Topic: The impact of Russian and Ukrain war on world economy - page 33. (Read 11385 times)

Why did you decide that in Donetsk or Lugansk, someone has the right to decide whether this territory will belong to sovereign Ukraine or not? Perhaps you just have a gap in knowledge? And you decided that the inhabitants of Russia ALWAYS LIVED there? Then I will upset you - NO! There was an ARTIFICIAL and FORCED eviction of the indigenous population (Ukrainians) from the 30s of the last century to the 60s, and in their place they brought rabble from the territory of the RSFSR. Who settled in the houses of those whom the Kremlin sent to death. Before declaring such nonsense - study the subject area

ZY.Total: according to your logic, it is necessary to give the right to all states of India - to decide - will they be part of Britain, or the USA, for example? After all, they speak English there, and representatives of Britain and the USA lived and live there

This reminded of the first days of the invasion when the Russians had forgotten to bring enough fuel and got stuck

Are they really?
Looking at the site @DrBeer shared some time ago (https://deepstatemap.live/) all the occupied regions are directly connected to mainland Russia (through land or sea of Azov, also accessible through the Black sea).
The Ukraine progress is also pushing Russians back not surrounding them or cutting them from behind to be able to cut any of the supply/retreat routes.

What will the Russians do in anticipation of winter if their troops do not have proper equipment and winter clothing? Especially surrounded and pressed to the Dnieper by the Kherson group of Russian troops, which already had big problems with supplies, and after yesterday's damage to the Kerch bridge, which connects mainland Russia with the occupied Crimean peninsula, the situation there will be simply catastrophic. In this most combat-ready part of the Russian army, it will either surrender or die, because the retreat routes are under the complete control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
By the way, in recent weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving very quickly in the Kherson direction, freeing approximately 1,200 square kilometers of their territory. From the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the houses of Kherson are already visible.

 

I will answer in your style - so in the Donetsk region of Ukraine no one speaks the Moksha language or Korelian or Bashkir! Namely, these languages ​​\u200b\u200bof the "Russian people". This is for you to expand your knowledge

And back to India: "And no part of India has ever been part of either Iran or China" - okay? How is it never and none? Oh oh oh, what a selective memory!
Let me remind you for one thing - but what - in Ukraine there are territories that belonged to Russia or "Russians"? Or maybe remind you of the Kuban? About Taganrog and other regions of UKRAINE that were transferred to the RSFSR? You don't want to talk about it?

Well, about Musk - his proposal is bad because he absolutely does not understand the roots of the problem, but offers to make concessions to the aggressor, give him OUR territories, and give him reason to think that this can continue to be so. Then Britain claims all the territories of India where there is English ... Or what?

And the key question - tell me how please - what kind of state is RUSSIA? What was it called earlier and what did it include?
Well, for one thing, if you nod at the historical and linguistic roots, let's continue this topic, only relying on historical facts?
Moscow and the European part of the Russian Federation, according to YOUR concept, should return to their parents - Kyiv, to RUSS. Yes - RUSS, that is exactly what the historical name of the Slavic state on the territory of modern Ukraine sounds like, and not RUSSIA And why should they return to Ukraine, ACCORDING TO YOUR CONCEPT? Everything is extremely simple - because the citizens of RUSS were the creators of Moscow and most of the ancient cities of modern Russia. And even more so because ... Muscovites speak a language based on Slavic, which has been transformed from Ukrainian into an absolutely artificial "Great Russian". Read what language Muscovy spoke and wrote before the 17th century, you will be surprised!

And a task for you: explain when and where did the name RUSSIA come from?

It is worth knowing that the Arabs have been making a shift towards Easter bloc for some time now.
I also believe that the recent military drill in Yemen where the armed forces revealed a lot of advanced weapons such as their ballistic missiles with 1500 km range had a much bigger message for the Saudi Khalifah, Bin Salman.

P.S. funny how Saudis had promised US to increase production a couple of months ago and some people believed that nonsense

Exactly. Americans never cared all this talk about territorial integrity when they invaded Kosovo (a part of Serbia) and then bombed hospitals and kindergartens in Belgrade to rubble.

