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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 05, 2022, 06:35:26 PM

Quote from: Welsh on January 05, 2022, 07:50:50 AM

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Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.

Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.

After Nganouu loses against Lewis he doesn't look good at being a moneymaker anymore but the matchup with Jones will likely make millions on PPV while Dana not paying much for Nganou or Gane. So yeah why not moving up for a belt will be good. I hope they first build up a good reputation for Jones this time, making him at least look regretful what he did in the past.

Some exciting fights to watch out and can't wait to see Sterling vs Yan 2 and Volkanovski vs Holloway 3.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 05, 2022, 06:35:26 PM

Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.

Seems a right idiot outisde the cage. I just took a look at his record, and his last fight was in 2020, why does it seem longer than that to me? Feels like its been forever since we've seen him fight. I'm not going to deny that he pretty much cleaned up the entire division, and current champs. Beating DC until it was over turned, I think if I remember correctly for an illegal substance? Maybe, you're right. roughly two years isn't a awful amount of time out, though it does mean he hasn't even faced most of the current ranked names in the UFC. I know he'll likely get a title fight if he does return, and he'll probably fare pretty well against the current champion, and any possible short term champ.

I fully support the idea of moving up, that's if he does return. I'm just sure if his behaviour would be tolerated by the UFC if it was anyone else, but Conor or Bones too be honest. I think the bigger names get a little bit of a leeway there. I'm just not sure moving up, and getting a title fight is just too much. I know that's where the money is for Dana, can't have him losing against someone who isn't the current champ.

However, when is it too long for a fighter to have an extended period of time out, and not get a title fight?

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Quote from: Welsh on January 05, 2022, 07:50:50 AM

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Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.

Jon Jones is not a model fighter outside the cage, but in skills inside the arena and his basically undefeated streak is more than enough to get a title shot at Heavy Weight division when he moves up. He basically cleaned up the Light Heavy weight division multiple times and there is nothing for him to prove his worth and we all know as fans that no one could challenge him in this division and the only challenge comes if he moves up and that is what everyone is anticipating for years.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 05, 2022, 06:23:17 AM

Her's a great boxer, no doubt about it, but looking at his boxing record, Total fights: 50, Wins: 50, Wins by KO:27, Losses: 0, I think he should be extremely thankful to have such good managers throughout his career. On the other hand, it wasn't only because of luck that he got them. He was born into a family of boxers, his father and uncles were professionals, so surely they had right connections. And, of course, he's a genius himself, a hard working one, you can't take that away from him.

I think it's the same thing with heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, he is amazing fighter but genetics helped a lot because his family is all doing boxing, I think one of his uncles or grandparent was local boxing champ.
His younger brother is boxer and I think that one of his children will continue this legacy.
It's combination of hard work, talent, genetics and a pinch of luck to be undefeated champion in any sport...
Maybe Khabib would be one good MMA example, we know his father was great in combat sports and he was a great coach for him.

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Michele Pereira, this man is honestly built different, I think he would finish in one round with a barrage, with strikes, kicks, elbow, knees or whatever he can do to knock out his opponent. The main event is nothing special to the upcoming event for the rest of the January, but I expect Kattar to come out and try to prove himself after his devastating lost with Holloway, if that doesn't go as planned then it might be begining of the ending for Kattar. Therefore I do think that this week's main event won't be special but I would be looking forward to the co-main event more. It might decide the future for Kattar though. ((Not the most exciting cards that we might have for the January but might be some knockout for sure)) Keep your eyes for news on Dustin Poirier vs Nate Diaz, hopefully this fight can finalize, what do you think ?

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Oohh, I remembered, Amanda Nunes vs Julianna Pena 2 would be an interesting fight to watch. Just curious if Pena is really that good or something has happened to Nunes as she has tapped very quickly. Or this were bookies and White voodoo (odds on Pena were 6+) magic that caused Nunes to lose. Besides this possible fight, women mma still does not generate any interest to me.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 05, 2022, 06:44:43 AM

As the year 2022 started, and while we are waiting for first UFC events this year, I suggest you to make a discussion about the fight that according to you must happen this year.

Chuck Jon Jones in with the loser of the fight with Gane, and Ngannou. I don't really support the idea he gets a title shot after such a long period of inactivity. So, put him in with the loser, and if wins, then he gets his title shot. Not sure, we'll ever see him back in the UFC though, probably demanding too much money for Dana, and I think he quite likes being considered one of the best with one of the better records of the UFC, also don't think he quite fancies himself against the current heavyweights.

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Forgot to congratulate you guys with Christmas and Happy New Year, sorry Cheesy

As the year 2022 started, and while we are waiting for first UFC events this year, I suggest you to make a discussion about the fight that according to you must happen this year.

We already know about Ngannou vs Gane, Adesanya vs Whittaker 2, Makhachev vs Dariush. But I expect Chimaev to fight against someone from top3 in welterweight. New Conor fight. Love to see the test of new light heavy chamption and Yan vs Sterling. Havent seen Jon Jones for a long time. Would love to see him in heavyweight finally.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 31, 2021, 10:37:19 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on December 31, 2021, 09:45:01 AM

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The "MONEY" Mayweather sure could earn that high in just 1 fight the word Money is accompanied in his name that is why many boxers sure want to really fight him, and even they attain a lost to Mayweather they would surely gain enough money to sustain themselves and their family,

But we can not compare the average profit in UFC and with boxing, if we compare both events boxing events tend to have just 3 to 1 fights only while in the UFC, 1 event could have a potential of more than 10 fights per event, so the event money gains will be divided by each fighter, but the sad truth is Dana White is the one getting a huge sum in every event per Pay Per View, anyway, we can not compare every profit in the UFC with an exhibition match in a Jake Paul match because all the sum of money they would get will be divided in each fighter, plus the show money a fighter can get, well even though a fighter loss they still get a large sum of money right.

