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legendary
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October 14, 2014, 01:27:20 AM
#45
First all all - it's not a debate.  It's my reminding you you owe squall money.  You have no defence.

Secondly, how will this work if you lie (forget) all the time?

Why don't you think you have to pay your debts?

That's not why this thread was created.  You stalk me around here and create delusions to spread fear and doubt into the minds of the readers.  This is much deeper than me being able to get loans.  This is a matter of personal destinies.  You are playing with people's livelihoods vod.  The world needs to hear what I have discovered.  Truth will always prevail, all the attempts you make to stop the words I speak will only come back to you in the end vod.  As time continues, more will feel the true state of existence.  You can't cover truth with darkness.

So let's discuss vod.  Unless you're scared, be a grown man and have a conversation.

There is no debate.
Dank thinks nobody is loaning him anymore money because of Vod.
The truth of the matter is there is little demand in giving money to homeless, jobless, bankrupt, defaulted people. That's the real reason Dank is getting no more loans.

Well I guess maybe we could debate that.

Loans are not what matters.  Bringing people peace is all that does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egocentrism

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Egocentrism is characterized by preoccupation with one's own internal world. Egocentrics regard themselves and their own opinions or interests as being the most important or valid. To them, self-relevant information is seen to be more important in shaping one’s judgments than are thoughts about others and other-relevant information.[1] Egocentric people are unable to fully understand or to cope with other people's opinions and the fact that reality can be different from what they are ready to accept.

You're missing the meaning of that post.  This thread was not created so vod will stop picking on me so I can get loans.  This thread was created so I can expose vod for the shill he is.  He's dragging people to hell by spreading the fear he does.

Since when do I value my ego more than others? May I remind you I lied down in a ditch in 2013 to take a bullet to the face from Hell's Angel's.  I volunteered myself to be killed as a sacrifice just to prove how corrupt society has become.

Vod, I have paid over 22 BTC on the loan.  Why do you feel the need to constantly harass me over something that does not pertain to you at all?  Squall has even said in the thread that he does not feel the default was intentional.  The person whom invested the loan doesn't think it was a scam, so why have you followed me around this forum for the last year screaming scammer whenever I post, even if it is totally irrelevant from the subject?

I quoted egocentrism for you because I believe it would be applicable to the majority of your posts, and not just this one.  For the record, Vod's comments in your threads do not instill fear in me whatsoever, and I'm not sure why you think they should.  But, maybe that's because you're egocentric and you're not taking into account (see the quoted definition again) other "relevant information," which is basically most of what everyone else is trying to say to you.

You can remind me that you laid in a ditch to take a bullet to demonstrate the corruption in society, and I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and accept the premise that you did.  However, you just demonstrated exactly why you are egocentric.  You actually believe that you, Dank, can perform such an action and that it should have some uber-significant impact on society such that everyone will have some kind of moment of enlightenment and change for the better.  The "egocentric" part is that you over-exaggerate the importance of your actions relevant to everything and everyone else.  It's the same mentality that makes you think that you aren't endangering people by "flying" 100+ mph in and out of traffic on your motorcycle.  What you fail to realize is that you are not the center of the Universe, and not everyone (and, in truth, hardly anyone) is paying attention to what you are doing at all times.

If the Hell's Angels would have killed you, the world would've kept on spinning and we would be where we are right now, except with one extra, needless death.   That would have been a really, REALLY stupid, ill-conceived means of saving the world and bringing peace to others.  You should know that there's nothing logical about an extra death leading to peace.  You simply ignore the countless times you contradict your own logic and think that some unique acid trip experience allows you to pull all sorts of mental gymnastics to reconcile those contradictions, and even reconcile outright fallacies.

Dank, my honest suspicion is the following:  I think the crux of your problem is that, in truth, there actually is a fine line between genius and insanity, but you can't see it and you don't actually know which side you're really on.  I also think that you legitimately have a good heart and that you mean well, and I even think that you mostly believe all of the things you say.  Furthermore -- and this is where things get dangerous -- I even think there's a lot of truth within your overarching spiritual message that you try to spread, and I think you probably have acquired some genuine, intuitive insight into the nature of reality based upon your wide range of experiences.  I will readily concede that nobody can take those experiences away from you.

