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May 06, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Only gambling addicts understand the feeling aka adrenaline rush after huge wins and our brain look for same taste after playing casino games. We keep looking for dopamine no matter it happens on huge slot multipliers or on original house games, some guys don't even respect their red line and keep depositing to win back losses. Only small portion of gambling addicts get back what they lost btw, sad but true.
Yes, the feeling when you are winning is the feeling that cannot be stop so easily. Winning consecutively will give you too much adrenaline that if you will continue to play and play you might now missed that feeling, we need to manage our emotions because all us might be the subject of addiction some other people still play regularly but I can't say they are addicted, maybe when the time comes that they don't have money anymore and started to sell of their things or they started to disturb other people.
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May 06, 2023, 07:03:44 AM
People all deal with losses in their own way. The term addiction is of course often used, but when exactly is someone addicted? You can't link certain standards to that. Someone who plays with bets of 1 euro and does this for hours every day is also addicted. But someone who loses 100k in a match once a month and does not gamble further, is in principle not addicted? Of course, the aggression is expressed much earlier in someone who loses a lot of money, but that also makes sense. However, many gamblers are only gambling online and if they lose no one will notice that aggression quickly.
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May 06, 2023, 06:57:23 AM
I think gambling is better to quit if you can't control it by gambling he lost hundreds of times more money than he won. Gambling is an addiction in which you will always be in a daze, you will feel like playing this one more time, taking the profit, and not playing again. Then when you win you will say let's play for the last time when you lose everything while playing for the last time you will say, I will take the original and resign from gambling. Then that last time will leave you destitute.
That's roughly like the general picture that happens to people who gamble. The first time he had a different experience and wanted to do it again because, at that time, he could get the win. But it turned out that he couldn't win at all on the second occasion and wanted to do it again on the third occasion. On the third occasion, he could only get a small victory that made him want to continue the game. This will slowly make him addicted to finding something challenging to beat. And, of course, he would use more money to try his luck every time he lost. If you can't control it, it's better to walk away from gambling and never come back. Otherwise, you will experience a gambling addiction you don't know about. So before it's too late, think about what you've got in gambling. And if it's bad for you, it's better to leave than you lose all your money.
Addiction? Who's got time for that? Keep rollin' till the money stacks up, right?   Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

That's what gambling's all about, no? Jokes aside, though, gambling addiction ain't a laughing matter. Starts off innocent enough – just killing time, then bam! You're tossing your life's worth at a one-armed bandit, praying for a windfall. So take it from our pal here, know when to bow out. Better to pocket some change than end up penniless and hooked on the gamble.
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May 06, 2023, 01:59:23 AM
Generally those elder people will act more responsible in their life but there is exception in everything and this poor guy tried something probably inspired from a story somewhere and try to replicate the same but at the end it backfired. Since you mentioned there is not much enough details reported by news so we can't really conclude that is the reality or not but at the end of the day the person committed violence is paying back now in prison probably for the rest of his life.

The story looks very odd as grandparents are those who look after their grandchildren more and not kidnapping them. Maybe they don't give the man money and he has problem he needs to solved with money then saw this as the only way out.

Then after he was caught, he used the gambling story to cover up as kidnapping your own child just to get ransom to gamble doesn't sound realistic. Why don't he just take the ransom and use for himself instead if gambling again.

I know gambling addict are very unpredictable as they can do anything to keep on gambling but this stories doesn't sound like something a grandfather will do. Maybe if the relationship wasn't very close like a cousin or someone else I'll believe the story.
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May 05, 2023, 04:29:09 PM
I think gambling is better to quit if you can't control it by gambling he lost hundreds of times more money than he won. Gambling is an addiction in which you will always be in a daze, you will feel like playing this one more time, taking the profit, and not playing again. Then when you win you will say let's play for the last time when you lose everything while playing for the last time you will say, I will take the original and resign from gambling. Then that last time will leave you destitute.
That's roughly like the general picture that happens to people who gamble. The first time he had a different experience and wanted to do it again because, at that time, he could get the win. But it turned out that he couldn't win at all on the second occasion and wanted to do it again on the third occasion. On the third occasion, he could only get a small victory that made him want to continue the game. This will slowly make him addicted to finding something challenging to beat. And, of course, he would use more money to try his luck every time he lost. If you can't control it, it's better to walk away from gambling and never come back. Otherwise, you will experience a gambling addiction you don't know about. So before it's too late, think about what you've got in gambling. And if it's bad for you, it's better to leave than you lose all your money.
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May 05, 2023, 03:03:14 PM
I can never give such a person credit. Someone that gambling matters to than the happiness of his family. I hope other addicted people can learn from this, that gambling can not give them anything but than to be losing more and more if addicted. Our elders should be good examples and role models.
You are right gambling can not give anything good. Once person become addicted in gambling they are not easy to go away. They always want to win and they become greedy. Because the one cause of gambling is greedy for money. They want to gamble because they want big win until they realize that they are becoming addicted.
I think gambling is better to quit if you can't control it by gambling he lost hundreds of times more money than he won. Gambling is an addiction in which you will always be in a daze, you will feel like playing this one more time, taking the profit, and not playing again. Then when you win you will say let's play for the last time when you lose everything while playing for the last time you will say, I will take the original and resign from gambling. Then that last time will leave you destitute.

