The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam) - page 3.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 17, 2023, 05:48:57 AM

I'm mentioning those who have left negative feedback on Betnomi representative account.

Nothing changes. All I see are words and perhaps a new plan to restore the ruined reputation and then scam more people again. I was actually going though some of the scam accusations against them to read their responses. They were arrogant before folding up their scams, literally they were blaming the victims for the crime they committed.

Quote from: betnomi on March 09, 2023, 07:32:48 PM

We don't know many people that take screenshots, record videos, and save Bet ID when they place a Bet.
Of course, you did. The reason is clear: this is a scam you have executed on multiple sportsbooks, and you
anticipated our reaction to the situation from experience.

Quote from: betnomi on March 09, 2023, 08:30:11 AM

Finally, all you had to do was say thank you, Betnomi, for processing my withdrawal anyways
but no, as always, you have to be the good guy and tap dance around the issue.

Quote from: betnomi on February 22, 2023, 09:39:57 AM

It's interesting how you keep saying other websites paid out that Bet. If you have websites that are paying out your Bets,
why do you need to play on so many websites when you have problems everywhere?

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@Mahdirakib, thanks for sharing these news because I didn't noticed their announcement before that. After so much time already passed I already didn't expected to hear anything from them. I have no trust at all in them thatthey will make refund, butthere is at leastsome hope, especially for people who had a lot money.
I agree that negative feedbacks should stay. They simply have done wrong everything what is possible. And if they're going to operate casino, people should stay miles away from them.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 17, 2023, 08:12:40 AM

Quote from: examplens on November 17, 2023, 06:12:40 AM

Aren't the owners the ones who manage the funds?
Who are the people currently "standing" behind Betnomi? And what was their role in everything so far?

The funds are maintained by the financial admin (one of the owners) of a betting site. I think there is no changed hands of the ownership of Betnomi. Most probably, the representative will come with an explanation by saying that "Sorsis Chatwin" is an innocent person and he isn't involved in such activities. Because, his information is publicly available on LinkedIn and Betnomi's trademark application page.

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I think it's already done, that Sorsis Chatwin is innocent. The writer said the refund will come from his own pocket and it's signed "Sorsis", implying [or trying to send a narrative] that he's also a victim of this mess but he's the one who will sort things out.

I am interested with the later part of the statement,

Quote from: betnomi on November 16, 2023, 04:33:58 PM

Over the past two years, we have developed our own casino software, risk management engine, and other valuable intellectual property worth millions of dollars. We intend to leverage this expertise to rebuild a stronger brand in the future. [...]

it means they'll come with a new name and a clean sheet, isn't it?

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Quote from: examplens on November 17, 2023, 06:12:40 AM

Aren't the owners the ones who manage the funds?
Who are the people currently "standing" behind Betnomi? And what was their role in everything so far?

The funds are maintained by the financial admin (one of the owners) of a betting site. I think there is no changed hands of the ownership of Betnomi. Most probably, the representative will come with an explanation by saying that "Sorsis Chatwin" is an innocent person and he isn't involved in such activities. Because, his information is publicly available on LinkedIn and Betnomi's trademark application page.

Quote from: examplens on November 17, 2023, 06:12:40 AM

Is there any information anywhere that someone has initiated legal proceedings against them?

Unfortunately, none of the victim has taken any legal action against Betnomi's known admin Sorsis Chatwin or the other unknown administrators.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 17, 2023, 05:48:57 AM

Betnomi is back, but not in reality. The representative of Betnomi has created a thread in the gambling board by describing the story from their side. They have shown the intention to refund the users.

Not sure what they are talking about here. The representative of Betnomi writes that they chased away the owners, and now they will start the process of returning the funds. Aren't the owners the ones who manage the funds?
Who are the people currently "standing" behind Betnomi? And what was their role in everything so far?

Honestly, to me, this looks like some kind of buying time and putting the blame on someone else. Is there any information anywhere that someone has initiated legal proceedings against them?

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Betnomi is back, but not in reality. The representative of Betnomi has created a thread in the gambling board by describing the story from their side. They have shown the intention to refund the users. Where the important part is that

Quote from: betnomi on November 16, 2023, 04:33:58 PM

In June, we faced significant internal challenges related to the company's long-term financial outlook and ownership structure. To address these issues, we temporarily suspended operations and initiated a restructuring process with a focus on long-term profitability. During this time, it became clear that continuing to work with the existing owners was no longer viable, and we terminated the partnership. ~snip~

We have since learned that our database was compromised and potentially sold to another casino platform that falsely claimed Betnomi had rebranded. We are pursuing legal action against this entity.

Our (Betnomi users) data has been compromised from Betnomi for the irresponsibility of the owners. Therefore, they deserve the negative feedbacks even if they refund all the victims. Betnomi team has done everything intentionally and manually, but they never tried to clarify the reasons in the last four and a half months. I'm mentioning those who have left negative feedback on Betnomi representative account.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2023, 01:35:11 PM

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A follow up question. When betnomi.com went offline without any explanations, was betnomi.bet accessible and live at all times or was there a period when the .bet version was also down? I am asking because if it went offline and came back, maybe there is a plan to try and revive the brand in the future through the .bet site.