But, there are two major reasons why I think you've fallen by the wayside: 1) You're a contrarian, and 2) You make the false conclusion that, because you've had these unique experiences, this somehow makes you the de facto authoritative expert.  And, unfortunately, without a formal educational background, you criss-cross your logic without even being aware of it.  The inevitable result of someone who is a contrarian and thinks they are privileged enough to be the only one with all the answers is stubborn blame.  And so you do; you blame society for not providing you, the privileged one, with your own individualized platform to stand on and share your wisdom.  You also blame Vod for "shilling" for...what...evil?  (Seriously, who would he be shilling for, Satan?).  But you have yet to provide one good reason for why you think it is that, somehow, millions of other people including Vod, myself, and other posters are able to provide for ourselves to pursue our own ambitions but that you are unable to.  Usually, at this point you defer to morality and claim that doing any kind of work means that you are supporting a corrupt, evil system.  This is completely unsound BS and you know it.  It's a cop out, it's childish, and that's what I, Vod, and so many others in these threads abhor.  We are ALL living under these same contexts and you're the only one whining.

Also, with direct regards to your quarrel with Vod, your criss-crossed logic would suggest that you are Vod, so maybe you should resolve the issue with yourself.  How about them apples?

Keep in mind and remember that I have more than a decade of learning of East Asian religious traditions, philosophy and metaphysics, and experience with meditation, and even share some of your more taboo experiences.  I even have a copy of Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon.  I've spent my fair share of time walking the crazy/genius line.  In reality, I'm neither.  And neither are you, though you've been   toeing crazy a little (way) too much in my opinion.
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October 14, 2014, 01:21:56 AM
#44
If that fellow suspected such defaults yet proceeded to so loan, has not that fool suffered that fate of them, as he ought?

No one makes a loan if they think the borrower will default. So no, your blaming the victim tactic is also garbage and not a justification for the borrower being a deadbeat.
Is a victim one lacking prudence sufficient for victimization elusion?

Are you trying to phrase your responses in the most convoluted way possible to detract from not having a valid point? It's not working, and as a bonus, it's obnoxious. Bottom line is you're defending a guy who broke his promises to pay someone back a loan and are now blaming the victim for loaning someone money in the first place. That's twisted logic if I've ever seen it.
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Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.

To force repayment so would be to grant him fish. To deny "Squall" is to grant him wisdom.

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October 14, 2014, 01:17:05 AM
#43
If that fellow suspected such defaults yet proceeded to so loan, has not that fool suffered that fate of them, as he ought?

No one makes a loan if they think the borrower will default. So no, your blaming the victim tactic is also garbage and not a justification for the borrower being a deadbeat.
Is a victim one lacking prudence sufficient for victimization elusion?

Are you trying to phrase your responses in the most convoluted way possible to detract from not having a valid point? It's not working, and as a bonus, it's obnoxious. Bottom line is you're defending a guy who broke his promises to pay someone back a loan and are now blaming the victim for loaning someone money in the first place. That's twisted logic if I've ever seen it.
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October 14, 2014, 12:56:09 AM
#42
If that fellow suspected such defaults yet proceeded to so loan, has not that fool suffered that fate of them, as he ought?

No one makes a loan if they think the borrower will default. So no, your blaming the victim tactic is also garbage and not a justification for the borrower being a deadbeat.
Is a victim one lacking prudence sufficient for victimization elusion?
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October 14, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
#41
If that fellow suspected such defaults yet proceeded to so loan, has not that fool suffered that fate of them, as he ought?

