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DDP might want to fight Chimaev, but I dont think that UFC is going to allow this fight to happen. Btw, in Russian social media, a strange hype around Chimaev has started recently. A negative wave of hype. That everytime there is a dangerous opponent or a real chance to lose, Chimaev suddenly becomes ill, injured and drops from the fight. Sort of a fake guy. Talented, but avoids real thread.

Btw, we are soon about to see Bo Nickal on UFC 309 against Paul Craig. BJJ black belt, but lost his last 2 fights (and has 1-4 record in last 5 fights or 2 years). Another popular and convenient opponent for Nickal Cheesy

UFC is against building fighters career carefully Cheesy

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^ That's the thing... Even tho Chim hasn't KO'd anybody as of late still means he could KO Whittaker because the latter isn't durable anymore. DDP threw a jab at him and he got wobbled easy. I'm not saying Whittaker can't win or that he'll def get KO'd, but if you're betting on him with a decent size of money it should be as a decent sized underdog. IMHO.

And lol... Is DDP anticipating a Chim win? I think DDP wants to fight Chim next and kill the hype. Cheesy

And afaik Bo Nickal wants to fight Chim too.

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Even if Whittaker has a crystal chin right now, when was the last time we saw Chimaev knocking someone out Cheesy

The longer the fight goes, the better it will be for Whittaker. Dunno in what shape Chimaev is right now, but all those health problems he has, with the way he spends time (he is shooting is (or it is already shot) in Hype - Russian analogue of The Ultimate Fighter + he collaborates with bloggers and participate in their stupid vids), he would better focus more on his career.

My usual Fridays minute of fun Cheesy

I know it is to early to talk, but does anyone knows who will replace Chimaev in case he fails to be ready for Whittaker on UFC 308? Grin

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^ Yup... Not just going in there on short notice but fighting in a weight class that's above his own. But with Whittaker, the problem is he's chinny or he got chinny after taking that punch from Adesanya that got him down. And Chimaev has the grappling advantage for sure. But if the books line Whittaker has a decently sized underdog, my regular 100,000k USD bet would be for him for sure. Lol. Grin

But seriously, Chim as a huge favorite against the top guys at 185..? That's a fade. No way I'm putting any decent amount of money on that.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 19, 2024, 02:13:18 PM

Social media claim, that on UFC 308 Chimaev vs Whittaker it is going to be a 5 round fight. This is a huge disadvantage for Chimaev, and probably an end of his undefeated record. Fought year ago, has health problems, has never been tested in 5-rounders (barely survives 3 rounds) = defeat or will find an excuse to drop this fight.

It's a co-main event, I think those are usually 5 rounders.
I don't think Khamzat's cardio is so bad. It's more of him not pacing himself and going all out early. If his team comes up with a proper strategy for 5 rounds, and if he sticks to it, he should be fine.
No disrespect to Robert, but I think Khamzat will finish him off within the first 3 rounds anyway. Depending on whether or not he fully recovered that is.

No disrespect to Chimaev, but remember his performance against Burns? Even though he won, it was a really hard fight for him. Remember fight against Usman. Usman can be considered as close to old right now, add that he has those knee problems all the time. Went on a 10 day notice against Chimaev and lost only due to majority decision (when it should be UD or Chimaev should have submitted him). Whittakers striking is better than Burns, who gave a nice beating to Chimaev. Whittakers cardio is great (look at how many 3 or 5 rounds fights he had). Whittakers last opponent, Aliskerov, is a small copy of Chimaev (if we talk about wrestling and all that Dagestani stuff) Cheesy

Got KOed in first round. Whittakers wrestling is on a good level (won 2 times against Romero, who has got numerous gold medals and silver on Olympics).

Put on scales all Whittaker skills, and Chimaev disadvantages, and I think that the scales will lean on Roberts side.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 19, 2024, 01:31:49 AM

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 15, 2024, 01:56:25 AM

So the UFC 306 has ended. Before we start discussing the fights more detailed, look on the performance in general. Only 1 tko and 1 submission in whole event. Some posts above it was said that it is business vs business between ufc and boxing. So how and average event viewer would evaluate this event, if there would be almost no finishes? For me: I have seen good and excellent fights yesterday. Average Joe probably got unsatisfied, especially with such ticket cost.

