Topic: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread - page 185. (Read 88536 times)

I believe Fig was talking about moving up a division? If that's the case, he could vacate the title if he wins on the weekend anyhow. Moreno will probably take it again after that, not sure who that title fight would be against though. There's a few biting at the heels, but I don't see any major threats for Moreno.

I'll be posting my predictions tomorrow. I don't think I'll be changing much from my early leans. Big fight weekend though with a lot of competitive fights, but also some very important fights. We've got a few months of some great headliners too. Mostly, looking forward to seeing Jones in the heavyweight division though.

There is nobody else who can challenge this two guys in flyweight division, this is the reason.
Only way this could happen if Aljamain Sterling, Petr Yan or someone else would step down in lower division, make brutal weight cut to fight them, but I don't see this happening soon.
UFC could always sign new unknown poor slave flyweight fighters that could earn Dana White money for more cocaine 

I can definitely see your point. Although, they've been fun to watch every single time so I'm not too fussed about it, plus they've always been competitive against each other. While, I wouldn't like to see them go against each other again after this fight, I'm still looking forward to it. Also, from a betting perspective I don't know who to go with. My head says Fig, while my heart says Moreno. It's actually the one fight stopping me from posting up my predictions, since it's just so damn close.

 

^  Rofl I don't get the whole Santa Barbara thing but there's something about the music that made me chuckle a bit.    But yeah, it feels like we're kicking a dead horse rn.  It sucks but it's done.  And I would've bet for Ngannou against Jones at anything at 1.60 and above.  Don't think Jones could out muscle Ngannou with Jones coming back from a long lay off and moving up in weight class.

As for Fig vs Moreno 4, I don't mind it tbh.  I've enjoyed all their match ups and looking forward for another one.  This one is close to a coin flip but I think Fig wins it as the event is in Brazil..  That's if he has a good weight cut.  The guy is huge for 125.  So wait for weigh ins.

Please stop this Ngannou vs UFC drama  We all know that how crappy UFC management is. There might be hundred fights like Ngannou that complain how bad and unfair contracts are, yet people will still think that UFC is the best promotion ever and dream to get there. Take Don King for example. Everyone knew how he robs his fighters, how he manipulates boxing. People still were ready to sign contract with him, to let him do business and etc. Situation with Ngannou is not the first and the last.

I am more pissed with Moreno vs Figueiredo fight. Fourth fight. Come on, give other guys a chance to become a champion. I would laugh it their fight ends with a draw and we are going to see a fifth fight.

It's worth of listening every minute so people can understand what piece of shit Dana White is.
He tried to make Ngannou look bad saying he will now fight with weaker fighters, and that he was overweight 300 pound injured man, all lies coming from angry abuser.
UFC didn't actually release Ngannou but his contract was expired in December, he only respected his word and people from UFC and waited for their decision.
We just need to have few more people like Ngannou and all this house of UFC cards will start to fall down, and this will result in fighters creating union or something new will be created.
If Dana wants to rule fighters will fear it's only a matter of time when his empire on glass feet will crumble.
Right now everyone is still afraid to say anything about Ngannou case because they will be punished by UFC, they are like slave gladiators.

I'll be putting my predictions out in the next day or so, it's a good event. However, Ngannou leaving is a big thing, that's a current champion who seems to have been advocating for benefits for all fighters rather than just looking for bigger money in the deal. If that's true, then it's an incredibly bad look on the UFC, especially since they're claiming he's scared to fight.

Seems like a great person, he basically came from nothing, and become champion. If he was a little more charismatic he would've probably been one of the biggest stars the UFC has ever seen, because his fighting style, and build is obviously something that attracts fans.

Lol yup.  Let's see those picks, make some bets and have a little fun come fight day.    There's nothing we can't do about Ngannou anymore.  Sure it's a huge loss for the UFC but the UFC isn't going anywhere.  They're now gonna squeeze every drop they can get from Jon Jones at HW.

And yeah, Burns way better, way faster, has powerrr and more explosive than Magny...  Magny way taller with way longer reach tho.  I still like Burns but it's an interesting match up.

