Topic: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread - page 383. (Read 100097 times)

Muay thai fighters have rarely dominated in the UFC though, so I wouldn't say they're any more effective than other styles. Wrestlers, BJJ or GJJ seem to be the most dominant through the years. I mean the Gracies created it to prove that their style was the best.

Talking in terms of records Ngannou's is longer. Plus, I suspect Ngannou has grown up fighting. I'm not sure about Gane's history, though I do think I recall watching snippets of Ngannou when he was younger back at home fighting amateurishly.

I watched it. Maybe I am way to much fan of muay thai. But I believe that thai fighter train their legs so hard, turn them into stones, that they can win just by blocking kick. As if opponent kicks the wall. I see Ngannou as a puncher only, while Gane is more universal fighter.


Bookies (at least my local) give 1.77 for Ngannou and 1.9 for Gane, while I see Gane a favorite in this fight. He has more fighting experience

Considering the vastly different opinions here on who's going to win, and how I think the bookies might have got it right. I mean for me, if I was to place a  bet on Ngannou it would be via TKO/KO just to bump up the odds a little more, and to be honest that's probably the most likely outcome if he was to win. I could possibly see a submission maybe, remember that Ngannou actually started his career with a bunch of submissions rather than knockouts.

For me the logic behind Gane is; He's the most technical, and will likely out point Ngannou. Therefore, he has the upper hand in the decision, potential knockout, and submission. Whereas, in all likelihood Ngannou is going there for the knockout, and is unlikely to win by points. Submission like I said still undecided on that, but Gane probably has the technical ability to prevent any sort of submission.

I'm kind of hoping Ngannou does win to be honest.

^  Ngannou looked like he could throw some nasty leg kicks too.  Watch the vid I posted above.  He wasn’t throwing them much but you could see Miocic was bothered everytime Ngannou threw them.

And what do you mean too bad the bookies don’t agree with you?  If they did then Gane would be having a worse line that what the books are laying them for right now.  I’m on the other side...  I think Ngannou could finish Gane within three rounds imho.  Stake has Ngannou at 1.94.  I think that’s value.  I think we’d be watching the match and realize he should be at least the 1.50 favorite.

Brock Lesnar had an awful injury (from wrestling and wwe probably, I dont remember right now the detailes). Doctors said that he most likely wont be able to do sports anymore. However recovered and participated in wrestling and MMA for years. Ngannou does not have an injury, yet. He is the guy that distribute injuries

I think Gane has more chances to win, as he has a fighting base, while Ngannou only trained boxing in his early. Gane just need to keep distance and wait until Ngannou runs out of stamina (that will be hard to achieve). Gane could easily slowdown Ngannou with low kicks, he is a muay thai fighter after all. Than it will be a matter of time when Gane will catch Ngannou. Too bad bookies does not agree with me.

^  Cain Velasquez had a couple of injuries that were nagging him during his run in the UFC.  He had an almost bum knee which he had surgery.  And there was his lower back injury which took him out from fighting for more than a year, which he also had surgery but it didn’t go as planned and took his career in limbo...

In hindsight, I think it was Cain Velasquez who asked to be matched up vs Ngannou as a last fight deal cos he prolly really needed the money.

Francis Ngannou reminds me of a Cain Velasquez (btw they meet in the octagon ). They both are the guys who prefer an early knockout to strategy.  Anyone remember when Cain retired or why he no longer fights in UFC ? I dont. He just disappeared. I clearly remember that he was not on a series of losses. I think same will be with Ngannou. Despite he makes good money for UFC, he pisses them off. UFC will try to remove him from their roster.

Ngannou has got this reputation has a puncher, and really isn't all that great at anything else. However, like tokeweed says, he showed in that Stipe fight that he has improved massivelly on his grappling, and wrestling skills. Alright, he might not be Ryan Hall, but he has shown hes improving in areas he wasn't really known for being technical at.

I don't think Gane is going to be wrestling him anyway. I actually think he'll go toe to toe with Ngannou, and quite probably might take the belt on the night.

