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Topic: The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam) - page 8. (Read 2764 times)

copper member
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I'm sometimes known as "miniadmin"
August 03, 2023, 02:04:37 PM
#23
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Need to be an idiot to show your real data everywhere, be a resident of the USA (where they are quite strict about fraud) and at the same time think about Exit Scam.

I mean, I would bet that we have seen worse, haven't we?

Bad management did for sure play a big role in this whole fiasco; the way many things weren't automated and had to be manually approved by the owner (although a lot could have changed in those 2 years we didn't talk) and bragging about hacking and saying people "stalk" him because it is known that he has some over 20ish BTC... And I would even stretch it a bit further. If you know you are not capable of running something, and still try/don't care about the outcome; aren't you in a way also scamming your users (when things indeed go south).

It's not related to this problem, but I do remember parts of what happened to their ICO. AFAIK, the investors never saw a cent out of it, and the idea back in the day was to re-launch the ico token but migrating to a different network and take once again money from investors. I never heard the end of it tho.
legendary
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August 03, 2023, 01:55:48 PM
#22
Yep, "long-lasting scam" as they were able to change the opinion of the forum member after the fake team and fake ICO project issue. Moreover, the had gained a strong support and great reputation in the forum by running free bet offers and by giving 'Cold Wallet' through free raffle. Betnomi had also sponsored in Bitcointalk community awards and Bitcointalk Pie baking contest. A lot of forum members have received custom cold wallet from Betnomi! That's why the forum members ignored the warnings.
Dude, their marketing budget is way over what they could get (from the information we have). In addition, all information about their CEO (including IP and much more is known and confirmed) and I tend to think it all came about because of some very crappy management skills. Need to be an idiot to show your real data everywhere, be a resident of the USA (where they are quite strict about fraud) and at the same time think about Exit Scam.
legendary
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In Search of Incredible
August 03, 2023, 01:40:10 PM
#21
~snip~ maybe there is possible connection with another casino that showed up recently.
Can you also send me the name of the casino in PM? I will try to help you if I can.

In any case, I have no choice but to wait. Although if among the victims there is someone from the United States, write to me.
For the requirement of Betnomi's licence operator, United States was in the restricted countries list in their terms. Still there could be some players from the USA, but you will hardly find any real victims from that country.

That doesn't look good. But a valid question would be why delete their Linkedin page and not do the same for Twitter, Instagram, and Telegram?
They are closing the doors gradually by giving hope to the victims. Betnomi team is getting the advantages of this method, none of the victim has taken any serious step against Betnomi until now.

This was a particularly long-lasting scam... they must have found that running a casino somewhat honestly was profitable, so they kept it going for a long while, until it wasn't. It still goes to show that the warning signs were indeed there from the very beginning.
Yep, "long-lasting scam" as they were able to change the opinion of the forum member after the fake team and fake ICO project issue. Moreover, the had gained a strong support and great reputation in the forum by running free bet offers and by giving 'Cold Wallet' through free raffle. Betnomi had also sponsored in Bitcointalk community awards and Bitcointalk Pie baking contest. A few many forum members have received custom cold wallet from Betnomi! That's why the forum members ignored the warnings.
legendary
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August 03, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
#20
Let's have a look into some other and old facts regarding Betnomi.

Fake team:
The first complaint was raised in 2019 against Betnomi team. It was related to the fake team and fake ICO project. A flag was created against them, and Betnomi representative had received some negative feedbacks too. But the flag was withdrawn later and some negative feedback was turned into neutral. Betnomi team had solved it by sending PM to some forum members and by running a review campaign.

I remember when this went down back then. It was at the tail end of the ICO days, when the investor money stopped flowing like wine. What I remember the most is this picture from the archived version of the scam accusation thread:



As @stompix pointed out at the time,

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Nothing suspicious about it, he just has a 175% bigger head than others...and very poor paint skillz

That picture reminded me of South Park humans:



This was a particularly long-lasting scam... they must have found that running a casino somewhat honestly was profitable, so they kept it going for a long while, until it wasn't. It still goes to show that the warning signs were indeed there from the very beginning.
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August 03, 2023, 09:12:07 AM
#19
To all Betnomi victims:

TrustDice is officially offering a free bonus to Betnomi victims. More details can be found here.
legendary
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August 03, 2023, 07:30:42 AM
#18
Would you mind sharing some more details? I wouldn't mind doing some sniffing around to check a few boxes....
Sure I can do that, just check your PM.
I will send you basic information I have, but I am still in process of collecting more evidence for direct connections between this casinos.
My hope is that someone could fill the gaps and provide additional information I dont know so that we can see if I was right or not.

legendary
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Farewell, Leo. You will be missed!
August 03, 2023, 04:16:07 AM
#17
Some forum members have confirmed that they have started receiving suspicious and spam messages from unknown websites on the email address which they used on Betnomi.
I can confirm the same thing. I have several emails from some CrashOut site on the email I registered my Betnomi account with. The subjects mention welcome bonuses, free money bonuses, and free spins. I never signed up on or ever visited that site. Betnomi could have suffered a hack or a data leak which could explain all this.

