Topic: The great debate - dank vs vod - page 6. (Read 7608 times)

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PROPOSAL TO dank
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dank, I am willing to have a proper debate with you.  You have shown in this thread that you can't do it in an open environment.

I suggest a neutral party create a moderated thread, where posts that don't apply to the debate can be deleted.

Each person can ask one question per post, provided they answer the question that is asked them.

Any garbage such as your philosophical comments would also be deleted.

The topic would be your debt and your obtaining new loans.

Let me know if this is something you want to do.

*What* you're telling us isn't the issue because we already have that accessible through your previous posts.  I'm talking about *why* you've chosen this approach to saving the world and I'm calling BS on it.


Egocentrism.  That's the context you've created to justify your behavior, but you refuse to accept the validity of the context everyone else perceives.  To you, it's about adhering to some idyllic, postconventional moral view.  To us, we're trying to slap you back into *this* reality and tell you that your approach is insanely impractical.  To you, this world is forced upon you and you are a victim from the day you were born.  To us, while we recognize the depth of corruption which can be found almost anywhere you look for it, we also recognize that we are products of our environment with many positive qualities and characteristics, and so there is as much to honor as to abhor.  

To directly answer your question, no, it's not greedy because it's simply unfair to call it "forcing law and slavery onto [you]."  That is the context you have chosen, and if you want to live your like feeling like a victim then you are welcome to do so.  I think it might be worth reflecting upon the idea that those to whom you preach about liberation probably feel more free than you do.


I would never say that.  More like, "So you want to sh*t on the contributions of your peers by effectively calling all of us evil for working to support an "evil" machine of corruption, something that you said you would not do for yourself for moral reasons, and then have the nerve to post threads asking us to lend you our spoils?"  


Less talk, more doing.


Dank, it's not profound what you said.    All a person has to do is study something like the quantum to understand that reality is stranger than fiction.  But -- and here's the kicker -- we even have loads of data about quantum reality based upon actual scientific experiments.  This means that we can literally take an uneducated person with a classical view of the world, show him the results of such an experiment, and blow his mind.  And, with the millions of people living today who already have been exposed to this knowledge, why do you suppose they aren't preaching to everyone about how the Universe is so much more than what it appears to be?  It's simple -- it has no practical significance right now.  You're banging your head into a brick wall for no good practical reason.  Now, if you can take a statement like "the Universe is you," model it, and then identify and model some practical use for it, then that would be fantastic.   But get a job first.


I'm not getting mad at the messenger, I'm telling him that he sucks at being a messenger.  You either 1) Don't know what you claim to know because you contradict yourself like no tomorrow by playing both sides of the fence whenever it's convenient for you, or 2) you do know what you claim to know but suck at expressing it in a way that's meaningful to others, also because you contradict yourself like no tomorrow.


I didn't say you exaggerate the depth of reality, I said you exaggerate the importance of your actions and your perspective.

I'm glad you brought up the "ripple" analogy, because this is a case-in-point example of you conveniently dancing on whatever side of the fence is most practical for you.    The Butterfly Effect is what we call a mathematically uncertain theory.  It's uncertain not because it isn't true, but because it's opposing theory (i.e. that there is no significant Butterfly Effect) is also true, i.e. both are equally valid depending on the perspective you take.  For example, I can claim that I'm typing this post to you simply because I wanted to, and also because of my interdependence with the lighting generated from the storm cloud on Planet Flafluga.    

In your case, Dank, the rippling of your behavior only applies to the things you want to do but haven't done yet.  You believe that your music festival and your posts here and your motorcycle exhibitions and your drug experiences will ripple positive vibes throughout the Universe, thereby cleansing everything.   But, the ripple analogy goes out the window anytime it has to do with getting a job or repaying your debts.  You don't, for example, believe that continuing with your current behavior could send a rippling effect through the Universe, making everyone less likely to honor their obligations, less trustworthy, more lazy, more stubborn, etc.  You also don't believe that getting a job and repaying your debt would send a rippling effect making everyone more likely to be hard-working, practical, resourceful, etc.


The epitome of egocentrism.  You said it, "What matters [to you] is [you] believed..." and I don't even need to finish it.  What matters to you is your belief.  Everyone else is wrong, you have all the answers, and so right off the bat you've made it a priori impossible to argue with you.


In your mind = egocentrism.  In my mind, it was stupid.  If honest, you would only do such a thing if you believed that the potential value of your sacrifice is greater than the value of your own life.  Your parents would disagree.  I would also disagree because you overestimate the potential value of your sacrifice to the point of delusion.


Then you might want to learn from the ones who were/are successfully able to communicate what they know.


No, you're divulging inconsistent generalities (i.e. inconsistent in terms of what you say versus what it implies for your own behavior).

Two serious questions 1) Do you believe that every other person who has made similar claims to you, and who may or may not have had psychiatric diagnoses or hospital stays, is genuine (or, conversely, do you believe that there are no insane people who make these claims)?  And, 2) If not, what do you think separates you from these other people (i.e. why are they insane and you're not)?


A shill for *who*?  You know I'm not stupid enough to believe that Vod's alleged wealth is the primary reason he calls you out repeatedly.  Egocentrism at it's finest.  All the *elitists* are after you!