Not sure if it ever has a down period, but one thing we can be sure of is that it was accessible when the .com went offline months ago. This fact was [in a way] unearthed by CasinoGuru's mediator on a case against them from the earlier phase of their houdini act.

But yes, I am inclined toward agreement with decodx that the site never goes offline, though I think [again, much like decodx think] it's more because the site was never meant to be a live site, thus it's kinda overlooked; "abandoned", if you may.

If we suppose that they will come back at one point through the .bet site, though, I'll say they can try all they want to do that, but the record here is already pretty much extensive to tell the future users about anything related to betnomi, so I think we shouldn't lose sleep over it, and they're more likely to create a completely brand new site instead of re-using their old name and site.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2023, 01:35:11 PM

A follow up question. When betnomi.com went offline without any explanations, was betnomi.bet accessible and live at all times or was there a period when the .bet version was also down? I am asking because if it went offline and came back, maybe there is a plan to try and revive the brand in the future through the .bet site.

As far as I could tell, it was active all the time. They shifted their old website (which used old software and an old database) to a secondary domain when they launched a completely new platform from scratch in 2021. I don't believe the "bet" domain was ever intended to be a "live" casino site.

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Hello everyone, we are back in the forum after a few months of silence.
In this time period, we have been developing from scratch our new gaming platform to address all the issues with the old platform.
With our new platform, we hope to deliver an experience second to none.

We are currently in a soft launch (beta mode) so, still collecting data/feedbacks and updating the system
After a few weeks, we will do an official announcement for the launch.

Unfortunately, we are not going to be exporting data from the old platform
and that means you would have to create a new account to access the new platform.

You can access the old platform at http://betnomi.bet to retrieve your information and withdraw your funds if you have any.

Our team will remain active in the forum moving forward and answer all your questions.

Thank you all for the support.

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Thanks for the explanations.

A follow up question. When betnomi.com went offline without any explanations, was betnomi.bet accessible and live at all times or was there a period when the .bet version was also down? I am asking because if it went offline and came back, maybe there is a plan to try and revive the brand in the future through the .bet site.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2023, 10:38:27 AM

Did Betnomi always have two working domains at the same time or how exactly did they operate?

You aren't the only person who is getting confused between the old and new domain of Betnomi website. There should be no confusion if you read and realize the main post properly.

Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 02, 2023, 06:30:48 AM

Users data was moved to a dummy website Betnomi.bet and wiped from Betnomi.com:
In the October month of 2021, Betnomi team had registered a new domain Betnomi.bet and moved the Betnomi.com database in it. They had wiped all the data from Betnomi.com after moving it into Betnomi.bet. As a result, Betnomi.com became like a new platform and old affiliate partners had lost all the affiliate benefits. (Read here)

FYI, Betnomi.bet doesn't accept deposit. It was created to allow the old Betnomi.com user to access their account (previous account) and withdraw their funds (if they had any). The website also shows an invalid message at the bottom right corner: "Invalid website".

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2023, 10:38:27 AM

Did Betnomi always have two working domains at the same time or how exactly did they operate? Their betnomi.com site is still down with a random error message. But betnomi.bet is now working. According to whois, that domain has been available since 2021.Their Twitter page meanwhile, still points to the old site. I am sure that I had betnomi.com in my casino withdrawal fees thread before I removed them for being scammers.

betnomi[dot]bet was their "older" domain before they move to [dot]com, and I think somewhere on the [multiple] threads about betnomi, it's been explained that the [dot]bet was used to keep the platform running while they overhaul the [dot]com, and users' database was transferred there, thus logging in with [dot]com's credential on [dot]bet will grant you access.

I vaguely recalled someone tried their credential on the [dot]bet and, after gained access, learned that though you can log in, the deposit feature are not available.

Edit: I am thanking ninjastic's date filter so I don't have to comb over 90-something posts. Edited the original post, adding link to the "deposit feature are not available" for reference.

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Did Betnomi always have two working domains at the same time or how exactly did they operate? Their betnomi.com site is still down with a random error message. But betnomi.bet is now working. According to whois, that domain has been available since 2021.Their Twitter page meanwhile, still points to the old site. I am sure that I had betnomi.com in my casino withdrawal fees thread before I removed them for being scammers.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 12, 2023, 10:29:48 AM

Maybe it's a pathetic attempt to try to influence these members not to distrust them as well. Would be funny to see exactly that happening.

I think he added anyone who didn't trust the accounts that left him with negative trust but after searching, I found that he did it randomly.

In any case, by being active and not responding to scam accusations, you have proven the accusation against yourself.

Quote from: logfiles on September 12, 2023, 06:43:34 PM

I know one of the domains if offline, but who knows? They might try to resurrect it when the people lower their guard. The other domain betnomi.bet is still online.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3209

supported your flag. I thought there were negotiations or an agreement in private, so I did not decide to take a decision until someone did.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2023, 06:40:48 PM

Leaving negative feedback on Betnomi profile is probably only thing what we can do, though, it's pointless, I doubt that in future they're going to something with Betnomi brand, it's possible that they will come with new brand.

