Topic: THE ONLY ALTS THAT ARE REAL PROJECTS HERE !!!!---------CURRENT JULY 2018!! POLL! - page 21. (Read 10587 times)

I think Blocknet and BitBay are both awesome and synergistic, though I think Blocknet is the big one to watch.

Blocknet so far:
- Working atomic swaps for last 6 months
- Can trade non-BTC pairs, eg. SYS - DGB, DGB - VTC, LTC - VIA, DYN - PIVX, etc.
- Has been in development for 3 years
- Fully trustless decentralised exchange (DX): no coloured coins like Waves, Bisq, BTS, crypto-bridge, altcoin.io, etc. and no uploading of coins onto external wallet ala etherdelta, Jaxx et al.
- Decentralised governance based on node voting
- 100% of stake/dx rewards go to stakers and node holders and not to devs. Devs get paid by superblocks which are voted upon by node holders.
- New DEX/DX UI expected late December
- Joined with VSA Partners for DX UI design (preview images look great) and now for further marketing, DX will feature Tradingview tools
- Among the top ROI PoS coins... when the DX comes into play it will be ridiculous
- Partnering with 0x for ERC20 compatibility and Ethfinex for liquidity
- Amazing Rocketchat community
- Fees from DX users and rewards for node holders provide constant buy&sell pressures on token

Implications:
- Non-reliance on BTC as base trading pair could undermine BTC dominance and allow other alts to really shine
- No KYC means moving toward genuine private trades, greater personal security and freedom
- Because Blocknet is a protocol and not just a currency or a trading platform, there's enormous potential and opportunity for interchain DApps and APIs
- Working with projects like BitBay and Wysker, for example, could provide fully crypto based markets and ecosystems without the need for fiat at all.

I would really like to see if Blocknet can somehow leverage Ardor to keep it's chain size down, or maybe even look into some DAG tech, but I guess we'll see how it goes after the DX launches.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Great information about byteball. Very welcome is all chats and information and analysis of listed REAL projects.

As to ardor the best place is probably just their thread although they may well have a dedicated chat room too. Im not sure I have not followed that one too much. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ardor-scalable-blockchain-as-a-service-platform-proof-of-stake-1518497


100 votes - very nice only 4900 to go.

Since I do not actually expect people to google the "Byteball hair saloon" in Kyoto Japan I thought I will provide some links from Byteballs inofficial Wiki which documents the project "in real time" thanks to one tireless user called "Slackjore" who runs a Byteball Faucet in the projects slack (Just Go there and declare "jaucet" and give an address).

www.byteroll.com/cashback
Or via  wiki.byteball.org
cashback merchants

Just quickly explained: what is a cashback merchant?
Any merchant can apply for the program. If he gets accepted his customers will get 10% of their purchase price returned to them curtosy of Byteball initial distribution. If the customer pays in Byteball a 20% cashback is provided. It costs the merchants nothing but may bring him customers and can grow the Byteball userbase.

Have a look what happend in Milano Italy. It started with one restaurant and word of mouth spread. If I understand it correctly there is a small nucleus of 12 shops spreading the word. For more Information see:
https://byteball.org/milan/

Let me speak a few words on the titan-coin ICO that is Part of Byteballs platform and just finished the pre-ico successfull: the money will be used to built a titan processing factory that secures the funds collected to buy industrial equipment with the unprocessed ore they already own. This I evaluate as another real world economic impact by Byteball. Not bad for first year of comming into existance.

Parts of Byteball are still bleeding edge raw like the byteball.market (no www and no .com). Your Browser will get you to a place where with the "Asset Manager" Byteball subtokens can be made without coding in the headless wallet (Byteball Pro-tool).

Other things are not quite catching on within the community. Example: Byteball.garden (No .com) which may grow to a social Network when more persistance than slack, telegramm etc. becomes desireable. Currently it is orphaned. Byteballs reddit however is doing OK. Its just not my thing.

Having volunteered at #helpdesk in the Byteball Slack I can attest that some users do have some trouble getting started ("explaining the airdrop again") but no major bugs exist (thats why I volunteered - I needed to know!). Yes some people fuck up the Blackbytes in their wallet with restoring out of date backups (i.e. after they had send BlackBytes... and then they restore). If that happens take it to helpdesk  .