How an average viewer will evaluate these events? I reckon uncle Dana has made everyone witness the future of sports as an entertainment. The Sphere was very much like the sports stadiums shown in these scifi movies where the entertainment for halftime is on holograms with very colorful graphics. I reckon the NBA, NHL, MLB, the NFL and all of sports should learn from the creation of uncle Dana. He has created a new future for not only MMA. This is for all of sports.

If someone is knocked out or submitted = the fight was good. If they see blood = the fight was good. But if they see numerous submission attempts, takedowns during most of the fight, many people say that "fighters were hugging each other or lay on top of each other all the time". What an average viewer wants from the event? He wants to go out, maybe have that one day for himself and have a rest from the family, take a beer, or two, or three and some snacks, watch people getting knocked out, get a taxi after event and go home. No many wants to see two guys hit each other for 15-25min and then win by decision.

I cannot be certain if average viewer has liked UFC 306 because I cannot interview all of them. However, if we check the UFC's revenue, it has been very much growing every year which might imply that much of the average viewers like watching UFC.

Also, Bud Crawford was in the Sphere and he was mistakenly introduced as Kendrick Lamar heheheheh. He was also sitting beside the wealthy Arab. Is this his new promoter? Is uncle Dana the business partner for this new boxing promotion with this Arab?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 19, 2024, 02:13:18 PM

Social media claim, that on UFC 308 Chimaev vs Whittaker it is going to be a 5 round fight. This is a huge disadvantage for Chimaev, and probably an end of his undefeated record. Fought year ago, has health problems, has never been tested in 5-rounders (barely survives 3 rounds) = defeat or will find an excuse to drop this fight.

It's a co-main event, I think those are usually 5 rounders.
I don't think Khamzat's cardio is so bad. It's more of him not pacing himself and going all out early. If his team comes up with a proper strategy for 5 rounds, and if he sticks to it, he should be fine.
No disrespect to Robert, but I think Khamzat will finish him off within the first 3 rounds anyway. Depending on whether or not he fully recovered that is.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 19, 2024, 02:13:18 PM

P.S event is in UAE. Why Khabib and his team, Chimaev likes UAE so much? Due to paycheck or magical medicine of sheikhs? Cheesy

Paychecks + support of fellow Muslim crowd, but secret sheikh's juice could also be at play Grin

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Social media claim, that on UFC 308 Chimaev vs Whittaker it is going to be a 5 round fight. This is a huge disadvantage for Chimaev, and probably an end of his undefeated record. Fought year ago, has health problems, has never been tested in 5-rounders (barely survives 3 rounds) = defeat or will find an excuse to drop this fight.

P.S event is in UAE. Why Khabib and his team, Chimaev likes UAE so much? Due to paycheck or magical medicine of sheikhs? Cheesy

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Still over a week to go, but what are your picks for the next UFC Gight Night main event, Moicano Vs Saint Denis?
They're ranked 11th and 12th respectively, Saint Denis is coming off a loss to Poirier, while Moicano is on a 3-win streak. But it's Saint Denis who's a big favourite here, with odds of x1.36.
French man's record looks pretty impressive with 1 loss and 13 wins (9 by submission and 4 by KO) but he doesn't have any big names in his portfolio. The only one, Dustin, knocked him out cold.

Do you guys think Renato has what it takes to defeat the French boogeyman?

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A fight that ends with a finish can pump up the adrenaline of the audience and I think many people like that kind of fight. That's why fighters with an aggressive style are more liked by fans than fighters who are just trying to get points from the judges. And Uncle Dana has also said that the UFC will not prioritize boring fighters. The UFC is a business and the audience wants a finish or a gladiator fight like Gaetjhe vs Chandler or Figueredo vs Brandon Moreno. I've seen some boring fights like Usman vs Masvidal 1 and Adesanya vs Yoel Romeo that make me think I'm wasting my time watching those fights Grin

. I personally enjoy a full three-round or five-round fight but with the note that it's not a hug match or just looking for points from the judges.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 19, 2024, 12:06:52 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 15, 2024, 01:56:25 AM

So the UFC 306 has ended. Before we start discussing the fights more detailed, look on the performance in general. Only 1 tko and 1 submission in whole event. Some posts above it was said that it is business vs business between ufc and boxing. So how and average event viewer would evaluate this event, if there would be almost no finishes? For me: I have seen good and excellent fights yesterday. Average Joe probably got unsatisfied, especially with such ticket cost.