At first glance my most confident picks are Burns, Andrade, Rodrigues and Almeida.  They're all chalky tho.

The interview with Ariel is well worth a watch for those who want to hear Francis' side of the story. It seems like he's walking away from a very large amount of money. What he was asking for wasn't unreasonable but I don't think the UFC is willing to give fighters those things. It looks like they tried to get him on a huge fight deal probably similar to the 8-fight deal Jon Jones was on but then he wanted a three fight deal which Francis seemed to think he could get done in a year which was optimistic.


Yeah, I didn't like how Dana tried to spin the narrative there. Ariel had some good comments on what Dana should have said instead. Interestingly it doesn't look like Francis is opposed to re-joining the UFC but probably knows he won't ever get the terms he wants. Maybe if Dana ever leaves then there might be a shift in how the UFC is run. Francis said he is likely to box next and named Fury and AJ as people he would like to fight but those are unlikely to happen. Maybe Eddie Hearn should contact him about doing a co-promotion to get him into the boxing world. I just hope Francis has something already lined up behind the scenes - or nearly lined up - as he almost certainly isn't going to get what he the UFC offered him with another rival MMA promotion. He will get a huge payday against someone like Fury but like I said before Fury has a queue of people lining up to fight him and I'm not sure when they could squeeze that fight in. Maybe Francis should try box a couple of other people first before going for a megafight.

Is Ngannou more interested than UFC 283 ? Already second page of discussion He is no longer in UFC, so lets move on.

Main card of UFC 283 looks great. Main and co-main fights are worth not missing. Burns vs Magny. I believe Burns gonna finish him. Magny mostly looses by submission, and we all know that Burns is a master of it. Almost every last Magny fight went full distance, which makes a lot of time for Burns to submit him. If someone plan to place a bet, I would suggest to consider choosing Burns by sub.

After inactivity for a long time, I think he had already decided to move out of UFC. Ngannou in PFL and a boxing offer made his decision a good decision after all. Maybe the fight that never happened may still have a chance such as Ngannou vs Jones if PFL and UFC agree.

$3M for a single fight is not what he can get in UFC, that's a big money and he could do more than that in boxing.

I've felt for a while that Francis not only wants to get paid what he thinks he deserves, but also wanted to make the move to boxing. I don't know if that's what he'll end up doing, but I got that impression from how he's been talking the last year or so. However, he's been a good sport in my opinion, hasn't spoken out too much about the situation despite there obviously something going on behind the scenes.

The podcast will be some insight just to have two sides of the story, but ultimately I don't like seeing Dana throw him under the bus, there may have been the possibility he came back after his adventures elsewhere.

Well, what could possibly go wrong he is a massive guy, and with performance wise, he is the champion so he can do anything for himself, too much Khabib Nurmagomenodov had much success and open up a combat fighting of his own, and I think Francis Ngannou could think of something of his own, or maybe find a different career well after the boxing match with Tyson Fury because Fury is the big money actually,

Well, that is the thing most of us keep on noticing the level of competition with each fighting promotion you can see the level of fighters in the UFC and in the other promotion if you pit them to fight each other there is a gap between the other fighting promotion and pretty much UFC will keep on winning those fight if it happens,


Nice Find on Francis Ngannou's Trainer definitely knows something and pretty much I am waiting for Francis Ngannou's statement the thing here is I never really trust the UFC's management there is some shady stuff going on inside, but even though that was the case we all really enjoy those fights but sometimes forget the value of fighters and I think Francis Ngannou is a big asset that has run away for the UFC, and as I have to know PFL is offering him a much greater contract because we all know the level of audience invitation when PFL would sign Ngannou, although I think Bellator will be a great new home for him well PFL is really good enough,

For everyone who thinks that Ngannou was wrong for not continuing to work with Dana the Abuser Junky, here is the list of requests he had during negotiations.
He asked for right of a sponsorship, he asked for health insurance, he asked for a fighter advocate in the board meeting.
He didn0't expect UFC to accept all requests but they didn't accept a single thing he proposed except they offered with much more money.
Listen to first special interview Ngannou made with Ariel Helwani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vngym7ChcM

Maybe he thinks Dana is not greedy because he can slap his wife in public and do cocaine with whores, that sounds not greedy behavior at all.
Dana's mother say he is greedy, but erumo knows him better  

In this situation, I believe the UFC actually has the upper hand. Because even if he does decide to boycott the UFC and go to any other fight club, he is not going to get more money compared to the UFC anyway. So in this case, that UFC has the upper hand.