A forum member has highlighted that Betnomi team has deleted their Linkedin public page.
That doesn't look good. But a valid question would be why delete their Linkedin page and not do the same for Twitter, Instagram, and Telegram? There hasn't been any activity on social media from their side since May.
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August 02, 2023, 09:48:12 PM
#16
I got a reply today... I tried to explain that he's not the only one with problems.

In any case, I have no choice but to wait. Although if among the victims there is someone from the United States, write to me.
They have the upper hand, they're going to let you wait some more, I am sure that this will all just lead to more waiting. In the transcript of your conversation, I can already imply that they're trying to make it sound like they need your pity and that they're problem is bigger than any of their customers and seeing how much money from the customers are stuck, I don't think it's going to be returned. I hope that I'm wrong about my speculation that they're not going to answer the questions about their credibility but the odds are stacked against them and they're not communicating clearly to establish some assurance.
copper member
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I'm sometimes known as "miniadmin"
August 02, 2023, 08:31:55 PM
#15
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This is my speculation but lot of weird things happened that made me think sorsis intentionally slowly shut down betnomi and started new casino with different name and new token.
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Would you mind sharing some more details? I wouldn't mind doing some sniffing around to check a few boxes....

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Wow, that's really unfortunate and I'm actually sorry to hear. It's not really relevant now, but as far as I can remember, I never actually got paid anything for the time I was helping him/the brand. It sort of got delayed to a  "we will talk about it" and then it never actually happened before we had that problem. But still; I find it surprising to hear that someone that I remember talking about how he had a few tens of BTC (it's 2:30 am, my memory may be fuzzy) saying that he has trouble accessing funds. I understand you wanting to wait; but I also think you've waited enough before pulling the trigger.
legendary
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Slava Ukraini!
August 02, 2023, 06:23:22 PM
#14

Last thing he said is HOPEFULLY and that does not sound good at all Roll Eyes
Yeah, such response doesn't gives much hope that this situation will be resolved. We were waiting for response from him for so long, but after we finally got, sitaution doesn't become more clear at all. Giving such answers to questions is almost same like telling nothing.
legendary
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August 02, 2023, 04:56:48 PM
#13
I got a reply today... I tried to explain that he's not the only one with problems.

In any case, I have no choice but to wait. Although if among the victims there is someone from the United States, write to me.
Last thing he said is HOPEFULLY and that does not sound good at all Roll Eyes
Anyway I know you are managing campaigns so please watch out for any new casinos that showed up in bitcointalk forum in last few months, they could be owned or co-owned by the same people.
I contacted few members who can help me conducting deeper research about this connection, maybe I can send you information if you want.

legendary
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August 02, 2023, 04:49:57 PM
#12
Sorry to hear this icopress and I hope you still get paid money you earned.
It is crazy what he is doing with people who worked with him, and I had my reservations if they are shutting down betnomi for good or not, but I think this is game over for them.
I got a reply today... I tried to explain that he's not the only one with problems.

In any case, I have no choice but to wait. Although if among the victims there is someone from the United States, write to me.


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- Man, I also wanted to know what the status is regarding my payment. You said you could process it at the end of July.
- Yes, I was hoping to be back by now but unfortunately, the issues I came to address here are taking longer than expected. I don’t have access to funds right now
- I would be grateful if you could give me an idea of how long it will take. Bro, to be frank, it's not only you who have problems ... there is a war in my country, and a lot of things are happening in my life that it's hard for me to talk about. I hope you resolve your issues as soon as possible, as this will allow me to resolve mine.
- Yes, I am sorry about this situation. Lots of unexpected things took place and got me in a really bad situation but hopefully, I will get it together soon
legendary
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August 02, 2023, 04:46:21 PM
#11
Note: It will be appreciated if any victims create a flag against Betnomi. I will add the flag link here.
I am not directly affected victim, but I have my theory what is happening with betnomi and maybe there is possible connection with another casino that showed up recently.
This is my speculation but lot of weird things happened that made me think sorsis intentionally slowly shut down betnomi and started new casino with different name and new token.
Maybe it has to do something with legal stuff and his branding being rejected license or he just wants to start again and try to fool people invest in new casino token.
When I collect more information and find connections maybe I will post details about this. 