actually, it is not appropriate to say stop gambling in this thread, gambling will not destroy your life if you do it responsibly [Gamble Responsibly], image destroyers about gambling are people like the case in the OP, gambling has changed a lot of a person's life in just 1 night (although some have changed for the better or for the worse). I myself will continue to gamble, I'm not addicted to it, self-control is the main key.
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May 05, 2023, 08:05:57 AM
He was being innovative and showing initiative in figuring out how to continue to gamble. Give the guy some credit lol. 
I can never give such a person credit. Someone that gambling matters to than the happiness of his family. I hope other addicted people can learn from this, that gambling can not give them anything but than to be losing more and more if addicted. Our elders should be good examples and role models.
You are right gambling can not give anything good. Once person become addicted in gambling they are not easy to go away. They always want to win and they become greedy. Because the one cause of gambling is greedy for money. They want to gamble because they want big win until they realize that they are becoming addicted.
I think gambling is better to quit if you can't control it by gambling he lost hundreds of times more money than he won. Gambling is an addiction in which you will always be in a daze, you will feel like playing this one more time, taking the profit, and not playing again. Then when you win you will say let's play for the last time when you lose everything while playing for the last time you will say, I will take the original and resign from gambling. Then that last time will leave you destitute.
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May 05, 2023, 12:23:37 AM
Addiction can't easily be forgotten. Let us say that person stops gambling and is being rehabilitated, it doesn't mean that he is totally healed from addiction. Because that person still has the chance to become addicted again when remembering the past and especially, if he did nothing in his life. That is why it is necessary for them to become busy with other things and have their attention and focus on it so they couldn't remember what they are doing in the past and most of all, it was important to regularly engage them in physical activities.
it all depends on each gambler whether they really have the desire to recover from gambling. I will take an example from myself.
I used to be a gambling addict around 2018 and that I really became an addict who was crazy to lose all my money and valuables but I had the desire to stop gambling and a strong determination to avoid gambling and was helped by a woman who is now my wife. even though at this time I am still back to gambling but I can control more when gambling and always plan a gambling budget without involving income money from RL only using money from this sigcam. so losing money at gambling is not a problem for me.

and I can conclude that gambling addicts have a mindset about big money and money that they want to get. If a gambling addict who is in rehabilitation then gets positive work activities to make money to open his own business, it will change his mindset to focus on work without having time to think about gambling.
so positive activities are very important during rehabilitation.
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May 04, 2023, 11:46:36 PM

 Nobody can help them but they themselves, if someone is on the verge of collapsing due to addiction, he or she should realized that he has already stepped into something with no return. I also think the the stages of grief could be apply on this situation since one should be able to accept that he is addicted before voluntarily asking/seeking for help to his closest one or someone he could trust. I have seen so many people forcing their loved ones inside the rehabilitation and in the end there is not that much improvement since they couldn't accept that they are addicted while adding the fact that they felt betrayed by how their families forced them inside to change as if they are being abandoned. From what I have observed just like alcohol, out 10 who were being rehabilitated, there are only 3 in most cases who changed while the rest came back to their old habits or stayed inside the center. Although it is not that accurate prediction I know for sure that it is not the main solution for addiction.
Addiction can't easily be forgotten. Let us say that person stops gambling and is being rehabilitated, it doesn't mean that he is totally healed from addiction. Because that person still has the chance to become addicted again when remembering the past and especially, if he did nothing in his life. That is why it is necessary for them to become busy with other things and have their attention and focus on it so they couldn't remember what they are doing in the past and most of all, it was important to regularly engage them in physical activities.
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May 04, 2023, 11:37:58 PM
They will look for money from anywhere to use it to gamble. Gambling addiction can lead to crime because of the urge to have money that will later be used for gambling. If the person doesn't get help soon, he will get worse and may borrow money from other people to gamble. If that happened, he could get into even bigger trouble especially if he couldn't repay the loan. If we see a member of our family experiencing gambling addiction and we know, we must immediately help him so that it doesn't get worse. So he can immediately cure his gambling addiction.