How an average viewer will evaluate these events? I reckon uncle Dana has made everyone witness the future of sports as an entertainment. The Sphere was very much like the sports stadiums shown in these scifi movies where the entertainment for halftime is on holograms with very colorful graphics. I reckon the NBA, NHL, MLB, the NFL and all of sports should learn from the creation of uncle Dana. He has created a new future for not only MMA. This is for all of sports.

If someone is knocked out or submitted = the fight was good. If they see blood = the fight was good. But if they see numerous submission attempts, takedowns during most of the fight, many people say that "fighters were hugging each other or lay on top of each other all the time". What an average viewer wants from the event? He wants to go out, maybe have that one day for himself and have a rest from the family, take a beer, or two, or three and some snacks, watch people getting knocked out, get a taxi after event and go home. No many wants to see two guys hit each other for 15-25min and then win by decision.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 15, 2024, 01:56:25 AM

So the UFC 306 has ended. Before we start discussing the fights more detailed, look on the performance in general. Only 1 tko and 1 submission in whole event. Some posts above it was said that it is business vs business between ufc and boxing. So how and average event viewer would evaluate this event, if there would be almost no finishes? For me: I have seen good and excellent fights yesterday. Average Joe probably got unsatisfied, especially with such ticket cost.

How an average viewer will evaluate these events? I reckon uncle Dana has made everyone witness the future of sports as an entertainment. The Sphere was very much like the sports stadiums shown in these scifi movies where the entertainment for halftime is on holograms with very colorful graphics. I reckon the NBA, NHL, MLB, the NFL and all of sports should learn from the creation of uncle Dana. He has created a new future for not only MMA. This is for all of sports.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 17, 2024, 01:12:20 AM

I already feel like if Umar Nurmagomedov fight Merab, the fight will take place in UAE. Have you also noticed, that Khabib and all his team fight only or mostly in UAE ? Same goes with Chimaev also. How would you describe such coincidence? In some Russian combat related forums, people joke about Nurmagomedov clan fight only in UEA because sheikhs helps them to cheat with medicine.

I also feel like there will be a fight between them but to be honest, I don't want that to happen because I find it boring. I want him to fight people like Volkanovski and other UFC superstars.

Of course we have noticed that Khabib and his team always pushes to fight in UAE and my explanation is that it's for religious reasons. UAE is a muslim country, he is also a muslim and I think, he probably feels like at home in this place. But there is also another possibility. As we all see, UAE tries to bring boxing and MMA in their country. There were many boxing events in UAE and they probably try to bring UFC there with the help of Khabib and his team.

Quote from: tokeweed on September 17, 2024, 06:41:15 AM

It's gonna be Umar Nurmagomedov next for Merab for sure. But if you guys noticed at Merab's post fight interview he was kinda hesitant to say anything... What he said was he wants to talk to Dana White and the match makers. What that means is he wants to get paid more money to fight the tough Dagestanian bro. I mean he should get paid more. And I hope the UFC doesn't make it hard for Merab. I wanna see that match up.

Yes, he doesn't want to fight with Umar. If you watched Merab's video with Joe Rogan when he got announced as the winner of the match, you would also see how Merab was trying to lick Dana's *$$. Dana disrespected him a lot, called him the next level stupidity but Merab came and said that he loves Dana, he respects Dana and he is grateful of Dana. Well, it's Merab's job what he does but it's clear he tries with his methods to earn a lot of money and become an interesting subject for Dana White to fight superstars.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 18, 2024, 01:25:23 AM

(...)
And blame shield132 if our bet looses Cheesy

Obviously! You can't expect me to take responsibility for my own actions Grin

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 18, 2024, 01:25:23 AM

Anyway, first video name I saw when I have opened YouTube is "Sean O'Malley is taking 1 year pause". It was said, that he wants to take a rest (that is expected) (...)