Meanwhile I have seen the japanese community having Byteball maskott drawing competitions. New users with Japanese Name appear almost daily in the Slack.

I hope I have stated my point fair and straight foreward enough (See my previous post, too) why Byteball may be the next big thing and hope for feedback. If any one of the WAVES people could elaborate their point I would love to read that. PIVX is clear to me. Game credits target audiance seems to me to narrow to be world scale (don't be discouraged - fire on all engines!)
While I was writing this the ARDR post was made. How can find out more?

Hey great post.

There is no reason I can see why it is not there too. I shall add it. If people don't wish it there then they should explain which of the criteria it fails to meet. I can see none right now So I will add ARDR

I think there are some other project with really real project out there but i could not know how to explain.
But at least my favorite is in poll. That is waves. And i think bitshare also very real too.
And maybe i can add binary.com ico ( binary is option trading company which has been exist sin some years ago ).
But sorry i could not expalain well.

I'm surprised ARDR is not on this list?

1. Proven development team - already fully functioning product/software. Tweaks and improvements yet to come fine but the core product is functioning already.
It's from the developers of NXT, an already proven team of programmers.  NXT was a completely new cryptocurrency written from the ground up (not a bitcoin cloin). ARDR is the next evolution of NXT. It's been in development for over a year already. Testnet released, Mainnet to launch Jan 1st 2018.

2. Obvious Use case
The beauty of ARDR is its not looking to solve problems that don't exist yet. It's features have real world cases that are useful to current-day businesses. BaaS (Blockchain-as-a-Service) could be utilized by big brands (think customer loyalty points cards), insurance companies (immutable data), banks (obviously) and many other services. Child chains allow any entity to create and control their own blockchain easily and solve the current blockchain bloat dilemma (Bitcoin, Ethereum).

3. Not already in the top 10
With such corporate appeal its surprising more people aren't supporting it. The team is very active, attending and speaking at blockchain conventions/conferences. I suggest checking the twitter.

4. Initial distributional method
Everyone who held NXT during the Snapshot period was credited ARDR tokens on a 1:1 basis.

5. Long term commitment and proven staying power
The Jeluruda foundation raised over $150,000,000 in their IGNIS ICO which was open for months and sold 50% of all IGNIS. IGNIS is the first child chain of ARDR. The only way to get IGNIS now is to hold ARDR during the snapshot at the end of december to be credited .5:1 IGNIS to ARDR.
Obviously you can just look at NXT to see the teams long term commitment and staying power. With their current budget they can afford development and marketing for years to come.

I find the current situation even worse, many new projects don't even have new ideas, they just copy old ideas & code with a new logo.
I think this thread could be a good starting point for people new to the cryptosphere. Its easy to get influenced by marketing so vaporware coins can rise high - but sooner or later people will notice which coins are vapor and the prices crashes.

Thanks to you and the poster below. You are welcome and I hope you guys can stick around on this thread and ask whatever questions you like.

I do not have all the answers and there are posters here with 100x more knowledge than myself.

However it is great to get a thread going that will highlight ALL of the REAL projects as they meet the criteria in the OP.

This will be a community discussion and we will together analyse the projects deeply to ensure they are REAL. It does not mean some project not able to meet the criteria will not one day meet the criteria just until they do they just need to get out of dreams and talks fantasy white papers and have something tangible to show. I mean you may think well by that time they will cost magnitudes more??? well it seems to me people are almost valuing these projects as if they are fully built and functioning (just without the adoption they claim they will gain). To me most new projects are merely start ups that could not raise funds in any other way so they hopped on the crypto fomo train. We will see if they have devs with the skill set to actually build this fantasy they paint in their white papers.

Anyway this thread is not here to slate other project or say negative things about them individually. This is a thread and challenge to scour this board and find the REAL project that exist right now.

Thanks for voting or if you have not yet voted you can research and vote or research and add another possible project to be added. Please if suggesting a project follow the format others have whom have had projects added.

If the community digests this and thinks it should be added. It gets added.

Also you can alter your votes at anytime if you get new information that changes your mind.

Just added my vote.  I read the byteball whitepaper off your suggestion and was shocked that I hadn't heard of it before.  Really a fantastic project and amazingly low market cap, all things considered.  Here's to a big year for ByteBall and DAG in general.

