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Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 10, 2023, 12:04:46 PM

Well, the unprofessional team of Betnomi is showing their moves by staying silent. If you want to be in the distrust list of Betnomi representative, then leave a negative feedback on their representative account Grin

Really sad if this is their response to everything that is happening around them. I guess they thought that if they didn't see negative feedback because they added to their distrust list, the problem wouldn't exist.
Considering that they still follow what is happening here, while avoiding giving any answer or explanation, now we can safely add the label exit scam next to the name Betnomi.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2023, 06:40:48 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 10, 2023, 12:04:46 PM

Well, the unprofessional team of Betnomi is showing their moves by staying silent. If you want to be in the distrust list of Betnomi representative, then leave a negative feedback on their representative account Grin

Better to post the whole BB code so that the other members also know what just happened. I had no idea what was going on until I just checked this thread. This shows that they know what they are doing and just refuse to update us what on what happened.

At least now we know he's still alive and lurking around, probably setting up his new scam. What an a-hole. The least he could do is update us on what's going on with the platform.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 10, 2023, 12:04:46 PM

Well, the unprofessional team of Betnomi is showing their moves by staying silent. If you want to be in the distrust list of Betnomi representative, then leave a negative feedback on their representative account Grin

Better to post the whole BB code so that the other members also know what just happened. I had no idea what was going on until I just checked this thread. This shows that they know what they are doing and just refuse to update us what on what happened.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 10, 2023, 05:30:57 PM

Leaving negative feedback on Betnomi profile is probably only thing what we can do, though, it's pointless, I doubt that in future they're going to something with Betnomi brand, it's possible that they will come with new brand.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 10, 2023, 12:04:46 PM

Well, the unprofessional team of Betnomi is showing their moves by staying silent. If you want to be in the distrust list of Betnomi representative, then leave a negative feedback on their representative account Grin

Quote from: holydarkness on September 10, 2023, 11:42:20 AM

I agree that this topic should have been locked like... since few pages ago and not trying to beat the dead horse here, also it's not my habit to check someone else's trust list, but... recent case that I read made me curious, and one thing lead to another...

It's been made known that betnomi was online on 6th of September for no apparent reason, but I think I just found out why and that's because betnomi tried to "clean" their trust feedback. At least cosmetically, or whatever you like to call them. Their current feedback as per this post being made is:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/mO8Dj.jpeg

and it seems they tried to "remove" the negative score by distrusting all who leave negative feedback on them, thus the negative won't shown on their page from their perspective.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/mObnG.jpeg

So, it means that they're still following what's going on here, but not planning to give any update about what's going on. It's nothing new to distrust users who left negative feedback on your profile, but I'm wondering why they added these few new names to their trust list?
Leaving negative feedback on Betnomi profile is probably only thing what we can do, though, it's pointless, I doubt that in future they're going to something with Betnomi brand, it's possible that they will come with new brand.

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Well, the unprofessional team of Betnomi is showing their moves by staying silent. If you want to be in the distrust list of Betnomi representative, then leave a negative feedback on their representative account Grin

Quote from: holydarkness on September 10, 2023, 11:42:20 AM

I agree that this topic should have been locked like... since few pages ago and not trying to beat the dead horse here, also it's not my habit to check someone else's trust list, but... recent case that I read made me curious, and one thing lead to another...

It's been made known that betnomi was online on 6th of September for no apparent reason, but I think I just found out why and that's because betnomi tried to "clean" their trust feedback. At least cosmetically, or whatever you like to call them. Their current feedback as per this post being made is:

and it seems they tried to "remove" the negative score by distrusting all who leave negative feedback on them, thus the negative won't shown on their page from their perspective.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 20, 2023, 02:02:33 AM

I simply wanted to do the same checking process on my Ledger that comes as a prize for the BCA award.
I guess it’s a sensible idea being ultra paranoid toward a customised device that Betnomi knew was directed to a generic “well known user” of the forum.

