Topic: The impact of Russian and Ukrain war on world economy - page 28. (Read 11382 times)

Apart from the United States, Turkey is the only other NATO member with a combat-ready army. The armed forces of UK and Germany are a joke. And at this point, I don't think that anyone would kick Turkey out of NATO. Replacing Turkey with Saudi Arabia? That maybe a good idea, but the problem is that the Saudis themselves are not interested. And Greece is a laughing stock now. They have a population of 10 million (decreasing at a rate of 1% per year). Forget about Turkey, they would struggle to be competitive against the armed forces of Kosovo.

Let's calm down and calmly find out what's going on?
1. Yes, the United States supplies weapons to Greece. That is exactly what it is. And that is in 2022. All right. I’ll even say for sure - from about May 2022. And I’ll name the reason - the United States itself is forcing Greece to transfer more weapons to Ukraine, promising to supply more modern weapons, NATO standard. You will be surprised, but Greece has very large stocks of weapons produced in the USSR, which, entering Ukraine, without adaptation, are used to destroy Russian terrorist troops.
2. Greece has already transferred a lot of weapons to Ukraine, and when there was a real danger of depletion of weapons, the United States promised to replace them. List of the next delivery of weapons from Greece to Ukraine:
122 BMP-1s along with ammunition;
15 thousand 73 mm shells;
20 thousand AK-47s;
3.2 million rounds of 7.62 mm caliber;
60 MANPADS FIM-92 Stinger;
17 thousand 150 mm artillery shells;
1.1 thousand RPG-18 anti-tank grenades.
3. Greece buys weapons not only in the US. In the EU (Germany, France,....). And this is due to the identification of "thin spots" in the conflict with Turkey in 2020 in the Mediterranean. This is not a secret, Greece openly declares this.
4. Turkey is, of course, a peculiar player, but no one will "throw" him out of NATO. Firstly, it is not beneficial to many European countries. Turkey is a deterrent in the region, for the same Russia. I will not say anything about the combat quality of the Turkish armed forces. But in terms of scale, this army is the largest (commensurate with the miserable "second army of the world"), and besides, it is much more technologically advanced. Plus, Turkey, without looking back anywhere, indicates to Russia where its place is, and does what it needs. Plus, Turkey turned out to be an excellent supplier of "unparalleled" Russian weapons, for in-depth study by NATO partners

the impact is heavy and the after effect is felt in almost all part of the world
and COVID and Afghar - USA crisis this was too much for the world to digest.

Since Russia said that it had nothing to do with it, it means that Russia deliberately did it. It sounds like humor, but in reality it is a fact. As soon as Russia is caught by the ass, she starts squealing and squealing to the whole world that "it's not us !!!!", and quickly trying to hide traces, witnesses and so on.

Yes, I know that now NATO has decided to play the game "let's not escalate", hiding behind the convenient topic "this is the Ukrainian S300 air defense missile, yes it happens, well, Ukraine is defending itself, you yourself understand, we disagree, the problem is solved." Yes, NATO has once again shown its "capacity" and "adherence to the concept." Yes, I don’t like it, but the truth is above all, even if I don’t like it (I understand that such an approach seems “creepy” to supporters of the concept of the Russian world ).
I won’t specify that not 1 but 2 missiles hit Poland, which I respect (the first pictures from the scene of the tragedy showed this), the remains of the rocket filmed by Polish journalists have nothing to do with the rocket from the S-300 complex. Well, and an important clarification - the S-300 missiles have a self-destruct system in case of missing the target, or not reaching the trajectory, or other emergencies. This node is one of the most reliable, for a simple reason - in the course of hostilities, in limited areas, and the absence of 100% guarantees of undermining the target, it can lead to an arrival at its own positions with a non-zero probability. So theoretically it is POSSIBLE to assume that:
1. The missile missed and did not destroy the target
2. The rocket chose such a trajectory that it went to the adjacent territory. For those who served in air defense, tell us about the maximum range of these missiles, and especially for the modification that they pass off as having fallen in Poland, and approximately indicate where the air defense systems are located in western Ukraine, in the border areas with Poland.
3. Missile's Critical Self-Destruct System Failed

We take all these 3 extremely unlikely events and .... We remember about 2 missiles! Those. 2 extremely unlikely events that happened to a couple of objects, at the same time and in the same place?! I am ready to listen to a reasoned answer and refutation, taking into account the above FACTS

The impact of the russia vs ukraine war is of course very heavy because it is almost a year of war and there is no sign of ending, for the economy of course russia and ukraine are 2 important countries because they are supplying countries for oil, gas and so on, when the war of course disrupts the supply of the 2 countries .

