Topic: The Treadmill of Atheism - page 11. (Read 7058 times)

Pay attention.  I have read it.  I was brainwashed when I was younger - forced into church every week before I could think for myself.  Drilled the lies into my brain over and over.

I, like millions of others every year, are moving on from ignorance.

So you believe a rape victim should be forced to marry her attacker?  

You believe the moon is it's own light source?

You believe the world is flat?

Why don't you stop with the semantics and name even one thing that the bible got right...  

It's in the way it is written. Read it yourself, and you will see. 

New answers? Why would one want new answers when the old ones are the correct ones?

Science simply thinks that it knows about the origins of the ice in the core samples.

Well, I hope that even with the weekly brainwashing, most cult members manage to talk to enough normal people to realize it's reflected light - not it's own source.

My point is - back when the bible was written - everyone believed the moon was it's own light source.

How can you believe anything that is written in such a book?  Answer:  You usually don't unless you are forced through repeated church visits.

You play with semantics. I doubt that there is any bible person who thinks that the moon is light. The way that people wrote back then is different from the way that we write. That's all.

Consider, we may find in the future that all material is really made out of light. Who knows what scientists will discover.

Everything I write is true.  You never bothered to educate yourself, relying instead on a dying belief system based on ignorance.

One day you will realize the truth, and you are going to feel like such an idiot for believing,  I know, because it happened to me. 

Again, I do.  I can prove the scientific theories in my own home anytime.  That's how science works.  

If you are getting all your information from the bible (because there is no other information available) then you don't know what you are writing is fact.  So stop passing it off as fact and promoting ignorance.  

Well, finally you are saying something that is true. Only you are talking about your religion of atheism, even though you don't know it.

No, we're not.  Like your priests, information is being moulded to fit into your brainwashing.  The only place the information is shared is in church with other brainwashed members.  Such information will eventually be peer reviewed and restricted to the realm of fairy tales.

The Egyptian "plagues" were cause by a long drought.  The Egyptians eventually let their slaves go because they couldn't be fed.  Nothing to do with your imaginary god.

Again, you don't know that what yo are writing here is fact.  

I do agree with the OP though.  I have been following the Four Horsemen (or three now?)  more closely lately and I noticed there is a lot of times when they give way more concessions to the opposition than ought be allowed.  

But the fact of the matter is this is not something that these debates are really needed to solve.  People are smarter now.  I would wager the least intelligent person today is as smart as the above average intelligent person in the times the Council of Nicea convened, and several hundred years after.  People are not as ignorant to what is real and observable as they were before.  And the church simply does not have the power it used to have.  We still hold reverence to it like it does, for some reason, which is unfortunate.  But whenever anyone tries to challenge me with the "why is Christianity so popular throughout the world then? Are all those people just stupid and duped?"  My answer is no.  The fact is for the 2,000 since Christ the church has brutally murdered anyone who didn't believe the way they did and we are only a few generations from the times when people were burned at the stake for heresy...which was a pretty hefty list of just about anything that didn't involve reading the Bible or being in church.  

The final draft of the Bible as we know it was compiled, not written.

As far as Egyptian history, it's only recently that archaeologists have been able to agree on the timeline of much of it, simply because of what the Egyptian people wrote as fact, when in reality it was exaggerated.

Gradually, we are finding that there are written records of the things written in the Bible. Israel, the nation that was the "home" for the early Bible was destroyed, finally. It is the conqueror who writes the history.

Because you just stated scientific fact.    There is a giant black hole at the centre of most galaxies, including the Milky Way. In a few hundred billion years the earth will be pulled in.

Your bible doesn't mention this, because the people who wrote it were ignorant.  And you are promoting their ignorance 2,000 years later.  

I am hoping that there hasn't been something like a big black hole that has destroyed all of the rest of space, and simply hasn't gotten here. If its destruction is propagated at the speed of light, the only people that might have an instant inkling that destruction is upon us, will be the astronomers that happen to have their eye to the telescope when it hits.

The smarter people would agree with me on this.

Woah, woah woah...Back up...where are you getting this from?  Quite to the contrary:  nearly everything in the Bible has been proven false either through just being straight up wrong or by exclusion from written history.  

By the latter I simply mean the events in question simply are not mentioned, outside the Bible of course.  No Egyptian inscriptions of the adopted son of Pharoah bringing plagues upon Egypt, killing babies, parting the Red Sea, jacking all Pharoah's slaves...and these are people who wrote about EVERYTHING.  The same can be said of Jesus...nothing is ever mentioned anywhere outside of the Bible.  You would think in a time when people are painting and carving things about every God and event and even political campaigns in Pompeii at least one thing might be found proclaiming the miracles of Jesus at all.  

Everything in the Bible is written no closer than the third person, usually further separated, and the final draft that we know and resent today was actually written several hundred years after the written about events.  It is actually a pet theory of mine that the story of Jesus was contrived by the Romans as a tool to maintain control of their vast empire through religious doctrine since it was becoming impossible to rule through political means.  You cannot rule the world through government...but you sure as hell can through religion.  

How do you know this?  Your priest told you?  How does he know this?  His priest told him?

That's what brainwashing is.  Ignoring the proof before your eyes over what you have been repeatedly told.  The earth moves, dude.

 

YOU can only guess - your religion has had no new answers for 2,000 years.     You seem to not comprehend how much we have learned in 2,000 years!

Science knows exactly when the ice was laid down and even what the atmosphere was like at the time.  All using tools and knowledge you could use in the comfort of your own home should you choose to open your closed mind.  

Without going into great detail...

We were taught in school that the speed of light is a constant at approximately 186,000 miles per second. It is only recently that the knowledge that the speed of light changes, and that some scientists have known about this for decades, has come to public light (pun intended).

The point is, we can only guess what the ice core samples are showing us because, we don't know for sure how they were deposited in the distant past.

Absolutely we know this for a fact.  Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's not true.  There are people a lot smarter than you in the world.  

Do you believe president Obama exists?  The only method you have for determining this is from the light that comes off your TV.