BTW, it is surprising to see Saudi Arabia and Prince Salman solidly standing behind Russia. Yesterday it was announced that they would cut oil production by a massive 2 million barrels per day. And the significance of this announcement is that it comes a few months before the G7 is about to implement price cap on Russian crude. Any OPEC cut will make implementation of price cap extremely difficult.

not only that, the impact of the Russo-Ukrainian war in Western countries will affect inflation. Then in the Middle East and North Africa, in addition to rising commodity prices are also affected because these areas are tourist destinations for Russian and Ukrainian tourists. Meanwhile in Europe, the supply of natural gas is a big challenge there.

Russia and Ukraine have strategic roles in global trade. Of course this war will affect the supply chain owned by Russia and Ukraine," said Margo Yuwono, Head of BPS, in a press conference, Monday (4/18/2022).

So this Russian war will greatly affect the world economy.

source: cnbcIndonesia.

Because democracy and people's vote is only good as long as it gives the result that the big players want (ie. United States), otherwise they oppose it just like what the West is doing these days. It's actually quite funny how Russia used the same "democracy" the Americans always advertise in those regions.

^^^ In India there are dozens of languages with official regional status. The topic is different. Elon put forward some proposals to end the war. We are analyzing whether these proposals are feasible or not. And also whether these proposals, if put in place can stop the war immediately. IMO, if the proposals are put in place, then it can result in an immediate end to the war. Let the people of Donbass vote on whether they want to remain in Ukraine or not. Why you are afraid about it? The Russians seems to be OK with this proposal.

Ah ah ah... Dear Sithara007 ! Let me enlighten you how many languages ​​are there in India? Since you do not own the situation, or are trying to hide it!
So - OFFICIAL: In India they speak 447 different languages, 2000 dialects. The Constitution of India stipulates that Hindi and English are the two languages ​​of the national government, that is, the state languages.

Now try to explain:
1. Why do not all of them (447) have the status of a state language? But only Hindi and English? Just don't say that the basic laws of India are the main ones in India!
2. Is the official language English? Do you border with Britain? Do you have "historical ties with Britain"? So Britain has the right to annex part of India to Great Britain?
3. since the groups speaking 447 different languages ​​do not have the status of the state language, does it mean that the territories where they are spoken have the right to self-determination and secession from India? They are oppressed! And for example, Pakistan, can they take them into their possession by holding a fake referendum?


No need to say that "in Ukraine it's not like that at all"

In India we don't have anyone speaking Iranian (Farsi) or Chinese. So the situation is not comparable. And no part of India was ever part of either Iran or China. I want to know what is wrong in what Elon suggested. IMO, this is the only viable solution, which can bring an immediate end to this conflict.

This is his suggestion:


Personally I don't find anything wrong with any of his suggestions. And we already have the example of Kosovo. Why can't the same approach that was used in Kosovo, not applied to Donbass?

It's true I think when Covid 19 begins to subside the economy can rise even though in fact the economy at that time began to rise and it didn't last long,
after all the war between Russia and Ukraine really had a big impact,
either I don't know when this will last

The impact is prominently felt worldwide, its
an added perturbation to everyone since the
pandemic started. Besides markets and economies,
some analyst are theorizing that the continuing
situation with Ukraine and Russia is a progenitor   
to a new world war. It used to sound dubious and unreal
as modern conflicts on such likely matters are dealt
with diplomacy and interventions throughout the years.
But more and more as the war continues to progress
and escalate further, that reality of a bigger war seems
to slowly take shape. Even with the sanctions imposed
against Russia, it hasn’t slowed down. This war impacts
us all, it affects modern society and economies everywhere.

It will be very interesting to see your reaction, for example, when Britain, which has done a lot for India, says that India should consider giving some territories to Iran and China! Well, to remove the tension that has existed for many decades.
And the same Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh are historical territories of China!
Will your reaction be the same or is it "a different case, and everything is completely different there"?
I guess you'll try to ignore the question, either "you get it all wrong" or "you don't know what you're talking about". But you can surprise!