Greece has been being armed by United States over the past couple of months.
As I said the possible scenario is that they will first kick Turkey out of NATO then Greece (with the help of NATO) would start the invasion. Keep in mind that Turkish military is the most dependent military despite its size. From their airforce to their defenses are all imported whether fully (eg. bought US aircraft) or parts (like their Bayraktar drones). Kicking them out of NATO means all these imports would stop too and their military suddenly drops down to the weak category.

No they do not because it is made up or by poor quality news that are looking for sensationalist headlines. To many people fall for these types of news and treat them as fact when they could not be further from it.

Does Greece have the army and finances for an invasion? Their economy collapse only a couple of years ago any drawn out war would put them right into that territory again.

There has been some benefits for Turkey and a lot of other countries but I wouldn't say Turkey is the main beneficiary of it considering how the inflation in Turkey is at an all time high of 90%!!!

As for their foreign policy it is their only option and it is the worst policy any country can have. They are stuck between two blocs and have to play both sides without leaning towards either side! If they betray the Western Bloc then the Americans immediately start their war crime file to kick them out of NATO and Greece would invade right away. If they betray the Eastern bloc their energy supply would vanish and their inflation would soar a lot higher than this and depending on what the "betrayal" is they could be invaded from 3 sides (South, East and North) by 4 armies.

Do you have any reference for this claim?

A direct confrontation between Russia and NATO will be when the regular army of the alliance enters the territory of Ukraine or NATO attacks Russian troops from its own or neutral territory. For the time being, NATO is indeed evading a direct confrontation to the extent possible, which was shown by the events of November 15, when two missiles fell in Przevodovo in Poland. But this fact greatly alarmed the elite and the power bloc in Russia itself. They were so worried about a possible war with NATO that they were even going to remove Putin and shift all responsibility for the war in Ukraine onto him.

At some point, the decision was almost ripe. The siloviki decided that if the United States and NATO countries were ready for a powerful response, then there would be only one way out: removing Putin from power. As a result, a collegial council of law enforcement agencies will be created, which will take control of the state into its own hands for a certain time. As planned, this was supposed to reduce the degree of tension of NATO and the United States, and as an excuse one could present either the decisions of a sick person, or the criminal laws of the leader of the Russian Federation. When in Russia they saw a weak reaction to the shelling of Poland, tensions began to subside. Until the next similar event...

Yes, it also seems to me that Turkey is one of the main beneficiaries of this conflict. 

In general, Turkey's foreign policy, in my opinion, is very reasonable.  Turkey is not at war with anyone, confidently defends its geopolitical interests, acquires new allies, strengthens its political and economic influence in the international arena. 

In the Turkish economy, as I understand it, not everything is good.  Gross domestic product is growing, but inflation is very high. 

But now all states have certain problems in the economy.

Recently US literary deployed US military servicemen into Ukraine claiming that they are deployed there to investigate the donated weapons that Ukraine corrupt politicians keep selling on the black market. So they may say in the media that they don't want "direct confrontation" but on the ground and in reality they are in direct confrontation with Russia at this point.

LOL.. Turkey always care about their own benefit. A large part of the Ukrainian grain will end up in Turkey and they will sell a part of it for good markup. They are providing shitty Bayraktar UAVs to Ukraine, but stopped the deliveries after the Ukrainians complained about their inefficiency. And they are dealing with Russia to make Turkey a hub for natural gas supplies to Europe. Along with Qatar, Turkey has benefitted immensely from this conflict. The longer this conflict goes on, that much advantageous for Turkey.

Today it was confirmed that the United States is actually avoiding entering into a direct confrontation with Russia. The Joe Biden administration confirmed that it urged Russia to extend the grain agreement, during the G-20 meeting. Today, confirmation came from the Russian Foreign Ministry, which called on the United States not to fuel the conflict and not to export certain weapons. Turkey welcomed the upcoming talks, arguing that Russia did not abandon the grain agreement, as evidenced by the fact that it allowed Ukrainian grain ships to reach global markets through Turkish mediation.

It is not worth taking into account the words of the representatives of Russia. There, the lie has completely turned into an instrument of domestic and foreign policy. On the question of whose rocket did fall on the territory of Poland, Ukraine insists on an objective investigation and admission of its representatives to the explosion site. According to Zelensky, an air defense missile could not leave a crater with a radius of 20 meters and a depth of 5 meters, as in this case. Also, even one type of missile differs in appearance and you can accurately determine whether it is used for ground strikes or as air defense. Such missiles are not produced in Ukraine. They may remain from the times of the USSR and therefore they will be marked "Made in the USSR", and in Russia, if it was produced after 1991 - "Made in Russia".
Many countries have stated that the responsibility for the missile explosion in Przevodovo lies with Russia in any case. After all, it was she who unleashed this bloody war. If there had been no Russian aggression, then the rockets in Poland would not have exploded.
There is nothing to even hope that with the onset of winter time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will suspend hostilities. This will not happen until the last Russian occupier leaves the territory of Ukraine within its generally recognized borders. The suspension of hostilities now will be beneficial only to Russia, which is in dire need of it to regroup its troops and prepare new attacks. Ukraine will not give Putin such a chance.

