The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam) - page 2.

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Quote from: holydarkness on November 23, 2023, 02:52:01 AM

This refund phase looks awfully more and more like an attempt to get many people's credential instead of a real attempt to refund people.

Certainly, data collection via e-mail is quite non-transparent. I won't be surprised if some anonymous people start appearing, confirming how they got a refund from Betnomi. But the ultimate motive for everything that comes from there is still unclear. I assume that Betnomi will no longer work as a gambling site, and the only thing that seems likely to me is that Sorsis wants to have some positive feedback, because "CEO of Betnomi" is mentioned in his biography.

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Quote from: Poika5 on November 22, 2023, 08:43:15 PM

So, your whole plan is to whitewash your reputation as cheaply as possible?

Why would anyone believe anything the scammer says at this point?

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Quote from: Poika5 on November 22, 2023, 08:43:15 PM

Quote from: decodx on November 22, 2023, 02:08:40 PM

So, he only has access to a partial version of the database that apparently does not contain user email addresses?! How convenient.

Yet they can somehow check if the username/email exists in the database.
Huh

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Ahh... I was just from that thread, being curious and asking the same matter. One other thing that's also interesting, given they're pursuing legal action against the perpetrator who stole their IP, I think they can ask a court appointed entity to access this database currently being possessed by the perpetrator and send an email blast to their customer informing about this refund. I am pretty much sure one of the IP being stolen was email database, given many user of betnomi got unsolicited email promotion back when the chaos of their downfall initially happened.

This refund phase looks awfully more and more like an attempt to get many people's credential instead of a real attempt to refund people.

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Quote from: decodx on November 22, 2023, 02:08:40 PM

So, he only has access to a partial version of the database that apparently does not contain user email addresses?! How convenient.

Yet they can somehow check if the username/email exists in the database.
Huh

Quote from: betnomi on November 22, 2023, 12:09:59 PM

Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue.

Why not post it on your Twitter account(18k followers)?
https://twitter.com/betnomi

So, your whole plan is to whitewash your reputation as cheaply as possible?

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 22, 2023, 08:53:50 AM

It is quite surprising that Bitcointalk gambling community members are widely appreciating what Sorsis has said in the recent topic instead of checking all the stories properly. Without any doubt, Betnomi representative doesn't have any reasonable answer about the changes they made on their trust list. The website is down for almost 5 months. Now they have come with a refund policy, but the victims have to send a request to get the refund. And the refund system will last for only 30 days

Which members are appreciated what the serial scammer said? Maybe those are gambling board spammers who don't even read about anything. They just reply for the sake Grin

I will never believe anything else coming from betnomi. The very fast red flag in the beginning was having a fake team (http://archive.is/NUdsW), they got caught, got tagged, but somehow they convinced some members to remove the negative feedback and brought in their fake promotions to cover up the mess. Not this time round.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 22, 2023, 11:49:35 AM

As if everyone remembers amount of coins in account after many months of website not working Roll Eyes

Guy who sent this post is clearly controlling betnomi.com domain and website, as he is accepting refund emails on address he posted.
Was it so hard for him/them to send email only to members who already have account with leftover balance, instead of asking everyone to send their private information?

That's just brilliant. They waited few months until people will give up/forget and move on with this case. And now they didn't sent this message through email to all their customers with perfect excuse that they don't have full access to their database. Instead of, they posted this message on 3rd party forum which obviously isn't used by all their customers. They didn't even posted it on their main topic that less people would see it. And finally, giving only 30 days to contact for refund that less people would be able to contact them. And after these 30 days not refunded money will be already legally theft. Fantastic! I'm wonering how much % of their users will contact them for refund.
After all these months I have no idea how much ballance I had there. I don't even remember what email address I used for sign up and I will have to dig deep in my inbox to find login details.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 22, 2023, 12:20:19 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on November 22, 2023, 12:02:38 PM

You mean he'd reach 100% of the customers instead of being able to say "you had your chance and didn't take it"?

Yes, very convenient rules when they have only one month time to contact him with their information Wink

But he didn't have to send mass-email to everyone, only to people with positive balance in accounts, and he claims this is not a lot of money/people.

Here are some more lies from Betnomi (Sorsis):

Quote from: betnomi on November 22, 2023, 12:09:59 PM

Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue. However, as we mentioned in our initial statement, we do not have access to the database. We do have a limited version of the database that is shared with regulators for compliance purposes. If we had access to the actual site database, we would simply restore the site and allow users to withdraw their funds directly. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and we can only do what we can with the resources available to us.

So, he only has access to a partial version of the database that apparently does not contain user email addresses?! How convenient.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 22, 2023, 12:02:38 PM

You mean he'd reach 100% of the customers instead of being able to say "you had your chance and didn't take it"?

Yes, very convenient rules when they have only one month time to contact him with their information Wink

But he didn't have to send mass-email to everyone, only to people with positive balance in accounts, and he claims this is not a lot of money/people.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 22, 2023, 11:49:35 AM

Was it so hard for him/them to send email only to members who already have account with leftover balance, instead of asking everyone to send their private information?