He can certainly get more money by becoming a boxer. But that's another story. As far as the mixed martial art is concerned I do not think that anyone is going to pay him as the UFC does. Actually, I am sure that no one is going to pay him like the UFC. So this decision might actually be bad for his future and carrier. It will be better if both Francis and the UFC can come to a common ground.


Duke khan

Dana said, Dana said, Dana said. If Dana said water isn't wet would you believe him? Dana might as well be saying we offered him loads of bad deals but he didn't take any of them and now he's saying Ngannou was scared of the competition which is complete BS. You've got to remember that the contracts ufc give their fighters makes them independent contractors and not employees, yet they don't let them fight outside of the ufc and they don't allow them to wear their own clothes or sponsors. You either are a third party or you're an employee but the ufc wants to have their cake and eat it too so they can get away without properly paying fighters. If you're making fighters sign contracts as essentially self employed then you need to let them be self employed and work out their own sponsorships and merch deals and do whatever else they want.


They can take sponsorships outside of the UFC but what good is that when companies pay for fighters to wear their branding during, before and after the fights. The UFC are sponsored by Crypto.com and Venom clothing. All that money goes to the UFC. They're not allowed to wear the sponsors on their clothing or shorts nor can they get their own clothing deals. The UFC is one of the only sports companies to do this. The UFC are being greedy by taking on exclusive deals that benefit them and them alone.


He's been a free agent for what, a few days? I'm sure he will announce something soon or is certainly working on something. He wanted to fight Fury before and Fury was also game bringing him out at the Chirsora fight but guess what, Francis couldn't do anything at the time because the UFC wouldn't let him, which is funny seeing as the fighters are supposedly independent contractors but can't actually do what they want. I might even understand it if UFC signed exclusive deals for them to only fight MMA with them but to not allow cross over boxing which will only bring even more eyeballs to the UFC is insane. Funny how Connor got that privilege but nobody else.


Izzy has literally said they're both in different situations / deals and described Francis' deal as "atrocious": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccT3RDWt90

Some fighters seem to get better deals than others and some fighters certainly get Dana White Privilege.


You mean Fernand Lopez? Again, two sides to every story. Lopez has spoken about his regret of that situation and seemingly did many things that were untowards after the split: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X73As65cgBQ

Maybe it's like after a bad break up your girlfriend lying and telling everyone you have a small dick and were bad in bed. Said nothing when the times were good though.


It seems like you already had made your mind up on Francis long ago, but again, why is Dana/the UFC not even more greedy when they don't let fighters do what they want, nor do they pay them appropriately. If Francis feels like he's getting a bad deal, which he is, then he is free to leave and that's what he has done. That to me is being smart rather than just signing your life away to stay with a company you don't even like and know is exploiting you. Maybe he might not even get more money elsewhere but at least he will be free to do what he wants as he should as a supposed independent contractor.

Ok, you say that I am avoiding speaking about Dana, here is what I've heard and what I find strange. Francis told that there is no medical insurance in contracts. Dana White always say that they give fighters medical protection. That UFC pay anything that is needed for a fighter to recover. Because fighters are their bread and water. Dana said that they had numerous conversations with Francis, and he refused everything. How can Dana be bad, if he wanted to organize a fight, and Francis refused every offer?

You say that fighters arent allowed to advertise others. As a crypto forum, I will answer with crypto facts - why we see Roobet, Stake casinos ads on fighters, if crypto.com is official UFC sponsor?