But how do we help them? I mean, when we see a relative or friend that's a gambling addict, how do we help this person?
Just saying "help them" is not helping without actually knowing what to do. Because if I'm being honest, if I see a gambling addict, I won't know how to help him. It's not like I can just tell them to stop and they will stop. Addiction is way deeper than that. It's hard to get rid of an addiction.

Gambling addiction if not managed always ends up putting the addict in debt no matter how rich they may be because if it gets too deep it will get to a level that where you will have to borrow to gamble and slowly it begins to get worst.
At least, we can try to chat with him personally and say that we see a change in him and clarify our point. Maybe he can accept it, especially if we say it nicely and without intention. And from there, we can try to offer help to help him, whether it's helping him take his mind off gambling, inviting him to create a new, different habit, visiting a psychiatrist or something else.

If we are honest and open and have good intentions to help sincerely, they will see for themselves and be able to accept our intentions so they can get help immediately. Gambling addiction can create many problems for him and will not end easily. So we should try to help him out of his troubles.
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May 04, 2023, 11:21:51 PM
They will look for money from anywhere to use it to gamble. Gambling addiction can lead to crime because of the urge to have money that will later be used for gambling. If the person doesn't get help soon, he will get worse and may borrow money from other people to gamble. If that happened, he could get into even bigger trouble especially if he couldn't repay the loan. If we see a member of our family experiencing gambling addiction and we know, we must immediately help him so that it doesn't get worse. So he can immediately cure his gambling addiction.

But how do we help them? I mean, when we see a relative or friend that's a gambling addict, how do we help this person?
Just saying "help them" is not helping without actually knowing what to do. Because if I'm being honest, if I see a gambling addict, I won't know how to help him. It's not like I can just tell them to stop and they will stop. Addiction is way deeper than that. It's hard to get rid of an addiction.

Gambling addiction if not managed always ends up putting the addict in debt no matter how rich they may be because if it gets too deep it will get to a level that where you will have to borrow to gamble and slowly it begins to get worst.
Other than giving them your full support once they acknowledge they are addicted to gambling and they decide to do something about it there is not much you can do, because even if for every single person around them is incredibly obvious that they have some gambling issues, if they do not take the decision to change by themselves you will never be able to help them, and this is what can be so exasperating for the family members and friends of an addicted person, as they are completely powerless to help their loved ones and they have to watch them wasting their lives for years until they finally decide to change.
I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion there my friend. Nobody can help them but they themselves, if someone is on the verge of collapsing due to addiction, he or she should realized that he has already stepped into something with no return. I also think the the stages of grief could be apply on this situation since one should be able to accept that he is addicted before voluntarily asking/seeking for help to his closest one or someone he could trust. I have seen so many people forcing their loved ones inside the rehabilitation and in the end there is not that much improvement since they couldn't accept that they are addicted while adding the fact that they felt betrayed by how their families forced them inside to change as if they are being abandoned. From what I have observed just like alcohol, out 10 who were being rehabilitated, there are only 3 in most cases who changed while the rest came back to their old habits or stayed inside the center. Although it is not that accurate prediction I know for sure that it is not the main solution for addiction.
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May 04, 2023, 11:14:58 PM
I think it's a bit strange when the family doesn't know, because a gambler will definitely show unusual behavior, such as their money running out quickly or other things related to money. For me personally, from there, questions started to arise, why did his money run out so quickly, for example, and that could be the start of following up on what he was actually doing. I don't think it's possible for a gambling addict not to exhibit unusual habits, especially in financial terms.
Not everyone can be open with other people even though it is their own family, if a gambling addict is a closed person then it is impossible for his family to know how financial he has so it is difficult to find out.
On the other hand, I believe not many people want to tell or show their finances because this stage is a privacy that is so guarded.
Yes, it is clear that gambling activities and addiction can be shown when someone holds a cellphone or uses a PC all the time while gambling because a gambling addict can spend a very long time using a cellphone or PC for them to play.
Indeed, in this case, not everyone can be open, but when they are still living with their parents, in fact, if the parents really care about the child's unnatural behavior, it can actually be seen under any circumstances.
Unless the parents don't really care. But indeed in this case, especially from the point of view of the parents who have indeed freed this, maybe this is one of the reasons because in this case, when we as children are adults, there will definitely be privacy, which of course must be maintained.
People who gamble are well aware of their privacy. They understand very well that how they manage gambling, their parents or guardians will not know about their gambling. In this case, his parents should be more careful than those gamblers. Keep a close eye on what they are doing or where they are spending most of their time. Otherwise they will not be able to bring their children in the right truck. If a child is addicted to gaming then it becomes very difficult to get him back from it.
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May 04, 2023, 09:46:42 PM
They will look for money from anywhere to use it to gamble. Gambling addiction can lead to crime because of the urge to have money that will later be used for gambling. If the person doesn't get help soon, he will get worse and may borrow money from other people to gamble. If that happened, he could get into even bigger trouble especially if he couldn't repay the loan. If we see a member of our family experiencing gambling addiction and we know, we must immediately help him so that it doesn't get worse. So he can immediately cure his gambling addiction.