This is one shitty childish revenge move from betnomi, but they are only hurting themselves more with distrusting members who gave them negative feedback and support flag against them.
I think they will comeback or maybe they already did comeback with different name, so be careful with all new casinos that appeared in last few months.
I dont know what they expected from everyone, website is not working for many weeks, they left without any explanation, and they owe money to people who worked with them.

Quote from: Pmalek on September 12, 2023, 10:29:48 AM

Maybe it's a pathetic attempt to try to influence these members not to distrust them as well. Would be funny to see exactly that happening.

I cant wait to hear something from them, this must be fantastic excuse story coming soon.
Get popcorns ready everyone Grin

Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 13, 2023, 11:44:40 AM

BTW, let's see the latest steps of Betnomi team which they have taken to give a false hope to the victims.
• On 24th August: Betnomi.com brought back the 'scheduled maintenance' message again.
• On ~6th September: The maintenance message was removed and Betnomi is showing a new error message now.
• On 6th September: Betnomi representative appeared in the forum and played with the trust list.

This is correct.
I was following everything that was happening with their website and I posted updates in forum when I saw them.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 12, 2023, 06:43:34 PM

~snip~

Thank you for creating the newbie/guest warning flag. Although it won't make any difference, but the scam operator Betnomi deserve that at least. I have updated the flag in the main post.

BTW, let's see the latest steps of Betnomi team which they have taken to give a false hope to the victims.
• On 24th August: Betnomi.com brought back the 'scheduled maintenance' message again.
• On ~6th September: The maintenance message was removed and Betnomi is showing a new error message now.
• On 6th September: Betnomi representative appeared in the forum and played with the trust list.

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Quote from: hugeblack on September 12, 2023, 12:25:46 AM

Are there any updates about this? Or will someone else create the flag?

I just decided to create a newbie/guest flag since the victims seem to be reluctant in creating one

I know one of the domains if offline, but who knows? They might try to resurrect it when the people lower their guard. The other domain betnomi.bet is still online.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3209

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I wonder why they added a bunch of DTs and other popular forum members to their trust list at the same time. I checked if every new addition left them positive trust and they didn't. The 8 new members whose judgement they trust haven't left them positive feedback. Maybe it's a pathetic attempt to try to influence these members not to distrust them as well. Would be funny to see exactly that happening.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2023, 06:40:48 PM

Better to post the whole BB code so that the other members also know what just happened. I had no idea what was going on until I just checked this thread. This shows that they know what they are doing and just refuse to update us what on what happened.

I noticed that instead of responding to the accusations, he cleaned his trust list by deleting DT negative trust, in general

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I was hope this problem to be solved, although I believe that such behavior indicates a scammer with limited capabilities.

Are there any updates about this? Or will someone else create the flag?

Quote from: icopress on August 02, 2023, 06:48:13 AM

Thanks for the topic. Probably within a week or two I will create a flag against the Betnomi since they owe me a huge amount.

I also wrote to Sorsis yesterday, (on July 18 he promised to return at the end of August and pay), he read my message, but has not answered yet.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 10, 2023, 05:30:57 PM

So, it means that they're still following what's going on here, but not planning to give any update about what's going on. It's nothing new to distrust users who left negative feedback on your profile, but I'm wondering why they added these few new names to their trust list?
Leaving negative feedback on Betnomi profile is probably only thing what we can do, though, it's pointless, I doubt that in future they're going to something with Betnomi brand, it's possible that they will come with new brand.

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I had laugh seeing their trust list. They scammed, failed to continue business but now they are back, perfecting their trust setting LOL.
Are they hoping to be in DT by any chance LOL?

A good example of scammers becoming a joke when they get caught red handed.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 10, 2023, 05:30:57 PM

So, it means that they're still following what's going on here, but not planning to give any update about what's going on. It's nothing new to distrust users who left negative feedback on your profile, but I'm wondering why they added these few new names to their trust list?
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I've been wondering about that for a while yesterday since I found out about their updated trust list, I initially thought they wanted to increase their trust rating [again, cosmetically] while simultaneously lowering their negative score. But it seems the ones they added to their trust list are not the ones who leave them a positive feedback, so adding them to their trust list won't do much to their rating, so I guess that's just to obscure what they did. They basically throw names to their trust lists so it'll look like they simply modifying their trust page to hide the fact of what they're actually trying to achieve.

BUT... another thing that crossed my mind is that a forum veteran like betnomi won't do such useless thing, they most likely familiar with how the trust feedback and trust list works. So... is it possible that there is a new admin in the house?

Quote from: examplens on September 11, 2023, 03:44:55 AM

Really sad if this is their response to everything that is happening around them. I guess they thought that if they didn't see negative feedback because they added to their distrust list, the problem wouldn't exist.

Loyce has a very nice analogy for this [that I think I'll borrow from now on]

Quote from: LoyceV on September 11, 2023, 02:42:27 AM

The digital equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.

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