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Topic: The Lightning Network FAQ - page 69. (Read 33852 times)

legendary
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฿uy ฿itcoin
February 17, 2020, 02:18:53 PM
I tried Zeus but for some reason it's not connecting to my node. I also tried connecting with Orbot active but that didn't make a difference.

No idea, I would think that it would be some connectivity issue to your node then since nothing is connecting to it.
I have no clue what to check :-(

If nobody can help you here, you might want to post on github to see if anyone can help there.

-Dave


I got Zap to work but only only local ip lndconnect uri (not Tor) so I can use Zap while on my WiFi. Tor is causing most issues I suppose so I'll wait until more compatible wallets become available.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
February 16, 2020, 07:58:53 AM
I tried Zeus but for some reason it's not connecting to my node. I also tried connecting with Orbot active but that didn't make a difference.

No idea, I would think that it would be some connectivity issue to your node then since nothing is connecting to it.
I have no clue what to check :-(

If nobody can help you here, you might want to post on github to see if anyone can help there.

-Dave
legendary
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฿uy ฿itcoin
February 15, 2020, 01:40:14 PM
I tried Zeus but for some reason it's not connecting to my node. I also tried connecting with Orbot active but that didn't make a difference.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
February 13, 2020, 09:19:32 PM
I am currently running an LND node (TOR). What is currently the most stable Android wallet that allows me to connect my own LND node? I tried Zap wallet but apparently there are issues with the Android version when running it on TOR.

Zeus is good.

https://zeusln.app/

I have never had it 100% stable on either tor or clearnet but, many people have so I figure that is more a Dave issue then a zeus issue.

-Dave
legendary
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฿uy ฿itcoin
February 13, 2020, 02:01:40 PM
I am currently running an LND node (TOR). What is currently the most stable Android wallet that allows me to connect my own LND node? I tried Zap wallet but apparently there are issues with the Android version when running it on TOR.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
February 13, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Not that anyone cares that much, but my node will be down again for a while later today or tomorrow as I replace a fan.
I am starting to think that it is cursed.
But at least I am getting good at yanking it apart in a hurry to re-do it.

If you are one of the few who has a channel open to me let me know if something does not come back up properly.

-Dave
legendary
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February 10, 2020, 07:02:20 AM
If LN would allow payments without first sending a payment request (I'm hoping future versions will allow this)
A hack for this which has been possible since the beginning is using circular payments.
The sendinvoiceless C-lightning plugin by Galizoltan allows this.

Otherwise there is keysend, as mentioned above.
But I wonder why everyone keeps calling this Sphinx.This is Sphinx (to me).

I also understand Sphinx to have zero relationship with invoiceless lightning payments, although I've not heard anyone saying it does up until now
sr. member
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Earn bitcoins every hour, link below at signature.
February 09, 2020, 11:28:20 PM
This is a very useful FAQ thread, but LN will need more time in order to see mass adoption, perhaps this will occur in 2024 when more people use bitcoin to buy, trade, or any type of btc tx, this will lead to people demanding for faster tx, then it will be time for LN to fully flourish.
sr. member
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February 09, 2020, 10:58:51 AM
If LN would allow payments without first sending a payment request (I'm hoping future versions will allow this)
A hack for this which has been possible since the beginning is using circular payments.
The sendinvoiceless C-lightning plugin by Galizoltan allows this.

Otherwise there is keysend, as mentioned above.
But I wonder why everyone keeps calling this Sphinx.This is Sphinx (to me).
legendary
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February 09, 2020, 07:52:57 AM
If LN would allow payments without first sending a payment request (I'm hoping future versions will allow this), it could be a very cool feature for a campaign that pays for every post. Combined with a scraper, you could literally be paid a few seconds after each post!

Actually, Lightning Labs has been working on Sphinx for over a year now. lncli sendpayment command was mentioned in the LND v0.9.0 changelog so I believe it's fully working now. Note that you might have to use lncli connect before attempting to send the payment.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
February 07, 2020, 11:03:32 PM
Ok guys my lightning node is up and running. Any strategies while opening channels? I'm not doing it for profit (i guess you can't make any significant profits with that low fees anyway) so wonder how much to put in a channel. I won't have any transactions from my side in the beginning, it will be only to interconnect different nodes and create better routes, later i may open some channels for transactions as well?

How about paying for campaigns trough LN? What you think, opening a channel with the campaign manager and close it when the campaign is over, just to boost a bit the LN?