No one makes a loan if they think the borrower will default. So no, your blaming the victim tactic is also garbage and not a justification for the borrower being a deadbeat.
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October 14, 2014, 12:45:09 AM
#40
Somehow - and this is a stretch, I know - I don't think it's a lack of capital keeping you from turning into magic and defying physics or whatever other hippy nonsense you spouted that isn't worth remembering. And the i can't get a job to pay you back because it condones all the evil in the world excuse is epic on the bullshit meter.
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October 14, 2014, 12:26:51 AM
#39
I've only failed to pay one loan.  Please cite a second debt I have defaulted on.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/danks-chance-to-clear-his-name-on-hold-325070
You refinanced your loan with squall  (reducing the principle to $10,000) and promised to make monthly payments.  That was your second chance, and your second failure/default.

We're not going to give you a third chance to default on yet another loan.

Now I answered your question - my turn.

Why don't you think you have to pay your debts?

That is not the only question asked.

I'll answer you.  Your assertion is false.  I wish to pay back squall every penny and more.  But I cannot within the constructs of society today.

I believe murdering humans is off my moral compass.  I believe slaughtering humans is wrong too.  I believe creating false wars and committing mass genocide is nothing I want to be a part of.

In the United States, where I live, 40% of your tax dollars go towards 'defense' (genocide).  Due to this factor, I find a confliction with my values as a human.  I cannot get myself to get a job for some billion dollar corporation that is sucking the wealth off the population in exchange for poison, while simultaneously quenching the thirst of a war machine that seeks nothing short of world domination.  It would literally kill off a piece of my soul.

Since I am unable to solicit mass murder of our fellow neighbors, I've chosen take an alternate path in life.  I can play guitar, sing, grow food 3x as efficiently than normal, I can raise chickens and supply my area with organic food.  I can build a 400 sqft shelter for well under 2000 dollars.  I can build infinite energy machines, defy physics and empower people's lives with the experiences I hold.  I would be doing all of this if I had the resources to do so.

I would love to pay squall back, it would really help if I physically had the capital to do so.

What do you do for society vod?

And please remember the questions you did not answer.

So you dont work or have any access to money, you robbed a guy of 53BTC and your wondering why people still wont loan you?

You have so many values yet your a scumbag thief. You cant truly beleive half the shit you say if you act in the regard of a crook.

All you do is spew garbage and beg for money.

You have no issue taking "Blood Money" , just actually earning it.

Vod mentions the motorcyclea good bit. Why not sell it? It has to be worth 2.5k+ you only need 2 for your shelter some chickens and shit cant be more than $500.... Ohh yea cause that would involve giving up something of yours.

Your a piece of shit in every capacity.
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October 14, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
#38
First all all - it's not a debate.  It's my reminding you you owe squall money.  You have no defence.

Secondly, how will this work if you lie (forget) all the time?

Why don't you think you have to pay your debts?

That's not why this thread was created.  You stalk me around here and create delusions to spread fear and doubt into the minds of the readers.  This is much deeper than me being able to get loans.  This is a matter of personal destinies.  You are playing with people's livelihoods vod.  The world needs to hear what I have discovered.  Truth will always prevail, all the attempts you make to stop the words I speak will only come back to you in the end vod.  As time continues, more will feel the true state of existence.  You can't cover truth with darkness.

So let's discuss vod.  Unless you're scared, be a grown man and have a conversation.

There is no debate.
Dank thinks nobody is loaning him anymore money because of Vod.
The truth of the matter is there is little demand in giving money to homeless, jobless, bankrupt, defaulted people. That's the real reason Dank is getting no more loans.

Well I guess maybe we could debate that.

Loans are not what matters.  Bringing people peace is all that does.
I know I'm wasting my time here, but w/e I'll just say this.

dank, Vod will follow you to end of the earth until you do the right thing and pay your debts. Making this thread isn't going to stop that. You brought this upon yourself. No-one made you take squall's btc. You did that all on your own! No-one cares about your excuses for not paying it back, just pay it back. You are the one that is playing with people's lives here. (squall's in this case.) No-one cares about your bogus and delusional philosophies or claims about saving the world. (It is a mild form of entertainment for us at best.) Save yourself first, dank. Only once you man up and pay your debts will this end.

