's made it through the second video should find this thread throughly amusing so far.
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November 30, 2012, 11:10:22 AM
#14
> Care to explain how a sociopath equals a fascist?

That's kinda like asking how a pedophile loves children. If you have to ask...

Ha!  Veritas.
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
November 30, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
#13

Care to explain how a sociopath equals a fascist?
That's kinda like asking how a pedophile loves children. If you have to ask...
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November 30, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
#12

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.

Or at least, seemingly so.
Maybe he has a very good explanation about all of this.
vip
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November 30, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
#11
Roll Eyes Who the fuck are you to make demands?

Who are you to demand me to watch a video against my will if I do not agree with your implication?

Look at the presented material or don't but in any case I'm not going to hand feed it to you just because you're acting like a scary Internet bully.

Are you already frightened?

If you don't care about the video content there's no reason for you to post in this thread.

No, it is a reason. I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.
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November 30, 2012, 10:41:08 AM
#10
You made this thread. I could care less for the video content. The description you made in the original post imply that sociopaths are fascists (or fascists are sociopaths). I am challenging you to explain what relates a political regime with a psychological disorder.
Roll Eyes Who the fuck are you to make demands? Look at the presented material or don't but in any case I'm not going to hand feed it to you just because you're acting like a scary Internet bully. If you don't care about the video content there's no reason for you to post in this thread.

I think he doubts wether you understand the videos yourself.
So he asks YOU to explain it in your own words.

And i kindof agree.
Care to explain how a sociopath equals a fascist?

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