Just to offer an alternative perspective to your call for voters and real projects: I am a relative newbie to the crypto world. I bought my first portion of BTC in order to invest in ETN's ICO. (don't judge  ). So I've been in crypto for less than a couple of months.  I would love to vote or add some info but at this moment I'm doing my best to learn all I can so that I can make smarter investments than my first one. Threads like yours are gold because there is real content, and real information rather than just a bunch of shilling.

So maybe I haven't added to your number of votes, but you can be assured that I am reading up on and following your top coins closely, and probably going to purchase some once the opportunity arises. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one doing this. So in a way I hope this adds 'power' to your voting, albeit in a quieter way...

Thanks so much to the major contributors on this thread for being so generous with your knowledge!

We are still quite a long way from having a few thousand votes.  Would be good to get some real power behind this vote.

And

Some new projects suggested.

Great to see so many people taking the time to write a reply and say what they voted for.

I am still finding it shocking there are not more REAL projects on this entire board.

My vote is fro PIVX.
They had a difficult month with some bugs but now they have a very nice coin.
Its difficult to work for (almost) no money for a long time and in PIVX this is imbedded in the staking (10% goes to development).

Definitely Byteball. No question about it. Greatest innovation ever since Bitcoin P2P Electronic Cash System.

Byteball is everyones little secret, hard to get into Slack, hard to buy a significant amount on exchanges. But it will reward the early investors extremly, when it moons it will be the mother of all moons. I have never seen such focused development and innovations in such a small amount of time. It is backing up all of its claims and implementing feature after feature, putting all vaporware coins to shame. When it moons there will be nothing, nothing to stop it, people will have never seen such a thing.

Good to hear everyones opinions. It seems byteball is way out in the lead at the moment.

I wonder if it will stay that way if we reach my goal of 5000 votes ... seems ambitious to get than many but you never know.

Vote for byteball, it’s future just wait.

2018 is the next big thing for crypto space. I voted Waves coz the it high demand and low supply so im acquiring this coin and Smart contracts will release on Early 2018

Byteball  Because compared to any Blockchain protocol, it is vastly more scalable ON-CHAIN and has easy to use smart contracts.  The inventor and main developer Tony is also brilliant and pragmatic. If you have not read the Byteball Whitepaper then definitely start there; at least the first few paragraphs and last few. Next download the wallet and get an invite to the SLACK channel or join the Telegram group; someone will likely give you a few bytes to experiment with. Then install some bots onto your wallet and see the daily activity happening there. Insurance, betting, gaming, trading via easy to use smart contracts. Have a look at the merchant cash-back programme for distributing Byteball Bytes free (e.g. buy something like dinner in Milan, a hair cut or AirBnB rental in Japan, etc. with fiat and get 10% back as Bytball Bytes). Or buy with Byteball and get 20% back. Blockchain is a huge technical achievement, but it has become evident that it just can't scale to global proportions. Which may be fine if we break it down say to one Blockchain per institution or even industry sector. Hence proposals to simply take high volume transactions off this great invention and onto say a Lightning type extension. But if you think on-chain scalability is still very important then you should investigate systems using a DAG architecture such as Byteball, IOTA and Hashgraph. They have unbounded scalability. Each implements DAG in a slightly different but important way. And each has a different level of brand recognition, due to how each has been marketed at launch. Of the three I would argue that Byteball is technically the most mature in terms of utility. And utility has always been the approach used to create more value in the Byteball network. Actually using it in real life. IOTA is also interesting and I noticed that they are now beginning to pay more attention to showing that it is actually useful too; but that system does not use a deterministic method for consensus (it is probabilistic), I assume this is why they don't yet have an Oracle for transactions to be time-stamped, and no smart contracts yet. Transactions are described as 'free' but remember they still require significant proof of work to be done on other transactions before completing(which is a cost). Hashgraph does a good job of explaining DAG but it is not free to use and has patented various parts.
By the way in my opinion, DASH, BCH, IOTA, ETH are still worth holding but for other reasons mainly around brand recognition and how well they are organised as a project.

I was surprised to see that most of the people have voted for the same alcoin I did: Byteball. We may be right then!