If that fellow suspected such defaults yet proceeded to so loan, has not that fool suffered that fate of them, as he ought?
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October 13, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
#37
First all all - it's not a debate.  It's my reminding you you owe squall money.  You have no defence.

Secondly, how will this work if you lie (forget) all the time?

Why don't you think you have to pay your debts?

That's not why this thread was created.  You stalk me around here and create delusions to spread fear and doubt into the minds of the readers.  This is much deeper than me being able to get loans.  This is a matter of personal destinies.  You are playing with people's livelihoods vod.  The world needs to hear what I have discovered.  Truth will always prevail, all the attempts you make to stop the words I speak will only come back to you in the end vod.  As time continues, more will feel the true state of existence.  You can't cover truth with darkness.

So let's discuss vod.  Unless you're scared, be a grown man and have a conversation.

There is no debate.
Dank thinks nobody is loaning him anymore money because of Vod.
The truth of the matter is there is little demand in giving money to homeless, jobless, bankrupt, defaulted people. That's the real reason Dank is getting no more loans.

Well I guess maybe we could debate that.

Loans are not what matters.  Bringing people peace is all that does.
I know I'm wasting my time here, but w/e I'll just say this.

dank, Vod will follow you to end of the earth until you do the right thing and pay your debts. Making this thread isn't going to stop that. You brought this upon yourself. No-one made you take squall's btc. You did that all on your own! No-one cares about your excuses for not paying it back, just pay it back. You are the one that is playing with people's lives here. (squall's in this case.) No-one cares about your bogus and delusional philosophies or claims about saving the world. (It is a mild form of entertainment for us at best.) Save yourself first, dank. Only once you man up and pay your debts will this end.
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 11:04:58 PM
#36
Sorry, I'm not taking 30 minutes between responses, and then you don't even ask me a question.   Roll Eyes

A debate is boom boom boom, questions and answers.  Not promoting your egocentric agenda yet again.

Let me know when you want to have the debate, and I am game.

Edit:  See?  2 mins to respond to you, had you asked a question.

You still haven't answered my previous questions, I'm waiting for you to catch up.
Vod
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
#35
*backs away slowly*

Yeah, a lot of people are doing that.  Explains why he is allowed to continue.   Undecided
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:57:37 PM
#34
Dank vs Vod?

It's dank vs Vod.

Dank is going to tell you that "dank" != "Dank"


I don't know anyone named Michelle.

Now I am chilling with these 40 year old chicks and Michele (the older hippy chick) is calling me jesus and I haven't told them I am.

How convenient of you to forget.  Michele is the mother of the six year old girl you raped, remember?


Michele != Michelle.

*backs away slowly*
Vod
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
#33
Dank vs Vod?

It's dank vs Vod.

dank is going to tell you that "dank" != "Dank"


I don't know anyone named Michelle.

Now I am chilling with these 40 year old chicks and Michele (the older hippy chick) is calling me jesus and I haven't told them I am.

How convenient of you to forget.  Michele is the mother of the six year old girl you raped, remember?


Michele != Michelle.
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
#32
Dank vs Vod?


Flawless Victory for Vod.

Dank. You're a fucking mongol.
Vod
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:45:35 PM
#31
Sorry, I'm not taking 30 minutes between responses, and then you don't even ask me a question.   Roll Eyes

A debate is boom boom boom, questions and answers.  Not promoting your egocentric agenda yet again.

Let me know when you want to have the debate, and I am game.

Edit:  See?  2 mins to respond to you, had you asked a question.
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:43:18 PM
#30
I'll answer you.  Your assertion is false.  I wish to pay back squall every penny and more.  But I cannot within the constructs of society today.

That is a lie dank.  There is nothing stopping you from selling the bike you cannot legally use and making a payment towards squall, other than greed.  The rest of your post is diarrhoea which has nothing to do with my question.  Please try and stay on topic.

It would literally kill off a piece of my soul.

So?   Squall owns that - what do you care?