I didn't know I wanted this until I saw this. Absolutely, make it happen. Alright, I think in a boxing match Fury knocks Ngannou from pillar to post, but it'll be entertaining since it'll just be like the Wilder fight. Wilder possess huge knockout power just like Ngannou. Alright, Ngannou probably isn't as technical at Wilder, but Wilder isn't exactly that technical himself.

Could be fun, I'm thinking Ngannou might even not be bothered about his fight with Gane, and Gane takes the easily. Think I'll definitely be betting a little more on Gane now. Ngannou seems distracted, and considering his options rather than fighting for his life to keep the belt. You just know Gane's going in with every intention of walking out with that belt, no matter how hard he has to work for it.

Tired?  I don’t recall Miocic saying any of that sort after the event.  Miocic got his sh*t KO’d out of him in that match.  Lol.

And yup..  Jones would def have the wrestling advantage but Ngannou improved in that department too.  Watch the vid in that post you quoted.  Ngannou scrambled and took Miocic’s back and started pounding away.  It was good. 

Anyway, here’s a vid by Dan Hardy and what he thinks is in store as far as match ups and rankings are concerned for the UFC in 2022.  The argument for Ankalaev to be champ before 2022 just got stronger. 

UFC Match Ups and Rankings Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZERRHsAqkg

Just in Tyson Fury is calling out Francis Ngannou I think this is the reason why Ngannou wants to get out of contract with the UFC he really loves boxing so much he might do it and if he loses to Ciryl Gane the better chance he can sure grab that opportunity Tyson Fury is offering he wants to fight Francis Ngannou on a boxing match rules but with UFC gloves, this could be a good exhibition match for Ngannou the fact that Tyson Fury wants to fight him in a UFC gloves goes to show a handicap for Ngannou give n this Ngannou is so comfortable with that gloves that he can knock anyone with it, but I will not underestimate Fury because with the UFC gloves as well can sure have a devastating punch like a boxer and given that the fight will be in boxing rules, If Francis Ngannou would win against Ciryl Gane this fight will have to wait because Ngannou as a champion will have to sign another contract to the UFC but if Ciryl Gane would win we could definitely see this fight maybe this year.



But apparently, Francis Ngannou just Tweeted back to Tyson Fury saying this and I don't know what gloves they are using and apparently, this is just a mind game for both camps.

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Yup! pretty much Floyd Mayweather Jr. won that fight no doubt about it, he has done some pretty evasive maneuver moves and that is his style, and part of boxing so there is no excuse with that.

I think partly the reason it feels a lot longer than it has been, is because hes been rumoured to be making a comeback for months now. Plus, there's been numerous happenings outside the UFC, which hasn't really showed him in a great light recently.

I honestly, as much as I would like to see him fight Ngannou just don't see him making a return. He's going up against Dana, will probably demand too much money that Dana isn't willing to pay, and it just won't happen.

Tyson Fury is a bit of a genetic freak, he's what 6ft 9? That's pretty incredible to be that height, and be a professional boxer with the kind of movement that he does have. Especially, considering his weight added on top. There's several other boxers who are shorter, and his weight, but still don't have the movement of Fury.

Genetics, and upbringing if you like are vital to how you develop. Tyson Fury being surrounded by a fighting family no doubt played a part, but he definitely genetically gifted in a lot of ways.

Well said. I would replace "genetics" with "upbringing", because I think that words you hear and deeds you see while growing up are way more important for what you become than molecules in your body, but overall yeah, that's what makes you a champ.

Tyson Fury is a good example. Having a lot of professional boxers among his relatives, surely he was influenced by them.


It's unclear whether there will be a rematch(maybe not), but it's a fact that Mayweather won the fight on May 2, 2015, no matter what Pacquiao's fans are saying.

Just saw that Claudia Gadehla is writing a book now that she is retired. We can expect that to happen more and more, but makes me wonder if the market will become oversaturated with books from fighters that think that's a way to a quick buck after the career ends. Don't see it happening yet, as most books that come out are actually interesting, but down the line, that could become a thing. Also, reminded me of a couple of books I really enjoyed. Chael Sonnen's 'Voice of Reason', Mark Hunt's 'Born to Fight' and Forrest Griffin's 'Got Fight' are good reads and I recommend them to anyone that want's some nice inside into a time when cage fighting was relatively new.

