Topic: The problem with atheism. - page 15. (Read 38470 times)

I AM NOT the only the true god.  Everybody is god.  I have posted that before on this forums that you are god that you are the universe and you can do anything you believe.

This is not true.  Fly.  Do something impossible.  Why can't you?  Negative energy, doubt, it resides on earth, it resides in you.  In a world of unconditional love, you could fly, you could do anything at whim.  I've done it, I've seen it, I know it's true.

And I ask, have you felt instances of truly infinite love to know how divine it feels?

Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.  Out of Judah he came. Judah was Israel's son. (Jacob was later called Israel)  Jesus had to hide in Egypt as a baby to be protected from Herod.  Oh never mind.

1. I'll have trouble tracing my ancestry back 3 generations and the sheep herders from the bronze age have a complete accurate record for hundreds of years, really?

2. Really? Do I have to say anything about that?

3. Refer to 1.

4. “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
    one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
    from ancient times.”

Jesus never ruled Israel, every person alive has ancient origins...

5. “When Israel was a child, I loved him,
    and out of Egypt I called my son.
 But the more they were called,
    the more they went away from me.
They sacrificed to the Baals
    and they burned incense to images."

Isn't Israel (Jacob) the son of Isaac?

6. The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
    nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,
until tribute comes to him;
    and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.

Sorry, nothing to see here...


I'm tired for this, maybe more next time.

I know that this won't even matter to most of you, but for those that are interested we do not have to look to the "later writers of the Bible" to see prophecies about Jesus.  There were many in the Old Testament before Jesus even came.


Here are ten prophecies from the Old Testament, fulfilled in the coming of Jesus:
 

1. Jesus will come from the line of Abraham. Prophecy: Genesis 12:3. Fulfilled: Matthew 1:1.

2. Jesus’ mother will be a virgin. Prophecy: Isaiah 7:14. Fulfilled: Matthew 1:18–23.

3. Jesus will be a descendent of Isaac and Jacob. Prophecy: Genesis 17:19 and Numbers 24:17. Fulfilled: Matthew 1:2.

4. Jesus will be born in the town Bethlehem. Prophecy: Micah 5:2. Fulfilled: Luke 2:1–7.

5. Jesus will be called out of Egypt. Prophecy: Hosea 11:1. Fulfilled: Matthew 2:13–15.

6. Jesus will be a member of the tribe of Judah. Prophecy: Genesis 49:10. Fulfilled: Luke 3:33. 

7. Jesus will enter the temple. This is important because the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70 and was never rebuilt. Prophecy: Malachi 3:1. Fulfilled: Luke 2:25–27.

8. Jesus will be from the lineage of King David. Prophecy: Jeremiah 23:5. Fulfilled: Matthew 1:6.

9. Jesus’ birth will be accompanied with great suffering and sorrow. Prophecy: Jeremiah 31:15. Fulfilled: Matthew 2:16.

10. Jesus will live a perfect life, die by crucifixion, resurrect from death, ascend into heaven, and sit at the right hand of God. Prophecies: Psalm 22:16; Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 53:10–11; Psalm 68:18; Psalm 110:1. Fulfilled: 1 Peter 2:21–22; Luke 23:33; Acts 2:25–32; Acts 1:9; Hebrews 1:3.

Yeah, this thread was about atheism, now Bible discussion group... Ok.


Yes, it would, and the answer is Dank! Because he exists!

And you do realize that the later writers of the Bible wrote the stories in order to fulfill those "prophecies"...


False dichotomy/false dilemma?


I cannot, one should love his neighbor as his neighbor like to be loved.

I'll illustrate that for you, imagine I'd like to be taken by force by women and be subjected to some particular sexual practices, do you think I should assume that every woman likes the same stuff and rape the blond next door?

OK.  I will pick a different verse then:  "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you."  Does that one fit into your belief system better?

I personally like the Golden Rule because it is an ethical system that is both objective (it distributes to everyone; everyone can follow it) and subjective at the same time.  I also think it's plausible that the Golden Rule may actually be a Universal ethical law, and that individual actors, acting as proxies,  may relay the sum of their ethical output back to a global level of consciousness in a cyclical, continuous feedback loop that guides the evolution of the Universe.  It's a half-baked idea I've had for a while but never fully explored.

Well...

No. Not because I'm trying to pick a fight, but because it implies that everyone loves themselves. Me, I'm my own worst critic, so applying that outside myself could cause some serious problems. I think the B&T quote is better, because it implies nothing about your motivations, just your actions.

The New Testament is seriously at odds with the old anyway. The descriptions of Yahweh in the OT are of a vengeful, frightened, bully with a lot of power and little self restraint. The NT version is still vengeful and frightened, but also full of self doubt. Not a good candidate for peace.