Apparently he has some hip surgery scheduled for October and it will take a while for him to fully recover from that. He could've used that as an excuse for worse-than-expected performance, but he refuses to do so and just says the better guy has won. I respect him for that.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 18, 2024, 01:25:23 AM

P.S. Still nobody here gave any reaction to Merab kissing Sean Cheesy

That was a hilarious situation, first the kissing, then just casually walking away before the round even ended. I think he got confused with the referee telling him to "stop that". Short clip of the situation:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aDKqx97Yxdo

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Quote from: cabron on September 17, 2024, 10:07:25 AM

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Quote from: cabron on September 16, 2024, 12:19:36 PM

Sandagen vs Omalley most probably and then Omalley to rematch Merab for the belt once again. This is very possible unless Dana is going to allow Umar vs Merab first, it will kill the Omalley hype as Omalley is demoralized after Merab just toying him in the cage.

They were already talking about it. https://x.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1835201267892629857
Umar Nurmagomedov -200
Merab Dvalishvili +170

Quote from: tokeweed on September 16, 2024, 06:37:55 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 15, 2024, 01:46:15 PM

The co-main event is where I felt sleepy TBH.

Bet more.

Grasso vs Shev should have been over in the first round if Shev just got a little more time for rarenaked choke.

It's gonna be Umar Nurmagomedov next for Merab for sure. But if you guys noticed at Merab's post fight interview he was kinda hesitant to say anything... What he said was he wants to talk to Dana White and the match makers. What that means is he wants to get paid more money to fight the tough Dagestanian bro. I mean he should get paid more. And I hope the UFC doesn't make it hard for Merab. I wanna see that match up.

As for O'Malley, the ideal match up is to go for Sandhagen next and win specatcularly via KO to get the next title shot against whoever wins between Nurmagomedov and Dvalshvili. But man if it's Nurmy, 135 is done for while. He'll be champ for a looong time.

He did call Nurmagomedov before so he knows it's going to come one day as their rank is never too far. That was back when he wasn't a champ yet but this time I guess he is weighing his reign being a champ is going to be cut short and he may at least ask a big pay especially since he is not on good terms with Dana.

This is what I found recently on twitter
Not surprising anymore but Dom Reyes is back.

Who called out Umar Nurmagomedov? Merab? Lolol. I don't think so. No UFC fighter is stupid enough to call out the toughest dude in the division without renegotiating his contract. Cheesy

Quote from: OgNasty on September 17, 2024, 12:25:00 PM

I’m glad to see that Suga isn’t making any excuses about his loss to Merab. He said it was a great camp and a great weight cut. He just was beaten. I honestly didn’t expect that from Suga, but it’s nice to see him being humble in defeat. I’m not sure how much success he’ll have going forward, but he had a great run for his skill level.

Yup... But really, what excuse could he make? The one with Marlon Vera was a valid one imho as O'Malley wasn't really beaten. It was a fluke and we saw that in the rematch.

Anyway, it looks like we'll have another weekend without the UFC. But the next one is decent. Anybody else think Moicano is live at 3.10? Saint Denis is low key chinny. And Moicano has the grappling advantage and isn't that bad at striking himself.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on September 17, 2024, 10:24:34 AM

Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2024, 06:05:41 AM

A friend of mine is Merab's "brother", he trains since his childhood, Merab trains him and soon we will see a new Georgian fighter on UFC Octagon.

What's the guy's name?
If he's really good, we might start betting on him while he's still unknown Grin

And blame shield132 if our bet looses Cheesy

Anyway, first video name I saw when I have opened YouTube is "Sean O'Malley is taking 1 year pause". It was said, that he wants to take a rest (that is expected), and he wants his next opponent to be a striker, so he is skipping some dudes and wants to fight Sandhagen (wait, does it means that Sandhagen got a new opponent already? Last time he fought was August 3). Also O'Malley told that he earn 3 times more from his social media activity, than he gets from UFC (it was said that O'Malley earned 2.5-3kk from this fight).

P.S. Still nobody here gave any reaction to Merab kissing Sean Cheesy

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 17, 2024, 12:25:00 PM

I’m glad to see that Suga isn’t making any excuses about his loss to Merab. He said it was a great camp and a great weight cut. He just was beaten. I honestly didn’t expect that from Suga, but it’s nice to see him being humble in defeat. I’m not sure how much success he’ll have going forward, but he had a great run for his skill level.

