Topic: THE ONLY ALTS THAT ARE REAL PROJECTS HERE !!!!---------CURRENT JULY 2018!! POLL! - page 20. (Read 10610 times)

When DASH evolution comes out, it's going to be the paypal killer.
Then DASH will is one of next big thing for us in 2018.
More and more surprise will come with it

Awesome post. Actually this is quite educational and interesting to many i'm sure. You don't even have to leave this thread for a nice over view of some of the projects design features and strengths.

These kind of posts actually do assist people in making up their minds to vote and it would be great if others made some posts like this about the other REAL projects. I know BB is so radically different perhaps from btc that it needs greater explanation since many of the others are based loosely around btcs design. But still a detailed hightlight of each project would be great.

1000 votes would be great. I have not seen many polls here reach that I think a few have. Perhaps over time we can exceed that and also scour for every REAL project out there. If we could (big if) grow this thread to be a real pit of analysis that separates real from vapor (not meaning they will never exist just do not yet) and outright schemes and scams it would encourage other projects to distribute well and produce working functional projects with real use cases as quickly as possible.

Also if we hear even a hint of scam or bad news coming along they can be removed and a warning placed straight away.

I get what you are saying about sock puppets too. I guess the only way would be to not have poll like this ..but the poll is created after review of view cast on thread and background analysis on each account especially low post new accounts, then the OP is updated manually. This would be quite considerable work and also still not 100%. Would be far more accurate though.

Perhaps there is one more point I can drive home about Byteballs design. It took me a while to see it and it is actually very fundamental. It is a point about Bitcoins relation to its mining pools: Bitcoin is as centralized as the central organizing/coordinating device of a mining pool.

Saying Byteball is centralized because of the witnesses is a doubtfull argument because:
A Bitcoin mining pool with 51% is the chain. Thats why they need to have several for decentralisation and it is mere social agreement that 51% is "Bad", but it certainly is centralisation. A (block)chain/line is the simplest geometry to represent TIME!
A witness shows direction of the DAG (directed Acyclo "meaning not ring/round" Graph) and therefore prevents cyclical states in the graph (No time/No Progression). So do the other witnesses and inform each other that they told some of the Byteball Bytes what time it is (by posting "units"/please refer to whitepaper for technical). Knowing time prevents the double spend. It also makes transactions fast fast fast.
In a sense you do everything yourself. No pool no nothing. But your witness tells you WHEN! you did it. So you know about NOW! Thats consensus.
Its fundamental. Its stupidly simple. Yet all Blockchains basically are a stupid linear clocks that hashes like crazy to prove you have done work and say what happend last. Because thats also how you distribute the Bitcoins and call it reward. And all you can do is walk a line and be in a chain. Thats why I call POW coins prisioners of work.

Byteballs 12 witness (the number is arbitrary and could be changed up or down within some limits) only sounds centralized. Perhaps it is not all arbitrary because we used 12 to tell time for a good portion of history. Would you really need even 12 Bitcoin Pools???

In the current state of Bitcoin you could almost stop the network by strategically taking out the mining pool coordinators of the biggest pool one after the other. In a sense Bitcoingold with its difficulty re-adjustment every block is no mear snake oil and may very well be way ahead of bitcoin ("Classic") if certain anti pool cenarios come to pass.... Likelyhood almost 0 unless someone wants to see crypto burn and goes after the pools.

I mined in a pool with a hd5830 when it still made sense and I already did point out how the Bitcoin Eco system did progress down to ASIC clusters mining lords that meet to agree and disagree on protocol changes (Segwit etc.) or forks.
For me bitcoin always was "the protocol". The mining pools were a way to contribute and recieve airdrop for the contribution. I never questioned the "why" because it was just the way it was. You have to mine and thats how you contribute and thats how you decentralise.


These 3 things:
1. decentralisation
2. distribution/Mining reward/airdrop and
3. contribution/community
where one thing.

Byteball has restructured them. Somewhat similar, somewhat radically different and somehow way more effective.

And it is by this that it is also no coincidence that the Byteball community is friendly, helpfull and not diseased with hype and buzz. A calm sense of progress is so symptomatic for Byteballs community and its organic growth. This is why so much was achieved in one year. 2018 may very well be a good year for Byteball. It takes time to be noticed by those who just have attention for the next Buzz. And why ask for attention If you can use it to grow the project?
Sorry if this implies a certain critic around the nature of this very thread   It is not intended because getting 1000 votes is a worthy goal.

Let every sock puppet have a vote. Eventually we will trade fundamentals and Byteball will get over the pain of fast deployment (that Airdrop pressed on the value hard!). After all, magick internet money will be magick internet money.

...Listens to the song of the 🐋🐋 🐋 🐋 🐋 .....

I see the Altcoin option, and I chose Byteball, because I saw Byteball very well in their trades, I believe Byteball is a very good future to invest, but that's just my opinion because I still survive in Byteball trading until now.

Blocknet

Technically not an altcoin but I'm going to go ahead and nominate CRYPTOKITTIES to the poll.

1. First blockchain game on Ethereum
2. First ever DAPP that, while pushing ethereum's transaction scaling issues, is a great example of why ethereum is a real working platform for smart contracts and dapps
3. Appealing to a massive demographic that allow's newcomers get familiarized with crypto in a fun and friendly way

Good information there.