So, are we allowed to lie in our answers?  Perhaps you should set some rules for this debate.

Ok, you answered my question (with a lie).  So now you can ask me ONE question about your debt, and I will answer it.  

I acknowledge no law of man, I am a being of the cosmos.  I believe in karma, nature, not control through coercion and violence.

Yes greed is the exact reason stopping me from contributing to the planet destroying machine of greed.  Say I got a job and abandoned my beliefs as a person to work for a restaurant and feed people carcinogenic GMOs while funding terrorism through taxes.  I would literally be driven into depression.  I am too aware of the depths of society's corruption.

Greed is the reason I cannot get financed for any of the projects I wish to work on.  People no longer care if what you're doing benefits people or how it impacts the world; all that matters is if it's profitable or not.

I wish to give all the universe has and all I possibly can.

You're still ignoring my questions.

This is getting boring.

dank, you better not be typing a wall of text.  You wanted a debate - which is questions and answers.  Leave your commentary to your other threads.

Waiting for your ONE question.

You can't be serious, you have passed over several of my questions.
Vod
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
#29
This is getting boring.

dank, you better not be typing a wall of text.  You wanted a debate - which is questions and answers.  Leave your commentary to your other threads.

Waiting for your ONE question.
Vod
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:13:48 PM
#28
I'll answer you.  Your assertion is false.  I wish to pay back squall every penny and more.  But I cannot within the constructs of society today.

That is a lie dank.  There is nothing stopping you from selling the bike you cannot legally use and making a payment towards squall, other than greed.  The rest of your post is diarrhoea which has nothing to do with my question.  Please try and stay on topic.

It would literally kill off a piece of my soul.

So?   Squall owns that - what do you care?

So, are we allowed to lie in our answers?  Perhaps you should set some rules for this debate.

Ok, you answered my question (with a lie).  So now you can ask me ONE question about your debt, and I will answer it.  
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
#27
I've only failed to pay one loan.  Please cite a second debt I have defaulted on.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/danks-chance-to-clear-his-name-on-hold-325070
You refinanced your loan with squall  (reducing the principle to $10,000) and promised to make monthly payments.  That was your second chance, and your second failure/default.

We're not going to give you a third chance to default on yet another loan.

Now I answered your question - my turn.

Why don't you think you have to pay your debts?

That is not the only question asked.

I'll answer you.  Your assertion is false.  I wish to pay back squall every penny and more.  But I cannot within the constructs of society today.

I believe murdering humans is off my moral compass.  I believe slaughtering humans is wrong too.  I believe creating false wars and committing mass genocide is nothing I want to be a part of.

In the United States, where I live, 40% of your tax dollars go towards 'defense' (genocide).  Due to this factor, I find a confliction with my values as a human.  I cannot get myself to get a job for some billion dollar corporation that is sucking the wealth off the population in exchange for poison, while simultaneously quenching the thirst of a war machine that seeks nothing short of world domination.  It would literally kill off a piece of my soul.

Since I am unable to solicit mass murder of our fellow neighbors, I've chosen take an alternate path in life.  I can play guitar, sing, grow food 3x as efficiently than normal, I can raise chickens and supply my area with organic food.  I can build a 400 sqft shelter for well under 2000 dollars.  I can build infinite energy machines, defy physics and empower people's lives with the experiences I hold.  I would be doing all of this if I had the resources to do so.

I would love to pay squall back, it would really help if I physically had the capital to do so.

What do you do for society vod?

And please remember the questions you did not answer.
Vod
legendary
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October 13, 2014, 09:55:15 PM
#26
I've only failed to pay one loan.  Please cite a second debt I have defaulted on.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/danks-chance-to-clear-his-name-on-hold-325070
You refinanced your loan with squall  (reducing the principle to $10,000) and promised to make monthly payments.  That was your second chance, and your second failure/default.

We're not going to give you a third chance to default on yet another loan.

Now I answered your question - my turn.

Why don't you think you have to pay your debts?
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