But how do we help them? I mean, when we see a relative or friend that's a gambling addict, how do we help this person?
Just saying "help them" is not helping without actually knowing what to do. Because if I'm being honest, if I see a gambling addict, I won't know how to help him. It's not like I can just tell them to stop and they will stop. Addiction is way deeper than that. It's hard to get rid of an addiction.

Gambling addiction if not managed always ends up putting the addict in debt no matter how rich they may be because if it gets too deep it will get to a level that where you will have to borrow to gamble and slowly it begins to get worst.
Other than giving them your full support once they acknowledge they are addicted to gambling and they decide to do something about it there is not much you can do, because even if for every single person around them is incredibly obvious that they have some gambling issues, if they do not take the decision to change by themselves you will never be able to help them, and this is what can be so exasperating for the family members and friends of an addicted person, as they are completely powerless to help their loved ones and they have to watch them wasting their lives for years until they finally decide to change.
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May 04, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
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It seems to me that this man's behavior cannot be justified, no matter what nation or creed he may belong to. You can't blame his environment for his gambling addiction to this extent. We make the world around us, and if he wanted to, he was not surrounded by gambling, but by walking in the park with his granddaughter. He chose to gamble and brought himself to what I would call an inadequate state.

Try to keep an eye on your relatives because such stories can happen to anyone.
His activity can't be justified. When we gamble, it shouldn't affect the surrounding. What the old man have done is really bad and it is time for him to walk with his granddaughter and play with her. What he have done is completely opposite to it. Beyond certain age it is time to take rest and not to get pressurized. Surely while losing, he could've felt bad and his health might've got weakened. As mentioned everyone needs to be careful handling their kids, because we don't know the state of mind people have. It can be relatives, close ones or friends, addiction can take them to any extent.
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May 04, 2023, 05:09:52 PM
They will look for money from anywhere to use it to gamble. Gambling addiction can lead to crime because of the urge to have money that will later be used for gambling. If the person doesn't get help soon, he will get worse and may borrow money from other people to gamble. If that happened, he could get into even bigger trouble especially if he couldn't repay the loan. If we see a member of our family experiencing gambling addiction and we know, we must immediately help him so that it doesn't get worse. So he can immediately cure his gambling addiction.

But how do we help them? I mean, when we see a relative or friend that's a gambling addict, how do we help this person?
Just saying "help them" is not helping without actually knowing what to do. Because if I'm being honest, if I see a gambling addict, I won't know how to help him. It's not like I can just tell them to stop and they will stop. Addiction is way deeper than that. It's hard to get rid of an addiction.