I don't disagree with that, and you should check if for your own safety, especially after what is happening with Betnomi now. When you say "customized" and "tempered with", I thought you already saw or noticed something being off. But it seems to be just a hunch or a possibility, and you haven't actually found or checked for anything malicious yet.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 18, 2023, 10:20:16 AM

What do you mean?

Quote from: Pmalek on August 19, 2023, 02:40:54 AM

I would be interested in reading more about this. How, when, why do you think that?

Closing this small OT here.
I simply wanted to do the same checking process on my Ledger that comes as a prize for the BCA award.
I guess it’s a sensible idea being ultra paranoid toward a customised device that Betnomi knew was directed to a generic “well known user” of the forum.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 18, 2023, 03:31:30 AM

Maybe your wallet wasn’t tampered, but mine was!
Even if I vaguely remember the Ledger App certified that as genuine.

I would be interested in reading more about this. How, when, why do you think that?
I know that Ledger's initial onboarding setup can be buggy. They are aware of it themselves, that's why there is a link to solutions as to why your computer might not detect the device even if it's connected and unlocked. That also affects the genuine check which won't work. Running the app as administrator, restarting the PC, trying a different USB port, etc., etc., are some ways to "fix" it.

Let's get back to topic of Betnomi's most probable exit scam. @ icopress, any new contact with the reliable folks from Betnomi?

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I think he means that, although I checked my Ledger and it showed up that it was not tampered, that does not necessarily mean that his Ledger was also not tampered, so he will perform a hardware genuine check on his own.

As far as I know, fillippone's Ledger is from winning BCA 2022 at Golden Feather category.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 18, 2023, 03:31:30 AM

Maybe your wallet wasn’t tampered, but mine was!
Even if I vaguely remember the Ledger App certified that as genuine.

What do you mean? Did you received ledger wallet from betnomi in some of their giveaway or you got it from some other source?
I saw them changing PCB's all the time, and to be honest I don't trust their integrity check process very much, as well as their closed source devices.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 18, 2023, 03:31:30 AM

Your guide inspired me so much I decided I am going to do that as well.
Maybe your wallet wasn’t tampered, but mine was!

This is a great decision, as, in case it will turn out that it wasn't tampered, this information will reassure the others which also thought about this.
I'll be looking forward for your results. Be careful though and try to remember the place of each piece when you'll dismantle it. And be very, very gentle during the operation.

Quote from: fillippone on August 18, 2023, 03:31:30 AM

Even if I vaguely remember the Ledger App certified that as genuine.

Even if you saw this... you know very well that what a software says is not always accurate. Honestly, I trust more that fact that I see the PCBs identical than that command which confirmed the Ledger is genuine. In my opinion comparing the PCBs is more important in this check.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 18, 2023, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: fillippone on August 16, 2023, 02:08:41 AM

I guess you are manually doing what the ledger live app is doing behind the curtain.
Don't trust, verify.

Yes, this is exactly what I did.

Excellent.
Your guide inspired me so much I decided I am going to do that as well.
Maybe your wallet wasn’t tampered, but mine was!
Even if I vaguely remember the Ledger App certified that as genuine.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 16, 2023, 02:08:41 AM

Very nice post, and somewhat reassuring.

Grazie tante!

Quote from: fillippone on August 16, 2023, 02:08:41 AM

I guess you are manually doing what the ledger live app is doing behind the curtain.
Don't trust, verify.

Yes, this is exactly what I did.

Quote from: fillippone on August 16, 2023, 02:08:41 AM

The only thing that puzzles me:

Can you trust a list found on the internet? Why Ledger doesn't disclose this kind of information?

Well, I will try to answer to this question below.

The TargetID for Ledger Nano X -- 0x33000004 -- from that list was the same with the one mentioned on Ledger's website. Remember the command mentioned on their website:

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 15, 2023, 02:37:30 PM
Thanks for checking integrity of wallet. After reading your post, it looks like one of these operations that you shouldn't do at home if you don't know what you're doing. Well, this thing is definitely not for my skills. Maybe it would be possible to do it following your instructions, but I doubt that my wallet would work after that.