Nice to get discussions going regarding the listed projects.

I am not a skilled conceptual designer nor coder actually not even technical enough to understand these designs at a deep or even semi deep level.

So it's nice to get cliff notes and descriptions of the tech given by different people.



I always wondered about xby if that was anything novel and worth a look. However I asked on another thread and someone said it was a load of ...how did he put it now..... " word salad" and hand waving. So that did sound promising at all since the guy sounded pretty much like a crypto buff.

Of course always good to have a 2nd opinion though. Anyone else analysed this who has the skill set to determine if it is design worth looking at? or just a load of word salad and nonsense?

Could be one under the radar although again not sure about the distribution of that either.

Thank you, I was beginning to question my sanity because of "their" CMC spike in the last 48 hours. I was almost about to give a shit.

Honestly though, DAG1 isn't DAG2. Just like "democracy" 1 isn't the same as "democracy" 2.

@justin b. : Best of luck. Currently you should be more than compensated. Hope you know how a prisioners dillemma works. Hope you will never need the knowledge.

Centralisation in DAGs in general is somewhat new territory. I have heared conversations that pointed out that a DAG is by definition centralized and Byteball is the most centralized project among them all.

Weirdly enough being a Byteball witness is a loosing proposition because the tiny tiny "oh god" transaction cost, a guardian against spam/floud (remember it can and will scale and so will the floud) does not yet cover your expenses. Therefore Anton Churyumoff (Byteball lead developer) still runs most of the witenesses, except 2.

And noone is applying as far as I know. Why am I not concerned? Because their are enough hubs. And turning a hub into a witness is according to one of the witnesses (@portabella) trivial. Except you expect the witnesses to be "always on"! Any one user only needs one witness

By the way, a witeness cannot change a transaction. Just
validate seniority by timestamp.

These puppets are everywhere and far too obvious.

Lets not let them distract us by unproven centralised tech

IOTA's security was badly broken, their devs are not trustworthy. Even if IOTA was not an obvious pump-and-dump ICO scam they would still not deserve to be in this list due to the low quality of their code.

Iota being mentioned by iota sock puppet .... oh its justin beibers

try reading the OP

No coins in the top 10 (even fake volume fake price ones)
No untested centralised tech
No schemes or scams.

But thanks for the bump. However if iota (when iota) crashed out of the top 10 if the community wanted it listed here I would add it after voicing my opinion loudly about it. Still it the majority wanted it here it would be listed.

We are trying to find

Decentralised trustless projects with a real use case that are not in the top 10. If you know of any and can stop spamming a centralised hyped schemes for just one of your posts feel free to suggest one.

No IOTA listed... oh it's its cryptohunter

Byteball platform
This project looks interesting since start, and looks very solid and will surely reach the top very soon
I admired this coin's dev. Very nice system, - Completely new technology directed acyclic graph (DAG)

Unbounded scalability, fast confirmations, no miners, no blocks, low fees.
Byteball enables trust where trust couldn’t exist before.

thanks. please come back and vote when able to do so

I am unable to vote due to low voting privileges but if I could would definitely vote for Byteball. i will not repeat what others have said, such as @saintflow, as I feel he covered most fundamental points. Byteball and DAG is lined up for a great 2018!

Not sure about that one but lay out the proposal like the others have and as the OP demonstrates for community review.

I would say Eash.:)check https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/e-a-s-h-2378605， their free airdrop is now open.

We will never miss any of these coins if they fit the criteria of REAL projects as defined in the OP.

I suspect some or all of those should be there but each one needs to be presented as specified in the OP because I do not have time to analyse every single project especially the initial distribution of them which is key. Also does omg , lisk, ark have fully functioning core products that are usable right now?

They for sure may well have but I have not checked.

This thread is a community effort.

The person who suggests a project should use the layout as other have for easy verification by other community members.

If a coin gets added on false infomation then other community members notice this it can be removed.

So that's the reason why we do it like this.

These are all questions not saying I have currently the answers.

I own a bit of each of most of those but I have not kept current with any of them in particular.

Any project can be added or removed we just need to get enough people in here to fully analyse each one to make sure they can meet the criteria in the OP to be classed as a REAL project.

Having said that your list looks to have a lot of promise and if you do not have the time I hope others will take note of each of these and present it in the format others have done so they can be analysed and added... or then later analysed and removed depending on what comes to light.

Interesting, you missed some of the biggest altcoin, which will be sky rocket in 2018.
1. Lumen (XLM)
2. Lisk
3. OMG
4. Neo
5. Ark

Yes blocknet - if they can get the UI and lite version out soon and get even a small adoption this project will explode. Like any project here even these REAL ones there is still no guarantees. But for sure they have come a long way and I have high hopes myself.

A real essential part of the decentralised trustless puzzle will be complete with blocknet and other real atomic dex.

Although for sure it is fully operational but it will be better x 100 when they have the lite version and more intuitive UI... hopefully soon.

thanks to everyone keeping this thread alive with voting reports and even those discussing projects we have already listed.

I'm sure more projects will be submitted so and don't forget anyone can change their votes if they spot projects later that they prefer.