You can always open one to me:

03400a67375da5d5d04dd59514452ce9f0cadb2fbec65863073897d52843b61c80@whacker.cas8.com:9735

Thinking about it; someone should probably start a thread where everyone here can post their LN info for other people here to open channels to.
Kind of keeping it in the family.

-Dave
legendary
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February 07, 2020, 02:02:59 PM
I won't have any transactions from my side in the beginning, it will be only to interconnect different nodes and create better routes, later i may open some channels for transactions as well?

You might find this Lightning Network node explorer useful for choosing which node to open a channel with.

How about paying for campaigns trough LN? What you think, opening a channel with the campaign manager and close it when the campaign is over, just to boost a bit the LN?

I am quite sure we have already discussed it at some point in the ChipMixer Signature Campaign thread. There is no need to open a direct channel to the campaign manager. Connecting to one of the most popular nodes would be enough (I'm not suggesting anything more complicated since I am quite sure that most campaign participants wouldn't bother that much). The participants would have to spend their earnings in order to make room for future incoming payments. That's the biggest problem. Also, the campaign manager would have to either use a third party service to refill the channel or open another one.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
February 07, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
How about paying for campaigns trough LN? What you think, opening a channel with the campaign manager and close it when the campaign is over, just to boost a bit the LN?
From a campaign manager's perspective, this is going to be annoying Tongue A "pay all" from a spreadsheet is much easier.

If LN would allow payments without first sending a payment request (I'm hoping future versions will allow this), it could be a very cool feature for a campaign that pays for every post. Combined with a scraper, you could literally be paid a few seconds after each post!
legendary
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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(
February 07, 2020, 01:49:46 PM
Ok guys my lightning node is up and running. Any strategies while opening channels? I'm not doing it for profit (i guess you can't make any significant profits with that low fees anyway) so wonder how much to put in a channel. I won't have any transactions from my side in the beginning, it will be only to interconnect different nodes and create better routes, later i may open some channels for transactions as well?

How about paying for campaigns trough LN? What you think, opening a channel with the campaign manager and close it when the campaign is over, just to boost a bit the LN?
sr. member
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Shinji bgt gwh
February 06, 2020, 10:06:06 PM
My point is indeed that isn’t even an opportunity cost.
Staking reward is something that is completely orthogonal to bitcoin protocol.
Opportunity cost Is Literally The Best What You Can't Get If You Are Choosing An Option
@Wind_fury Point Is Kinda Valid tho.
Instead Of Putting Our Bitcoin In Lightning Channel. We Can Use That Bitcoin For Something Better.(i.e buying Government bonds(ceteris paribus))
But, Some People Maybe Value The Advantage Of Running LN Nodes More Than The Opportunity Cost.
Implicit Benefit Exist, And It Varies On People. Running LN Nodes Doesn't Need To Be Profitable In Terms Of Money.
You Need To Differentiate Between accounting Profit And Economic Profit.
We Include Implicit Benefit On Economic Profit

no

please listen, I am telling you the following for the second time:

some people will happily eat the opportunity cost as a way to pay for the privacy benefits lightning channels can offer.


We don't know that. The asset used for opening channels are scarce, and when the demand for inbound capacity increases, the fee market will play out.
LN Fee Market Is Kinda Like Perfect Competition Market, Since There Are Very Little Barriers To Entry.(The Cost Of Hosting LN Nodes Is Pretty Small)
Unlike The Bitcoin Fee Market Where The Number Of Transactions Per Block are Limited, There are No Transaction Limit  On LN.
If Opening Channels Is Economically Profitable, Then Other People Will Open Their Channel.
If Opening Channels Is Economically Unprofitable, Then People Would Start Shutdown Their Channels.
At The End It Will Reach An Equilibrium Where The Economic Profit Of Opening LN Channels Is 0.
So The Fee Price Would Be Almost Constant(Regardless Of The Transaction In The Network)
legendary
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February 05, 2020, 03:14:17 AM
some people will happily eat the opportunity cost as a way to pay for the privacy benefits lightning channels can offer.


We don't know that. The asset used for opening channels are scarce, and when the demand for inbound capacity increases, the fee market will play out.

correction: _you_ don't know it, but only because you're mindlessly repeating your original (frankly, superficial) point without attempting to understand a subtler counterpoint


Excuse me, it's not a franky1 point. He misinforms, I learn. As annoying as I can be sometimes, sorry.




My point is indeed that isn’t even an opportunity cost.
Staking reward is something that is completely orthogonal to bitcoin protocol.