The tweet from Elon Musk has attracted a lot of criticism within Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576994262226702336
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576998577758666752

And within minutes, Oleksii Arestovych came up with this reply:

https://twitter.com/arestovych/status/1577026215013019648

And let's not forget that Elon Musk is the same guy who spent hundreds of millions of USD, to provide StarLink and other accessories to the Ukrainian forces. And he didn't said anything positive about Russia in his tweets. All he did was to ask for a ceasefire. Arestovych created some very powerful enemies today and it is not going to end up well for him (especially if GOP wrests back control of the senate next month).

When I read you, I always have a smile on my face It seems that you have the Internet, free access to information, but you do not notice reality, and in principle, you constantly study only information only from Russian propaganda resources

The situation has changed, and now you can see:
1. Breakthrough by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense lines of the army of Russian terrorists. (see the map, with the real dynamics of the liberation of Ukrainian lands from the Nazis and Russian terrorists)
https://deepstatemap.live/#8/48.292/35.145

2. Breakthrough by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense lines of the army of Russian terrorists, in the Luhansk region

3. Tantrums of Russian propagandists about "where are our victories, why are our troops fleeing?!" Do not believe? Google it! Simonyan, and others are already preparing the ground for saying "yes, we were always against the war against Ukraine, it was Putin who forced us!"

4. Mobilization in the country with the "second army in the world"!
And not of a high-quality mobilization staff, but of the rabble and marginals, to whom the military commissars are telling that these one-time "warriors" need to ask their girls and mothers for women's hygienic tampons and women's pads, in order to have at least some means to stop the blood Here video from the barracks of Russian mobilized disposable terrorists. Turn on subtitles - make sure
https://youtu.be/cZVToAou7jc

The Kharkiv region of Ukraine has long since been liberated from Russian invaders. The 5,000-strong group of Russians in Liman was partially destroyed and partially taken prisoner. Only a small part fled towards Kremennaya, where they ended up in another encirclement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Also in the evening, on the first of October, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a successful offensive in the south, breaking through the Russian defenses in several places. The next day, the second of October, they advanced up to 27 kilometers. Now the offensive continues and soon, apparently, the 20,000-strong group of troops of the remnants of the Russian regular army will be defeated. She has been surrounded under the fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for a long time. The Ukrainians first destroyed ammunition depots, command posts, as well as accumulations of Russian manpower and equipment, so that there would be fewer losses during the subsequent offensive. This explains why the offensive was not so swift on this sector of the front. It was foolish to attack the well-fortified and stuffed Russian positions head-on. After their methodical weakening, the process went more quickly.

Ukrainians are putting all their effort in Kharkov region and in Kherson the frontlines haven't moved much. And Kherson is very flat terrain. Conducting an offensive operation is going to be risky for either sides. The Ukrainians are not going to care as long as they conquer Lyman and other strategic cities in the Kharkov-Lugask-Donetsk region. Lyman will be recaptured either by today or tomorrow, as it is already under siege.  This city was strategically located along the supply lines to Donestk and will give a big advantage to the Ukrainians.

Putin keeps pushing on the war, even though his country has already been severely affected with the sanctions. I guess he has some imperialistic agenda to rule the world. Don't think for a second that he's going to stop after he conquers Ukraine. It's possible Putin will target Finland, Sweden, Georgia, and other countries within the eurozone to expand Russian influence around the world. Western countries should not take Putin's words lightly when he said he was not "bluffing" about using nuclear weapons on Ukraine. After all, he's known to be unpredictable at times. A nuclear conflict will further deteriorate the global economy to a point where there's no room for recovery. Either the EU and the US step up to the game or the world would be nothing but doomed. Let's see how everything will turn out to be during the remainder of 2022. Just my opinion

I don't think there would be anything left of the world to have an economy

I think they are basically trying to weaken NATO more before they start moving forward (hence waiting for winter). I also don't think they'll let any territories be lost in Kherson region since after the first plan was lost (annex anything west of Dnipro river) the main plan is to cut off Ukraine from the sea and basically reach Moldova by annexing all those regions in the south.
The bombardments of southern targets from Ochakiv to Odesa could be considered a proof of that plan.
Ukrainians haven't have that much success liberating those regions in Kherson front either.