Topic: The Lightning Network FAQ - page 33. (Read 33426 times)

welcome n0nce to the c-lightning users, i am one too. if you mean here in the forum i am not sure, we maybe could make a poll for that at one point, but in general lnd seems to be used a lot more and has also the bigger community it seems

pretty much the reasons i also went with c-lightning

also especially because it seems that everyone is using lnd i went with c-lightning, cause i think it is important to have some diversity. i also see that on developer calls, that the 3 (or 4 if you count the rust implementation) implementations help each other to find bugs and be compliant with the rfcs. i just went with the minority (and not eclair cause that is written in java/scala which sounds bloat to me)

because the community / number of developers around c-lightning is much smaller than for lnd, some plugins are rotting away, but i like the fact, that a developer is free to choose his prefered language to write a plugin and is not forced to use go for it. i agree with you, i try to avoid nodejs and i am even hesitant using python in some cases (that might be a little bit extreme on my part)

rath_ switched from lnd to c-lightning - i asked him the following:

i am happy with c-lightning atm and don't feel like switching

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i stumbled the other day about this github issue for lnd. it seems that lnd doesn't run on 32 bit systems, after the size of the database gets bigger than 1 gb. and the last commenter there mentions that raspbian (used on raspberrypies) is a 32 bit system) - something to keep in mind when you run lightning on a rpi

Hey LN friends, I'm a c-lightning user for around half a year now, and I'm seriously debating about switching to lnd instead. What do you guys think is the cleaner solution? And what is the more commonly used implementation here?
I just hate hacked-together solutions and dirty code, since those are precursors of failed projects in 5-10 years time max.

I personally much prefer C over Go, and I hate Docker. Additionally, I noticed c-lightning was structured in a more minimalistic way for core functinality, with plugins for additional functionalities like HTTPS API etc., whereas in lnd it's all built-in - this to me at first sounds like bloat! Which I also hate! So I naturally went with c-lightning.

However, after a while of using the node and interacting with it, I noticed the plugin interface isn't as clean and bloat-free as I hoped: some plugins require me to install Node JS , they're all written in tons of different languages and often totally unmaintained for years.

So now, I'm thinking to deploy a new node, running lnd and trying to install it without Docker, straight from source.
Interested to hear your opinions and experiences!

As is pretty much everything in LN. So, if we follow the rules by the book, I think we are kind of safe.
I opened a dual funded channel myself with _Rath and I have now my node setup to advertise my available liquidity.

Everything seems fine so far. And if there is no one to use and to be the ones finding bugs and problems, then, we will never evolve.

well, yeah. It's just new is all, any bugs are not currently obvious, but that doesn't mean there aren't bugs. Time helps to be sure(r).

rath and me used it to open a channel and i think he used it again with someone else. even though it is marked as experimental, i think it is save to use. at least i haven't heard of any problems so far

yes, a few people started talking about dual-funding in this thread a couple months back, some even used it to make channels (apparently)

it's still accessed using --experimental-features in c-lightning, so craeful craeful etc

Hello.

I just wanted to make this available here as I'm not sure many of us are aware of this recent feature in C-Lightning nodes.
This is about the experimental feature of dual funding channels and advertising liquidity to the network.
There are some instructions on how to setup it up and configurations needed.

Hope it captivates interest of more C-Lightning users and help the network to grow, even for a bit!

https://medium.com/blockstream/setting-up-liquidity-ads-in-c-lightning-54e4c59c091d

It’s actually not. Whether Zion becomes a success, or a failure, it development can be used as an illustration of what can be built on top of the Lightning Network. But I’m the stupid one, maybe you’re right, or maybe my stupid and the idea’s stupid negates the stupid. - x - = +.

Lighning keeps growing, https://twitter.com/BitcoinIsaiah/status/1429983900043038721

It's been like that for most of the time anyway.


Yes, they are. Relay is actually what you need if you want your node to be able to work with Sphinx Chat.

Lightning Network Observer might be the news thread you are looking for - but don't quote me on that 

oh, okay. when searching, i only came across this ln thread and couldn't find a separate ln thread for news
i ask then the mods (gmaxwell & achow101) to move my post then in the appropriate ln-news-thread - thanks

this seems to be moving into "The Lightning Network News"

https://www.btctimes.com/news/lightning-network-growth-changing-bitcoin-payment-narrative

and when the Bitcoin law comes into force in el salvador at the beginning of september, several ln's will follow

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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/substack-is-now-accepting-bitcoin-payments-on-the-lightning-network-powered-by-bitcoin-payment-processor-opennode-301360039.html

with Substrack there is another service that will now also support the lightning network

There is also Sphinx Chat. It's been around for quite a while and anyone with LND node can use it. It works on the same principle as Zion and offers similar features.

What does it matter?

Same thing Facebook & MySpace do.

no it is not see below

right - and what did facebook and myspace both use? which network?

edit: the network bitcoin uses the internet to transfer information, but adds the possibility to transfer value, which is not possible on the internet itself. what does zion add to the internet network?

I said that it's a social media platform, not a network protocol. Facebook is/was an alternative of MySpace and it got it over simply because the implementation of a social media platform was more dedicated than it was with MySpace. Same thing may happen with Zion and that activity pub you mentioned.

Completely unrelated.

i am talking longterm. like looooongterm. globalisation, the internet and so on exists for a really short time

competition is awesome. but shops are not networks. in a network you don't want competition. you don't want 10 different chat apps (maybe 10 different apps, but using the same network!!). 10 different languages. networks are about communication and again in the longterm we will settle on one way to communicate. for language and value

myspace was not the network, the internet is!

the internet is the network for information and bitcoin is the network for value/truth

But, if you examine your example, you'll see where you're wrong. You can't discourage someone from using an alternative method just because there was another before.

If USD is the one dominating at the moment, shouldn't I use Bitcoin? Just because the majority uses USD, it doesn't mean that it's better than Bitcoin. Same applies for cryptocurrencies. If you want privacy, you shouldn't choose Bitcoin just because the majority of the cryptocurrency users does; you should pick Monero instead even if Bitcoin's market cap is a hundred and sixty times higher.

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And for comparison: MySpace was a social media platform which was made before Facebook while no one uses it anymore. It turns out that the greatest implementation of each invention is what makes the difference.

I am basing that solely on the info found on Zion's homepage. 

I am not sure what you consider long-term but there are different currencies and languages, and depending on where you are, it's you who need to adapt and not the other way around. You can try and shop with your dominant USD or EUR or whatever in a particular country and see how far that gets you. When I was doing some work in Germany a long time ago, I asked my boss if we can speak in English because I am fluent in English and still learning German. She said no! We speak German here. In other words, you can take your dominant English language and shove it. She just said it nicely.

So what? Since when is more competition not desirable? If I buy my groceries at shop #1, I should never enter shops #2 or #3 even if they have the same or better type of offers and should consider them stupid for trying?