Opportunity cost definition, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

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When an option is chosen from alternatives, the opportunity cost is the "cost" incurred by not enjoying the benefit associated with the best alternative choice.[1] The New Oxford American Dictionary defines it as "the loss of potential gain from other alternatives when one alternative is chosen."[2] In simple terms, opportunity cost is the benefit not received as a result of not selecting the next best option.


If only you read the actual content of your links instead of posting them mindlessly:

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It is important to compare investment options that have a similar risk. Comparing a Treasury bill, which is virtually risk-free, to investment in a highly volatile stock can cause a misleading calculation. Both options may have expected returns of 5%, but the U.S. Government backs the rate of return of the T-bill, while there is no such guarantee in the stock market. While the opportunity cost of either option is 0 percent, the T-bill is the safer bet when you consider the relative risk of each investment.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/opportunitycost.asp


Hodling is significantly less risky than giving your Bitcoin to a third subject, using those bitcoin to do leverage investments, only to be paid a tiny amount.
So staking reward is not an opportuiniy cost.


But there's always an opportunity cost. It's impossible that there's none. Plus it's not about HODLING. Bitcoins in your wallet is devoid of opportunity costs because it's free working capital. I'm talking about Bitcoins staked/locked in Lightning payment channels.

Plus that quote from Investopedia? It's not about that there's no opportunity cost, it's about making misleading calculations. Don't get it out of context.
legendary
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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(
February 04, 2020, 07:49:18 AM
After ruining some time my bitcoin full node came the moment to install the Lightning node as well. I had to restart the bitcoin Node to find the new bitcoin.conf file, then I noticed in the debug.log that there are some refused connections.

Code:
2020-02-04T12:19:08Z socket send error An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.  (10054)
2020-02-04T12:21:12Z socket recv error An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.  (10054)
2020-02-04T12:21:17Z socket recv error An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.  (10054)
2020-02-04T12:22:36Z socket recv error An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.  (10054)
2020-02-04T12:23:02Z Potential stale tip detected, will try using extra outbound peer (last tip update: 1900 seconds ago)
2020-02-04T12:23:03Z New outbound peer connected: version: 70015, blocks=615939, peer=211 (full-relay)
2020-02-04T12:23:16Z UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000000104e54097ea27b2e9ab9f897bba9c077e347fd9c027f5f height=615940 version=0x20000000 log2_work=91.629188 tx=499712358 date='2020-02-04T12:23:13Z' progress=1.000000 cache=4.3MiB(31691txo) warning='61 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version'
2020-02-04T12:27:15Z Syncing txindex with block chain from height 293458
2020-02-04T12:27:29Z socket recv error An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host.  (10054)

The internet connection is stable, there should be no issues there. If this keeps going like this I'll route the node trough another ISP to see if those errors still persist.

The node is still syncing transactions with the blockchain after the restart (thanks to txindex=1 option)so I guess this is why I'm getting a Eclair error.
Code:
No such mempool transaction eclair blockchain transactions are still in the progress of being indexed,.. bla bla

Saw in the Eclair.conf that there's a port 8332, I guess i have to open the port in firewall, like for the bitcoin port 8333, right?

Code:
eclair.bitcoind.rpcport=8332

Running the last version of Eclair-  0.3.3
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
February 04, 2020, 07:00:21 AM
But the asset for opening channels is scarce. No one will, or can, "just join".
People "HODL" millions of Bitcoins. I wouldn't call that scarce in the sense that there are no people who can create a LN node, but it will depend on the risk/reward ratio LN can provide.
At the moment I'd say the rewards aren't worth the risk of taking funds out of cold storage.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
February 04, 2020, 06:36:23 AM
Pardon my ignorance guys, But any of you heard about this so called: LSATs: Pseudonymous Authentication using Bitcoin Lightning Payments? What's your thoughts about this one? Good idea or what?

https://medium.com/tierion/lsats-pseudonymous-authentication-using-bitcoin-lightning-payments-459e209b4b36

The idea is a bit weird, but quite interesting. But there are 2 things that hinder this idea
1. The cost to open/close LN channel to perform authentication, low on-chain transaction (1 sat/byte) condition doesn't happen all the time. While you could route the transaction to lower the cost, it's not always possible.
2. If user is being careless, the service could collect some metadata which reduce overall privacy
legendary
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February 04, 2020, 04:10:10 AM
why are you focusing on just 1 dimension of this issue



Sorry, couldn' resist.


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