"Be excellent to each other.  Party on dudes."

Is that better then quoting scripture?

That said, I think "Be excellent to one another" is pretty much the point of the New Testament when Jesus said the greatest commandment is to "Love your neighbor as yourself."  Can we agree with that at least?

It is. I'll tell you what it is in a minute, but first I'm going to illustrate the fallacy you've employed here. It's a really common one, and it crosses all religious boundaries and often even in to the secular world. I call it the "narrow choice fallacy", though I'm sure that it falls under several of the logical fallacies.

This fallacy is that when a small group of choices are presented, the one committing the fallacy hopes (or believes) that you will discard any options outside of those choices. In point of fact, there are almost always more options than are presented. As an anarchist, I see this all the time when I present an argument. I figure I have succeeded in my argument when I get someone in the same thread to call me a republican while someone else calls me a democrat. In point of fact, I'm neither. I don't buy either brand of democracy, as I believe it to be a proven false religion.

Thus, given the choices above, I choose neither. Insufficient evidence that Jesus actually existed, and I too was once a stoner, so while I understand Dank's standpoint, I don't see it as conclusive or particularly persuasive. That he has explored areas of his consciousness that most have not, I will conceed. That he is some sort of deity? I have at least as much claim to that as he does. I make no such claim, nor will I.

I always try to take the road less traveled. It leads to better or at least more interesting places. I'm sorry, but a book written around 2000 years ago, derived from sources even older than that, does not encompass the be-all and end-all of human knowledge. Especially since a great deal of it is demonstrably false. It has some good concepts and instructions in it. Along with a lot of utter garbage. Like any philosophy, one has to strain it through one hell of a bullshit filter. Once the bible is filtered, the good parts of it can be expressed in ONE sentence. Bill and Ted's sentence.

"Be excellent to one another". If we all tried to live by JUST that, the world would be a better place. Adding all the "shalt and shalt nots" makes things worse. An it harm no one, do what thou wilt.

Edit: Punctuation/spacing.

Just need to interject to point out that unconditional love is not actually love, and is meaningless. When you love someone regardless, that's not really love, that's just you not caring about what they do.

So if Dank says he is the only true god and Jesus said He is the only true God and only one was right which one would you pick?  I would think the choice would be fairly easy then wouldn't it?

I'd like to quote some scripture too.

If Dank says that he is the only true God... well, you see where I'm going.
P.S. I don't hate the scripture quotes. I'm impressed that you know them. And to be clear, I think the Bible is a wise book. Filled with ancient knowledge about how to live with others.   

Dank, honestly, I think it's good your mind is focused on love.

But about your "signs," you've made some prophetic claims in the past that have already fallen by the wayside.

I think you see some interesting 'signs', but you really don't know what to do with them.  And don't bash rationalism at the same that you're using reason to convince us of something.

You're logically inconsistent.

First thing a rational minded being thinks when one proclaims to be jesus, you're crazy.  Perhaps this is the problem with rationalizing thoughts.

If you would take the time to really understand Jesus and what he was, you would see he is someone who loved everyone unconditionally.  He spoke against people that doubted him, despite the judgement, for the sake of helping the other people.

I have nothing to gain materially or powerfully with my beliefs, for all I believe in is unconditional love.  Pretty much all my beliefs align with Jesus's even though I was never told the story of Jesus.  I found out how the story happened simply by living my life.  I found understanding of Jesus without being told much about him.

If we could simply let go of all fear we would see what I say is true.  My purpose on earth is to enable the ascension between the fourth and fifth dimension for man kind.  I know how to do so, for I believe I can float.  When I fly, you'll believe and can spread your wings.  I'm convinced I'm the man for the job, is there any other jesus applicant that doesn't know two separate instances of levitation that have already occurred?

Even more, I'm not the one that put the idea of me being jesus in my head.  A good friend at the beach said he had a vision I was Jesus and they were the disciples.  I didn't think much of it at the time.  Then a couple months later I start seeing CIA in front of my parents house?  Before I hardly did drugs?

What am I supposed to make of this?

Add on to that my spiritual evolution throughout 2012, finding complete understanding of our existence.

Too many signs, you must learn to formulate a belief after the signs add up.

I hope one day you all can stand beside me.  Never follow me but stand beside me if you will.

Pretty sure Jesus just made it so that he can never come back again, without people claiming he's fake.

I know most of you hate it when I quote scriptures on here but I could not resist on this one:

Luke 21:8
He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.

Jesus predicted that there would be people like Dank. 

Of course he is.the demonstration is simple: why wouldn't he be?

Why is everyone trippin on Dank. In a world of Gods he should be taken seriously as it is perfectly possible that he is God. He should not have to provide anyone with any proof. Gods do not have to do such things, you should believe even though everything you know contradicts it. That is faith.