You mean he'd reach 100% of the customers instead of being able to say "you had your chance and didn't take it"?

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 22, 2023, 11:03:16 AM

What happened to using account credentials for withdrawals instead of emails? What happened to contacting your customers instead of writing about it months later on a third party forum?
Could it be someone else gained access to the account and is now collecting personal information?

As if everyone remembers amount of coins in account after many months of website not working Roll Eyes

Guy who sent this post is clearly controlling betnomi.com domain and website, as he is accepting refund emails on address he posted.
Was it so hard for him/them to send email only to members who already have account with leftover balance, instead of asking everyone to send their private information?

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This is .... weird:

Quote from: betnomi on November 21, 2023, 01:11:49 PM

Please be aware that after this 30-day withdrawal window, we will not be processing any further withdrawal requests.
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Code:

1. First name, Last name (if you are KYC verified)
2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)
3. Email address (request will be ignored if the email does not match)
4. Refund Amount (approximate balance is acceptable)
5. Wallet address (we will process only in the cryptocurrency you have)

What happened to using account credentials for withdrawals instead of emails? What happened to contacting your customers instead of writing about it months later on a third party forum?
Could it be someone else gained access to the account and is now collecting personal information?

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Quote from: notblox1 on November 20, 2023, 05:27:16 PM

All I know is that there was only one name mentioned in forum all the time and that is Sorsis.
Some people said he was bragging that he earned money by stealing credit card information, so he always claimed to be a good with computers or good hacker.
I cant even imagine Sorsis hacker being scammed and tricked this way by some other guy who was allegedly above him in Betnomi.
Other people worked for him and this is not a secret, but I dont know the real numbers.

He admitted to being a scammer in the past, allegedly making good money from credit card fraud. I don't think people like that ever truly reform. Sure, some may change their methods or targets, but the core motivation remains the same - to deceive and exploit others for personal gain. Once you've made peace with that it becomes a way of life.

So while he may put on a show of turning over a new leaf, I'd bet money the old ways still lurk beneath the surface and hes just better now at covering his tracks and keeping up appearances. But a scammer will always be a scammer deep down inside. This latest act is nothing but smoke and mirrors as far as I'm concerned.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 22, 2023, 08:53:50 AM

It is quite surprising that Bitcointalk gambling community members are widely appreciating what Sorsis has said in the recent topic instead of checking all the stories properly. Without any doubt, Betnomi representative doesn't have any reasonable answer about the changes they made on their trust list. The website is down for almost 5 months. Now they have come with a refund policy, but the victims have to send a request to get the refund. And the refund system will last for only 30 days.

I welcome that they have returned to the forum instead of disappearing forever, but that return, like you, raises doubts in my mind. In the same way that the changes in the trust list are not very coherent, they seemed more like revenge. This raises many questions, like what about players who are not members of the forum?

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Quote from: examplens on November 21, 2023, 09:29:00 AM

I don't like to judge based on assumptions. My red feedback to them is for a reason they just disappeared without any explanation. I believe that they wrote a statement that it will be offline for 6 or 8 months and that it will not be active during that time, that would be a little more acceptable.

It is quite surprising that Bitcointalk gambling community members are widely appreciating what Sorsis has said in the recent topic instead of checking all the stories properly. Without any doubt, Betnomi representative doesn't have any reasonable answer about the changes they made on their trust list. The website is down for almost 5 months. Now they have come with a refund policy, but the victims have to send a request to get the refund. And the refund system will last for only 30 days.

Quote from: betnomi on November 21, 2023, 01:11:49 PM

As announced a few days ago, it is our primary duty and responsibility to ensure that every user on our platform receives a complete refund. We are now progressing to the next phase of our refund process by opening a 30-day window. During this period, any user with a balance on our platform can initiate a withdrawal request.

Please be aware that after this 30-day withdrawal window, we will not be processing any further withdrawal requests.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 21, 2023, 07:57:07 AM

Quote from: logfiles on November 20, 2023, 06:46:53 PM

So where have they been all along?

Maybe Betnomi team was trying to create the best story to regain the trust with their words. The good thing is that Bitcointalk community hasn't fallen on their words yet.

I don't like to judge based on assumptions. My red feedback to them is for a reason they just disappeared without any explanation. I believe that they wrote a statement that it will be offline for 6 or 8 months and that it will not be active during that time, that would be a little more acceptable.

If Sorsis managed the betnomi account here from the beginning, it did so in a very bad way. If that's how he managed the casino, then it's no surprise where they are now. A few months after leaving the forum, Sorsis appeared and added everyone who left negative feedback to his distrust list. https://loyce.club/trust/2023-09-09_Sat_05.07h/2532772.html
I'm not sure what he wanted to achieve with this (I'd like to hear his explanation).
Now with the new story, it seems to me that he just wants to remove the "scam" tag next to his name, i.e. the name of his essential reference. This tag may represent a significant obstacle in developing a new business.