Francis loosing millions due to contract with UFC - was there a real offer for a boxing fight? Did anyone really promised him millions? Why after he did not sign new contract, he immediately sign new contract with boxing promotion, if Francis thinks he is so demanded for boxing? If he was so unhappy with UFC contract and wanted to be free, but continue to fight and earn, then why we dont see no announcements?

Take Francis friend - Adesanya. Both were champs. Why one is happy with UFC and drives exclusive cars, while other complains how bad UFC is? Maybe Francis just suck at negotiating?

And dont forget about situation between Francis and his french coach. Dont you find it strange, that coach said that Francis did not pay enough (or pay at all) or share % of his purse? Probably coz of his "UFC contract" and low payment?

My opinion on Francis stays strong. He is greedy. I am more than confident that he will have contract problems with other aswell.

^  Maybe you guys right but then again leaving the UFC could cost Ngannou more than it cost the UFC.  So he better get the boxing gig vs Fury as money doesn't last unless he invested smart.  But with how the economy is all over, I pretty much doubt it.

And guess who the UFC offered a fat contract to years ago to bw one of the highest paid heavyweight fighters.  Fedor...  But he turned it down.  He's consideredto be one of the best but was Bellator or any organization willing to give him the kind of money the UFC was offering?  I don't think so..

Some vids to watch..

UFC Free Fight:  Figueiredo vs Moreno 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afhOsADGIPY

UFC Free Fight:  Figueiredo vs Moreno 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OvLShbC1WU

UFC Free Fight:  Figueiredo vs Moreno 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRKXm5l4TI

UFC Free Fight:  Teixeira vs Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XI0UJbCFLc

UFC Free Fight:  Hill vs Santos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8n8UvBXwQ

And here's the Multi Master.

UFC 283 - Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-ufc-283-multi-master-challenge-saturday-5434973

The UFC contract is squeezing them and they don't even have the chance to make money somewhere else because the contract says so. It's kind of like modern Gladiator/slavery in the new age but only a few got the balls to fight back because Dana or his org can actually ruin thier lives.

Demetrious Johnson doesn't even want to speak anymore about his way out. Francis may actually not get into some fights even in other organizations like PFL or Bellator. Apart that Ngannou is scary to fight with, Dana's friends are all over.  It's going to bite Dana if he gets an opportunity in boxing with Tyson Fury. I think this is possible since Francis is already famous. It's just the demand for this fight that has to work out.

Because there's always at least two sides to every story and it seems like you've already made your mind up here for some reason. Why aren't you accusing Dana White of being greedy offering terrible lowball contracts to even his biggest superstars forcing them to go elsewhere? UFC contracts are already notoriously pretty stingy and also don't allow you to get paid by external sponsors for your kit etc. Ngannou is likely literally losing out millions because of that. I'd argue he's probably losing far more than what the UFC are giving him even on this extended contract that will have been essentially a slave contract for a ludicrous amount of fights like the 8 Jon Jones is now on. It might not even be about the money for Francis but how restrictive the contracts are and he just feels he will be better off elsewhere. The UFC won't allow him to box either and the potential fight with Tyson Fury might be more lucrative than his entire UFC contract. I don't blame Francis or all the other UFC fighters that are leaving in droves either. When Nate Diaz is getting paid double for a random fight than what Francis is getting for a title fight against one his most challenging opponent you know something isn't right but before you make your mind up I'd at least wait to hear what Francis has to say. Francis might just feels disrespected by the UFC and he certainly has a right to be because he wasn't getting what he was worth for his previous fights. Francis seemed to be being pretty reasonable about his contact situation during his injury but I'm guessing Dana didn't want to let him box or pay him what he was truly worth so now here we are.


Doesn't have anything to do with that. You've been here since 2018 so you're not exactly new unless you bought this account. You're entitled to your own opinion but you're basing it entirely off of what Dana has said and don't even seem willing to wait to find out what Francis has to say. You might as well just be telling Francis to shut up and sign a document without you or him even reading it. Since Francis didn't sign he must have some pretty good reasons for doing so as he's walking away from a lot of money and the biggest MMA promotion but he shouldn't resign just because of those things either.