Isn't Ukraine using S300 and other Russian made air defense systems?! In any case whatever it was the infamous Sleepy Joe already confirmed that the missiles (not rockets) that hit Poland were from Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/biden-said-ukraine-air-defence-missile-responsible-poland-blast-nato-source-2022-11-16/

Russia made a statement that none of their air-strikes were located within 35 miles from the Poland border. It has been confirmed already that the missile was fired by the Ukrainian armed forces. NATO still wanted to blame Russia, by issuing a weird statement that although Ukraine had fired the missile, Russia was responsible for it. It is sad that two precious human lives were lost. Hopefully with the winter season starting soon, the fighting will come to a pause and a ceasefire agreement can be reached before the conflict resumes.

I agree completely! It seems that the bald terrorist decided once again to "take on the show" of NATO as a structure, and test fired on the territory of Poland, a NATO member, where, according to paragraph 5, all of NATO, was supposed to strike back, protecting the bloc member.
But ... at the top of NATO, they began to invent fabulous options - from this "Ukrainian missile of the air defense system" to "not everything is so simple." It is not difficult to identify a warhead, especially since a noticeable part of it remains. Air defense systems, even the self-destruction system did not work for them - it does not give such destruction (and judging by the funnel - more than one hundred explosives were detonated there). Anyway, let's leave on the conscience of those who are trying to pretend that nothing happened. The problem is different - before our eyes such institutions as the UN, the Red Cross "crap themselves". They were unable to perform the tasks for which they were created. We learned that agreements are worth nothing in the modern world. The same "Budapest Memorandum" is a claim not only to the terrorist country, but also to those who signed it, promising "to protect the inviolability of the borders and the security of Ukraine." Why did Ukraine give up nuclear weapons if in return it received only a worthless piece of paper ... And now we see that NATO is a "paper union", its articles are an empty phrase ... It's a shame for Poland, where people died, and no one will be punished for it...

The situation with the fall of two rockets in Przevodov in the Grubeshevsky district of Poland, which is ten kilometers from the border with Ukraine, as a result of which a farm was destroyed and two men were killed, is still controversial in the sense that there is no unambiguous answer to the question of whether these were Russian missiles, or Ukrainian ones, with which Ukraine shot down these attacking Russian missiles.

On November 15, Russia launched a massive missile attack on Ukrainian territory, firing some 97 cruise missiles at Ukrainian cities. Of these, 73 missiles were shot down by Ukrainian air defense. However, as a result of Russian strikes, more than 15 energy infrastructure facilities on the territory of Ukraine were damaged. Millions of Ukrainians were left without electricity.
In Poland, they say that, judging by the discovered remains of the rocket, it is Russian-made. But the United States has already stated that, according to their preliminary estimates, the missile that fell in Poland belongs to the Ukrainian air defense. According to President Joe Biden, this is evidenced by the trajectory of the missiles. It appears that the US is trying to avoid a direct military confrontation between NATO and Russia.

John McCain was hated by the rank and file GOP members until his death in 2018, and Gabbard is not a member of the GOP. The potential nominee should be acceptable to the GOP members, as well as to the independent voters. Someone like Gabbard will be a strict no-no, since the Baptist dominated Sothern states will reject her because of her religion. IMO, the best choice as of now is Ron DeSantis. He is capable of attracting votes from these two sectors. Compare the Florida results in 2022, to those in the previous elections and you will notice the impact made by DeSantis.

The GOP hoped for a "red wave", but things didn't turned out the way they hoped for. While people were angry with Democrats because of inflation, they chose to vote for them instead of the GOP to help defend our democracy. With the insurrection on Jan 2021, people would think twice before voting for the GOP again. The party has switched to the far-right (authoritarianism) side after Donald Trump became President of the United States. Would you imagine how disastrous would be for the world if the GOP takes control of both chambers of Congress, as well as, the White House? Funding for Ukraine would stop, giving Russia a victory over the war. Once that happens, it'll be the end of democracy for good.

You can see why most countries are helping Ukraine win the war against Russia. They're defending the core values of democracy by doing so. Of course, the global economy has been severely affected by the war. But that's the price we're all paying for in defense of world democracy. Even President Biden said so. I hope Ukraine defeats Russia to help end Putin's regime for good. Only then, everything will go back to normal (although COVID-19 still hasn't gone yet). No one knows what will happen in the future, so we can only hope for the best. Just my opinion