Glad I could help

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Quote from: Csmiami on August 16, 2023, 07:14:34 AM

Huge leap maybe, but if what Gazeta did was really just manually check what Ledger Live does, I could think that they'd keep that private so that people would be "forced" to check the device/firmware integrity using the official app, and have more downloads ~~and data spied~~

Ledger Live App must be used anyway when updating the firmware, so there is a case for downloading the app and ~~be spied on personal data.~~ .

Anyway not a big surprise here, as the security model at Ledger has always been “Security trough obscurity”.

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Quote from: fillippone on August 16, 2023, 02:08:41 AM

Why Ledger doesn't disclose this kind of information?

Huge leap maybe, but if what Gazeta did was really just manually check what Ledger Live does, I could think that they'd keep that private so that people would be "forced" to check the device/firmware integrity using the official app, and have more downloads ~~and data spied~~

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 05:46:51 AM

After my earlier post, being also inspired by pixie85's post and by icopress' suggestion, I decided to check the hardware integrity of the Ledger I received from Betnomi.

Very nice post, and somewhat reassuring.
The first, and only, thing I made with that signing device was actually performing an integrity check. I guess you are manually doing what the ledger live app is doing behind the curtain.
Don't trust, verify.

The only thing that puzzles me:

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 05:46:51 AM

The entire list of TargetIDs is available on the website I mentioned above (obviously, none of these can be found directly on Ledger's website so you need deep Internet search for obtaining all this information):

Can you trust a list found on the internet? Why Ledger doesn't disclose this kind of information?

Otherwise,

Great work!

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 05:46:51 AM

After my earlier post, being also inspired by pixie85's post and by icopress' suggestion, I decided to check the hardware integrity of the Ledger I received from Betnomi.

Thanks for checking integrity of wallet. After reading your post, it looks like one of these operations that you shouldn't do at home if you don't know what you're doing. Well, this thing is definitely not for my skills. Maybe it would be possible to do it following your instructions, but I doubt that my wallet would work after that.
It's good to read that wallet is genuine. I was a bit sceptical about theory that Betnomi may have done something to it, it sounds like a bit too much sophisticated plan. But when it comes to scammers, you never can be sure.

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It will be appreciated if all of you try to keep the subject of the thread accurate while making your post. GazetaBitcoin had changed it for the content of this post, but he has adjusted it on his next posts. Some other forum members aren't following it.
@ajiz138, will you take your time to merge your consecutive posts?

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 15, 2023, 02:17:52 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on August 14, 2023, 09:09:57 PM

Pretty much sure the post you quoted just proven the exact opposite of your comment.

Lol! That also baffled me. He quoted the conclusion saying the Ledgers are clean while, at same time, he contradicts the conclusion.

Seems like the user has lack of commonsense. We had informed him several times that he is making unnecessary posts here. He ignored those warnings and continuously making unnecessary posts here. Even, it is hard to realize the key point of his post.

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 15, 2023, 02:17:52 AM

Well, you figured that right, holydarkness... It took me around 5 hours to make all that research and write everything

It also takes a long time to read and realise the steps of your post. I have only read the first part of it and ignored the second one where you described the process of opening the device. Thank you for verifying the transparency of Betnomi's given Ledger device.

Edit: @efialtis, I liked the title of the blog Grin

. Looks like you have included some information from this thread.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 02:23:38 PM

It may be an issue with the USB port you are using. Since the cable can be used for powering the Ledger it's obvious that the cable is functional.

The USB port has no problem whatsoever, I have checked everything works on the PC, Yes it can only charge but cannot be connected to the PC with the built-in cable except for other cables that work properly.

I don't know where the problem lies, now it's normal with another data cable, trying to upgrade the firmwae to the latest version works fine and smoothly.

Now not so worried. Cheesy

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