Gambling addiction if not managed always ends up putting the addict in debt no matter how rich they may be because if it gets too deep it will get to a level that where you will have to borrow to gamble and slowly it begins to get worst.
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May 04, 2023, 05:05:39 PM
The problem is how you put gambling, if done only for fun in spare time is not a problem. But when gambling is done as a substitute for permanent work, this will be far more problematic and it is very difficult to control, the decision is in each of us and as much as possible avoid addiction in gambling.
Indeed, my friend. It all depends on how you interpret your gambling experiences. If you view them as something you do every day, you'll inevitably become dependent on them. Although what @lizarder said is the right course of action, if you gamble regularly, you run the risk of becoming addicted. Which, in my opinion, will result in a variety of outcomes because no one can control it any longer, especially for some young people who have no other employment options.Since they have nothing else to do besides spend what little money they have on gambling, I think that some people must be addicted to it. Once their money runs out, they may then engage in dishonest activities like scamming, robbing people of their property, or selling their own possessions.
Basically  I've seen and I know people who are full time gamblers and are doing extremely  well in it and just as you said and I agree that gambling  addiction  is solely  dependent  on the gamblers choice and not just because he gambles everyday.
One of the major reasons I think people get easier addicted in gambling  is the fact that they tend to chase after their losses and get sk carried  away and if you'll  agree with me that the act of chasing after  losses has never yielded any positive  result but mostly negative  results and possibly blowing bof account.
I think the man who wanted to kidnap his granddaughter  should be taken for a mental check up  to know what actually is wrong with him rather than just making  conclusions.
^Definitely right, chasing losses is indeed a common trap that many gamblers fall into, and it is probably already aware of this behavior in order to prevent it from leading to negative results such as a blown account or even addiction. When there is someone who commits a crime because of gambling addiction, it is certainly concerning behavior and could potentially indicate underlying mental health issues. It's important for him to receive a proper evaluation to determine the root cause of his actions, rather than making assumptions or jumping to conclusions.
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May 04, 2023, 04:41:13 PM
The problem is how you put gambling, if done only for fun in spare time is not a problem. But when gambling is done as a substitute for permanent work, this will be far more problematic and it is very difficult to control, the decision is in each of us and as much as possible avoid addiction in gambling.
Indeed, my friend. It all depends on how you interpret your gambling experiences. If you view them as something you do every day, you'll inevitably become dependent on them. Although what @lizarder said is the right course of action, if you gamble regularly, you run the risk of becoming addicted. Which, in my opinion, will result in a variety of outcomes because no one can control it any longer, especially for some young people who have no other employment options.Since they have nothing else to do besides spend what little money they have on gambling, I think that some people must be addicted to it. Once their money runs out, they may then engage in dishonest activities like scamming, robbing people of their property, or selling their own possessions.
Basically  I've seen and I know people who are full time gamblers and are doing extremely  well in it and just as you said and I agree that gambling  addiction  is solely  dependent  on the gamblers choice and not just because he gambles everyday.
One of the major reasons I think people get easier addicted in gambling  is the fact that they tend to chase after their losses and get sk carried  away and if you'll  agree with me that the act of chasing after  losses has never yielded any positive  result but mostly negative  results and possibly blowing bof account.
I think the man who wanted to kidnap his granddaughter  should be taken for a mental check up  to know what actually is wrong with him rather than just making  conclusions.
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May 04, 2023, 04:10:07 PM
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It seems to me that this man's behavior cannot be justified, no matter what nation or creed he may belong to. You can't blame his environment for his gambling addiction to this extent. We make the world around us, and if he wanted to, he was not surrounded by gambling, but by walking in the park with his granddaughter. He chose to gamble and brought himself to what I would call an inadequate state.

Try to keep an eye on your relatives because such stories can happen to anyone.

Family members could have seen it coming but not this kidnapping. The grandpa must have show signs of his addiction and probably ask money to babysit the kid for awhile. Thinking he could gamble after getting his fee all the time. Its not so far fetch to think can't wait to get back to his usual gambling spree so he just ask for ransom as its the same as winning a lumpsum.
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May 04, 2023, 03:30:43 PM
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It seems to me that this man's behavior cannot be justified, no matter what nation or creed he may belong to. You can't blame his environment for his gambling addiction to this extent. We make the world around us, and if he wanted to, he was not surrounded by gambling, but by walking in the park with his granddaughter. He chose to gamble and brought himself to what I would call an inadequate state.

Try to keep an eye on your relatives because such stories can happen to anyone.
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May 04, 2023, 02:38:14 PM

I think it's a bit strange when the family doesn't know, because a gambler will definitely show unusual behavior, such as their money running out quickly or other things related to money. For me personally, from there, questions started to arise, why did his money run out so quickly, for example, and that could be the start of following up on what he was actually doing. I don't think it's possible for a gambling addict not to exhibit unusual habits, especially in financial terms.
But then again, Asian Families are tight-knit, and if you don't have any probable cause, most of the time your relatives will dismiss any allegations against you and may even defend your name, even if it's a transgression you committed against them. I could see the parents of the kid being suspicious and doubtful of the man's actions especially during the days of the kidnapping, but needed verifiable evidence that the kid is indeed within his care (for a lack of a better word). Could also see this guy concealing his addiction from the people around him or the other way around which may have lead people to suspect him as the kidnapper and apprehend him in the process.

Basically, it's all ahout culture and tradition.
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