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Quote from: notblox1 on November 20, 2023, 05:27:16 PM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 19, 2023, 06:30:39 PM

All I know for sure is more than 1 person was involved with the day to day. Throughout all of my conversations, no other mention of partners or owners was mentioned either.

Other people worked for him and this is not a secret, but I dont know the real numbers.

Yep, it won't be possible for anyone to operate a casino alone. There were obviously some developers, designers, support agent and security team members under him. As an example, the betnomi.com account was operated by 'Andrew' who was hired by Sorsis. Anyway, Sorsis was the owner/head of Betnomi. One of the employees of Betnomi had addressed Sorsis as the company head a few years ago.

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i am the humane resource manager i communicate between soris the head of ~~com0any~~ company and all employees including matt (omen rain)

And Sorsis was the person who had applied for Betnomi's trademark registration. If I'm not wrong, then all the forum members (who had worked for Sorsis) know Sorsis as the owner of Betnomi. He was hiring and firing the employees. Therefore, it isn’t true what has been said by Betnomi representative (Sorsis) in this post: Betnomi | Project status

Quote from: logfiles on November 20, 2023, 06:46:53 PM

So where have they been all along?

Maybe Betnomi team was trying to create the best story to regain the trust with their words. The good thing is that Bitcointalk community hasn't fallen on their words yet.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 17, 2023, 05:48:57 AM

Betnomi is back, but not in reality. The representative of Betnomi has created a thread in the gambling board by describing the story from their side. They have shown the intention to refund the users. Where the important part is that

So where have they been all along? It's not like they were completely offline this whole time. They knew what was going on even here in the forum when members tried to raise some issues, but they just decided to log in and distrust members who tried to discuss what was going on

Good thing there is a summary of events that went on during that time

Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 13, 2023, 11:44:40 AM

BTW, let's see the latest steps of Betnomi team which they have taken to give a false hope to the victims.
• On 24th August: Betnomi.com brought back the 'scheduled maintenance' message again.
• On ~6th September: The maintenance message was removed and Betnomi is showing a new error message now.
• On 6th September: Betnomi representative appeared in the forum and played with the trust list.

I am not going to believe a single statement from them. They completely lost my trust and my negative feedback will remain.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 19, 2023, 06:30:39 PM

Back when I was working with them I was a part of their slack group. There were more than 50 people on the team at that time. I'm not sure who was or wasn't a partner or who was or wasn't important. All I know for sure is more than 1 person was involved with the day to day. Throughout all of my conversations, no other mention of partners or owners was mentioned either.

All I know is that there was only one name mentioned in forum all the time and that is Sorsis.
Some people said he was bragging that he earned money by stealing credit card information, so he always claimed to be a good with computers or good hacker.
I cant even imagine Sorsis hacker being scammed and tricked this way by some other guy who was allegedly above him in Betnomi.
Other people worked for him and this is not a secret, but I dont know the real numbers.

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Quote from: notblox1 on November 19, 2023, 04:13:54 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 17, 2023, 05:48:57 AM

Our (Betnomi users) data has been compromised from Betnomi for the irresponsibility of the owners. Therefore, they deserve the negative feedbacks even if they refund all the victims. Betnomi team has done everything intentionally and manually, but they never tried to clarify the reasons in the last four and a half months. I'm mentioning those who have left negative feedback on Betnomi representative account.

I dont know if I left them negative feedback but I am one of the people with compromised personal data, and I was receiving many casino spam emails.
This could be phishing attack but I never opened this links and I am not using that email address anymore.

Quote from: examplens on November 17, 2023, 06:12:40 AM

Not sure what they are talking about here. The representative of Betnomi writes that they chased away the owners, and now they will start the process of returning the funds. Aren't the owners the ones who manage the funds?

Sorsis was always one and only owner of Betnomi.
All other people could be his partners or someone who worked for him, and there is no chance that some unknown owner was behind Betnomi all the time.

Back when I was working with them I was a part of their slack group. There were more than 50 people on the team at that time. I'm not sure who was or wasn't a partner or who was or wasn't important. All I know for sure is more than 1 person was involved with the day to day. Throughout all of my conversations, no other mention of partners or owners was mentioned either.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on November 17, 2023, 05:48:57 AM

Our (Betnomi users) data has been compromised from Betnomi for the irresponsibility of the owners. Therefore, they deserve the negative feedbacks even if they refund all the victims. Betnomi team has done everything intentionally and manually, but they never tried to clarify the reasons in the last four and a half months. I'm mentioning those who have left negative feedback on Betnomi representative account.

I dont know if I left them negative feedback but I am one of the people with compromised personal data, and I was receiving many casino spam emails.
This could be phishing attack but I never opened this links and I am not using that email address anymore.

Quote from: examplens on November 17, 2023, 06:12:40 AM

Not sure what they are talking about here. The representative of Betnomi writes that they chased away the owners, and now they will start the process of returning the funds. Aren't the owners the ones who manage the funds?

Sorsis was always one and only owner of Betnomi.
All other people could be his partners or someone who worked for him, and there is no chance that some unknown owner was behind Betnomi all the time.

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