I haven't seen Jon Jones fight in a long time, if I'm not mistaken the last time I saw his fight was in 2020 , now it's been reported that Jon Jones has managed to gain weight to fight in the Ufc Heavyweight Championship and if it's true that he will make a comeback, of course  it will be interesting if later he could face one of the winners of the fight between Francis Ngannou and also Ciryl Gane at Ufc 27O later.

He is the Owner sure he would defend fighter pay that is all flag out on the internet, and I think Dana White is the one in control he is the face of UFC and I think Ari Emanuel is trusting him mostly with the decision, surely they will, and I don't want any further topic about this anymore, I do conclude they can sure do anything they want this is their company and we can not compare different sport payments to players with the UFC because they had different situations.


Surely enough he has that reputation, and no doubt he is a great boxer and with his very clean record surely thing that is not all just dumb luck, you can not have all luck with boxing they sure need hard work and connection to surely get on top, without any lost records on your scorecard, pretty much Floyd Mayweather is pretty careful on what he is doing towards his career, and I sure understand why he keeps on not accepting fights with Pacquiao back then I think he is pretty Cautious in who's gonna fight.

The fight between Ngannou and Gane is the fight that I am most looking forward to at UFC 270 later, Ngannou is currently in a pretty good performance as a heavyweight belt holder in the UFC, Ngannou until now has managed to maintain his victory after he last time lost in 2018, and I think Gane will be a pretty balanced opponent for Ngannou, because so far Gane also has a pretty good fighting record and Gane has managed to be unbeaten in his last 10 fights.
Of course, it will be very interesting to see who will be the best of the two fighters, especially since the fight will be a battle for the world heavyweight title between Ngannou (heavyweight belt holder) and Gane (interim belt holder).

I'm actually only really interested in the fight with Jon Jones, and Ngannou. My response above was in align with the assumption that Gane beats Ngannou. Though, that's definitely not a guarantee, its just my gut feeling. I'm not interested in Jon Jones becoming a champion, I don't particularly like the guy for his out of the cage antics, he's just a good fighter, and I think Ngannou has the best chance of knocking him out. Think hes too good for Gane, as Gane only has the technical side over Ngannou. However, Ngannou will always have a chance with the amount of power he possess against both Gane, and Jon Jones.

You are probably right on that one. What's really a telling sign could be Jon's inactivity. For a fight against Ngannou, he would have to be on a better track record than one fight per year, because he really wouldn't be able to afford any mistakes. And when I say more activity, I mean more activity in that weight class with that weight on himself to test out the cardio in real-time, to see what adjustments need to be made to accomodate additional muscles and fat. So there's a lot here to calculate. But as far as I see it, I don't see it happening. I have no idea if we will even see Jon back. Back as his former self.

The only question mark on the Ngannou vs Miocic 2 fight is whether Ngannou was indeed getting tired as Stipe claimed he was.

If Jon Jones has advantages over current era heavyweights it could be his reach, cardio and endurance. Jon Jones has never looked more tired than any of his opponents in a fight.

The problem for Jones is his cardio and endurance could translate to him being less explosive and lacking the big knockout power many heavyweights have.

If Jones fought Ngannou his gameplan might have to be one where he tries to get Ngannou tired or fustrated. He might not be able to brawl or go head to head with some of the bigger and more explosive HWs.

Yup.  I guess when it comes to Jon Jones I’m pretty curious how he’d do vs the likes of Gane or Ngannou, the top two guys at HW.  I mean I’d lean ‘maybe’ he’ll do well vs Gane but prime Jones of old would beat Gane any day imho.  Ngannou is something else.  I think the Ngannou after the rematch vs Miocic would mop the floor with Jones.  Lol.

Just a reminder...  Watch this vid.  Everybody who wasn’t convinced, including me, was convinced.

UFC Free Fight:  Ngannou vs Miocic 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HlMuj9LgU

Anyway...  10 days to got til we go the UFC back on!