Thanks for the topic. Probably within a week or two I will create a flag against the Betnomi since they owe me a huge amount.

I also wrote to Sorsis yesterday, (on July 18 he promised to return at the end of August and pay), he read my message, but has not answered yet.
Sorry to hear this icopress and I hope you still get paid money you earned.
It is crazy what he is doing with people who worked with him, and I had my reservations if they are shutting down betnomi for good or not, but I think this is game over for them.
legendary
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August 02, 2023, 03:26:44 PM
#10
My advice to campaign managers is to ensure they already have sufficient fund to run a week from the organizations through their representatives in other not to put their participants on hold after they might have worked but not received pay, isn't it better to always hold than running a week at your own risk, but i think some representatives were actually promising at their words, they don't owe managers even though they were unreached, they will definitely pay every week started to their participants.
What value are you actually bringing to this thread? You're talking about funding for a sig campaign and what managers should be doing(BTW they know what they should be doing) when the thread is about Betnomi exit scamming.

Go get your post quota elsewhere!!
jr. member
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August 02, 2023, 03:25:22 PM
#9
People who deposit in Betnomi are idiots. If you got stolen, you got what you deserved.
I warned people many times on the forum that it is a scam project and that they steal your funds, but nobody wanted to listen.
Now face the consequences! That happens when you don't want to listen and being naive to believe the corrupt DT accounts on the forum.
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
August 02, 2023, 03:24:48 PM
#8
Thanks for the topic. Probably within a week or two I will create a flag against the Betnomi since they owe me a huge amount.

I also wrote to Sorsis yesterday, (on July 18 he promised to return at the end of August and pay), he read my message, but has not answered yet.
Can you please create flag against all the accounts that are belong to Betnomi. I will request OP to collect all the flags and accounts' URLs then add it on the main thread body. It will help all of us to support the flags and leave negative feedback.
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August 02, 2023, 01:15:14 PM
#7
Should the signature campaign funds, if any leftover funds, not be used to pay the victims?
Betnomi signature campaign only runs for a few weeks but is not a long-term one that keeps funds with the manager and even if there were escrow fund during the campaign, the balance would have been exhausted before the end of the campaign, how much is the weekly signature budget by betnomi it just a few hundred $ so it won't change anything even if they are ruining a current campaign.
Betnomi played a well-planned scam on the whole community with their questionable characters they were able to convince the community with the deceptive move through various reviews and tournaments that make forum members to feel at home with them.
sr. member
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August 02, 2023, 12:44:14 PM
#6
It is unfortunate that this is happening and many had to go through pains and inconveniences for their funds stuck at betnomi casino. This issue has been on for long and many were hoping that they would come back to settle or pay pending withdrawals but the reverse was the case. It's so sad to see Ones hard earned resources get lost in such a situation and all efforts put in place to get it back seems abortive. What a devastating situation and manager has chosen to go mute without responding or a message to their campaign manager they owe for long now.
At this point it would be very difficult to withhold anything petition against the betnomi casino and team as a whole. This is more clear a scam act perpetrated by them.
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
August 02, 2023, 12:17:36 PM
#5
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Note: It will be appreciated if any victims create a flag against Betnomi. I will add the flag link here.

Stayzor is about to create a scam accusation and raise a flag, if I am not mistaken. They asked for a guidance --and provided-- on how to create a scam accusation thread on Betnomi's ANN thread.

Should the signature campaign funds, if any leftover funds, not be used to pay the victims?
Betnomi's Signature campaign has been on hold since April, also, judging that icopress is waiting to be paid by Sorsis for the job he has done(not sure if it is being the manager of their campaign), I'd say that there are no funds left on the wallet for Betnomi's Signature Campaign.

February, if I get it right from the announcement on the signature ann thread, the one continued on and got hold on April is the avatar campaign.

And to answer your question about fund, JCLadisav, the wallet is already empty. I won't be surprised if icopress paid part of the final payment from his own pocket.
legendary
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August 02, 2023, 08:53:51 AM
#4
Should the signature campaign funds, if any leftover funds, not be used to pay the victims?
Betnomi's Signature campaign has been on hold since April, also, judging that icopress is waiting to be paid by Sorsis for the job he has done(not sure if it is being the manager of their campaign), I'd say that there are no funds left on the wallet for Betnomi's Signature Campaign.
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