I don't see any reason for O'Malley not being humble on this one because he's just got outclassed, outboxed, and the fight was one-sided since the first round. Takedowns favoring Merab, total strikes favoring Merab since the first round. I expect him to bounce back after this loss, but it was a good fight overall.

Quote from: cabron on September 17, 2024, 10:07:25 AM

This is what I found recently on twitter
Not surprising anymore but Dom Reyes is back.

This fight will be anticipated that's for sure.
The main event and the co-main event is a big time. A rematch between Oliveira and Chandler and in their first meeting, Oliveira defeated him in the 2nd round. With McGregor out due to an injury that caused the fight with Chandler to be postponed, he wants to fight another one and it's good to see him fighting.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 16, 2024, 06:37:55 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 15, 2024, 01:46:15 PM

The co-main event is where I felt sleepy TBH.

Bet more.

Grasso vs Shev should have been over in the first round if Shev just got a little more time for rarenaked choke.

Saw that one as well while I'm watching it, and definitely it was over if that choke happened when there's a minute left on the clock. I'll try to bet more in the upcoming UFC fights that's for sure, but the fight is just boring especially with lots of takedowns. It's only me though and for sure those avid UFC fans out there find it entertaining still. Cheesy

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I’m glad to see that Suga isn’t making any excuses about his loss to Merab. He said it was a great camp and a great weight cut. He just was beaten. I honestly didn’t expect that from Suga, but it’s nice to see him being humble in defeat. I’m not sure how much success he’ll have going forward, but he had a great run for his skill level.

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Quote from: shield132 on September 16, 2024, 06:05:41 AM

A friend of mine is Merab's "brother", he trains since his childhood, Merab trains him and soon we will see a new Georgian fighter on UFC Octagon.

What's the guy's name?
If he's really good, we might start betting on him while he's still unknown Grin

Quote from: tokeweed on September 16, 2024, 06:37:55 AM

(...) But sad to say to O'Malley supporters that Sandhagen is pretty good, with unlimited cardio, high volume and has never been KO'd in a match. I really hope he comes in as the underdog if matched up vs O'Malley.
(...)

Will you be betting on Sandhagen if such a fight happens and he's an underdog? I probably wouldn't unless the odds are really good (which would be unlikely as O'Maley is coming off of a loss). Cory might have never been KO'd, but he's a striker, so should be quite convenient for Sean.
That being said, I'm checking the physical attributes for both and, according to Wikipedia, they are both of the same height (I thought Sean was taller) and Sean has only 6cm reach advantage, which is not significant. So who knows, maybe Sandhagen would be a good bet.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 17, 2024, 06:41:15 AM

Quote from: cabron on September 16, 2024, 12:19:36 PM

Sandagen vs Omalley most probably and then Omalley to rematch Merab for the belt once again. This is very possible unless Dana is going to allow Umar vs Merab first, it will kill the Omalley hype as Omalley is demoralized after Merab just toying him in the cage.

They were already talking about it. https://x.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1835201267892629857
Umar Nurmagomedov -200
Merab Dvalishvili +170

Quote from: tokeweed on September 16, 2024, 06:37:55 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 15, 2024, 01:46:15 PM

The co-main event is where I felt sleepy TBH.

Bet more.

Grasso vs Shev should have been over in the first round if Shev just got a little more time for rarenaked choke.

It's gonna be Umar Nurmagomedov next for Merab for sure. But if you guys noticed at Merab's post fight interview he was kinda hesitant to say anything... What he said was he wants to talk to Dana White and the match makers. What that means is he wants to get paid more money to fight the tough Dagestanian bro. I mean he should get paid more. And I hope the UFC doesn't make it hard for Merab. I wanna see that match up.

As for O'Malley, the ideal match up is to go for Sandhagen next and win specatcularly via KO to get the next title shot against whoever wins between Nurmagomedov and Dvalshvili. But man if it's Nurmy, 135 is done for while. He'll be champ for a looong time.

He did call Nurmagomedov before so he knows it's going to come one day as their rank is never too far. That was back when he wasn't a champ yet but this time I guess he is weighing his reign being a champ is going to be cut short and he may at least ask a big pay especially since he is not on good terms with Dana.

This is what I found recently on twitter
Not surprising anymore but Dom Reyes is back.

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