I run a Federal financial assistance program designed to move nursing home residents with a history of SMI (serious mental illness) into apartments in the surrounding community.  Clients who are referred and are assessed at a high-enough level of functioning are provided with rent subsidies as well as funding for furniture and other household items.  The program sees a >80% success rate (where success is defined by >1 year residing in the community without reinstitutionalization).  The initiative provides better health care at a reduced cost and enables minority citizens a chance at living in the least-restrictive environment possible.

The Federal Government runs all types of these sort of initiatives.  Why aren't you acknowledging and talking about these, too?  


I bet you can't model that on a sheet of paper (i.e. the relationship between both physical and *other* reality, the relationship between you and others like vod, and the relationship between you and God, into one nice, consistent model).  If you can I'd be *very* interested.  If you can't, you probably don't know what you just said.


Holy egocentrism!  I mean I'm all about spreading positive vibes and the Butterfly Effect and all that jazz, but know your limits!  


Here's more of your egocentrism, though in this case it's more of a Messiah Complex.  It's also an example of another *extreme* contradiction.  In a prior post you were calling for Vod to reply without judgment and yet your entire stated purpose follows your judgment of literally the entire Universe.


It's not about sharing your convictions or beliefs.  Here you go conjuring up a context of victimization.  

You should say sorry to yourself for not being good at adapting.  If you can't be a cog in a machine, we'll replace you for a good cog so that the machine *works*.  If you think you can just let the machine break all of a sudden without dire consequences, you're insanely naive.


Lol Totally sounds like the life of a Universe-saver to me.  We can save the Universe with a 24/7 hoe-down.


Sure, just go back and read all our conversations.

that's actually a good point.. einstein or jobs never accused their parents of being possessed by the devil because they wouldn't support their lazy children  

you change the world by working hard, not by being lazy and trying to start your own cult on a forum/message board.

dank, if you want to change the world, go out to the subway and preach.. also record a video of you doing it, and post it to your youtube channel. there's some guy doing that in new york, and he "earns" enough money to live doing it. i don't have a link though, but i saw it a few months ago on reddit.

Your reply completely and utterly avoided defending against what Vod threw at you.
Your all smoke and mirrors my friend, smoke and mirrors.


And a healthy dose of very hard work. Something your not too keen on.

People called Einstein insane too.

"You're totally bonkers, but I'll tell you a secret, all the best people are" Lewis Carol Alice and Wonderland

"The people who change the world are the ones crazy enough to think they can" Steve Jobs

All the word crazy means is different.  Lack of understanding.  You may call me insane, but if my awareness has increased exponentially in a positive manner, perhaps I am not the one who's insane.

Look at our world.  Meditate on it.

I'll give this to you, time was never my power.  Time is an illusion, all we have is now.  I had a much more optimistic view in terms of the acceptance of my message as it unfolded before me.  I now see humanity is very set in their ways, stuck.  People are normally scared to change.  That is why only by facing your fears can you find enlightenment.  Fear holds you to death.  Fight your fears with true intention and you'll never lose, they are a manifestation of your own consciousness.

But I'd still say it is all manifesting into existence quite well.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3_rvdcvP1zE

Quite well indeed.

A spoken debt is a paid debt. Welcome to Scotland.

With no knowledge of the subject:

What I read here tells me someone borrowed money from someone, and has yet to pay back.

This is not my point.

My point is, this is between the two, and unless legal steps created any third party's knowledge of the debt, then it's got fuck all to do with anyone else, and this is why in Scotland, If borrower owes me and I tell a third party, then I cant be paid back, for opening my mouth cancelled his debt to me. This is Scottish law, not my opinion, but I agree with it. However, this is why there are no guns in the uk, we CAN collect using any means necessary, as long as ya dont get caught

I guess the borrower aint in scotland, and neither was the lender, and since the lender sent money in good faith, then the laws of his country should be applied, which means, fuck all.

Anyone alse buttin in would be telt where tae go, cause it's nowt tae dae wi any cunt else.

Ps, Small claims court is free here..

I'm pretty sure no-one here is actually expecting to get anywhere with this, except maybe dank. 

the best thing we can do is give up arguing with a schizo, because it doesn't get you anywhere.

Not wanting to contribute to evils of this world is very commendable, dank. We are both in agreement, in this regard. Where it all falls apart is the fact that you stole btc from squall. No-one is saying don't play guitar for your chickens. We are saying you are a chicken for wanting to play guitar instead of paying back squall. That is all.

This is not a debate.  You tricked people into thinking it was one, but you just want another stage where you can promote your egocentric attitude.  Your ego trip is out of control dank and without a soul, you cannot experience ego death. 

That hallucination "blue" is?

there is no use reasoning with dank; he lives in a reality that he has created for himself. blue is not blue to him, it's whatever he wants it to be.

By entropy born limakasidan entropism.

So your motorbike runs on water?

Everyone gives you drugs for free?

 

More proof dank's words aren't worth the energy to display them.

Yeah, this statement did not make any sense to me.

The debt repayments are on hold, the thread says this.  I do not have disposable income.  Can you please answer the questions I asked on the first page?  You seem to be ignoring them.  It's hard to debate someone that ignores the questions you ask.

What consistency has been observed about the measure of my word save that tenuious‽

Entropy will set you free?  Chaos, disorder and randomness will set you free?  I didn't realize you could use your will freely by reacting with no control in a state of random chaos.