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Her's a great boxer, no doubt about it, but looking at his boxing record, Total fights: 50, Wins: 50, Wins by KO:27, Losses: 0, I think he should be extremely thankful to have such good managers throughout his career. On the other hand, it wasn't only because of luck that he got them. He was born into a family of boxers, his father and uncles were professionals, so surely they had right connections. And, of course, he's a genius himself, a hard working one, you can't take that away from him.

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Quote from: yazher on January 04, 2022, 06:08:31 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 03, 2022, 11:31:34 PM

Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?
He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.

This guy just wanted to further expand his popularity by talking some rubbish to some known people where he can be the topic of the users in the social media. We all know this guy has nothing on his sleeves as a boxer, what more if he steps in the ring as a mixed martial artist? The test should come from a trustworthy company that will never accept any bribes from anyone because looks like this guy are hiding something. They should not worry about his opinion cause it's all rubbish anyway.

I'm sick of all the mess jake paul keeps doing in fighting sports nowadays, every controversy that happens will surely continue to raise his popularity as a celebrity like his recent debate with Dana White, I think every win he's had so far is challenging Retired fighters are not clean fights and if there were fighters who really didn't want Jake Paul money, then Jake Paul would be in the hospital as a result of that fight.

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Jake Paul again… The guy is trying to jump off his skin to gain more attention and popularity. This is all due to low ppv amount sold in his last fight. If he wants to test ufc fighters for using steroids, why dont he fight a real professional boxer if wants to looks and act like such a professional athlete.

Jake wants to fight Masvidal and ask if Dana would allow Masvidal to have a boxing fight. Jake should just fill https://www.ufc.com.br/news/apply-be-fighter/ pass the test and become a fighter. Win some fight, get in top and earn a fight with Masvidal.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 03, 2022, 11:31:34 PM

Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?
He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.

This guy just wanted to further expand his popularity by talking some rubbish to some known people where he can be the topic of the users in the social media. We all know this guy has nothing on his sleeves as a boxer, what more if he steps in the ring as a mixed martial artist? The test should come from a trustworthy company that will never accept any bribes from anyone because looks like this guy are hiding something. They should not worry about his opinion cause it's all rubbish anyway.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 03, 2022, 09:48:57 AM

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 02, 2022, 04:38:54 PM

This is the problem, now fighters try to exploit themselves where the money is because their paycheck in the industry is not that much to make them satisfy, although I like Onlyfans this is the big reality UFC is facing right now where a combat sport that is life-changing and life-threatening to most fighters is not cut for a lifetime hospital bill will surely get us to wonder why other sports can give their players a cut befitting to a lifetime change, that is because of greed I don't really like to continue because I love UFC especially watching it, and I owe it to my boy Dana White, but they need to realize something.

That's something that a Fighters Union could regulate so that the fighters themselves will not have to prostitute themselves. Sure, MMA is a relatively young sport and with that in mind, it just didn't have the time to get to the business level the other sports got to, even tho it had a fairly quick surge in popularity. MMA organizations, and UFC in particular, are playing catch up to their popularity, and I am guessing the old guard of MMA organization brass has to die out before things change.

Well, you might be right, and UFC is like a child to other sports and to more well-known combat like boxing it sure still strive to go beyond, but maybe a little anchovy to the pizza or whip cream to the cake could not hurt Dana White in his I am the owner of UFC thing I can do anything, sure enough, he has authority to every fighter UFC have but just doesn't treat them as playthings, or just dispensable things but I wish there will be a time that it will surely come.

I do wonder how much real power, especially in those aspects of the business, does Dana have since 2016 when UFC was sold. I always thought he had a symbolic role, a sort of a head honcho spokesperson for the company, and that all the other major decisions go through Endeavor, especially as they bought out the full control over UFC in 2021. And you know Ari Emanuel likes to have firm control over his bussines. Dana surely has some merit and people do listen to him, but I doubt he has the final say in things like this.

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Quote from: notblox1 on January 03, 2022, 03:17:27 PM

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No they’re not and I was just trying to point that out from your other post when you said UFC fighters spend more for training camps than what they earn in the UFC. That’s just plain wrong. And to think about it, the prelim boxers have it way worse cos a lot of them earn 1k, less than 1k and they have to pay for training camp and travel themselves... And worse of it is they have to scrounge around for sponsors. In the UFC, it’s all taken care off by the company.

Why are you comparing MMA fighters from top league like UFC with prelim boxing fighters?

Because the root of the issue of this convo is ‘Dana White and the UFC don’t pay the fighters in their roster enough money.’. Which is really not true...

And here’s a somehwhat old article that kinda does a good job breaking down fighter pay in the UFC.

https://wayofmartialarts.com/how-much-money-do-mma-fighters-in-the-ufc-make/

Prelim fighters actually do better in the UFC compared to most prelim fighters in boxing. Now... I can’t speak for the rest of MMA like Bellator, ONE or some other regional promotion since I think they follow the same payment model as boxing.

It’s pretty clear that if you’re the average no name MMA fighter, the UFC pays better.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 03, 2022, 11:31:34 PM

Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?

He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.

My response to Dana Whites embarrassing response.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jakepaul/status/1477591772683505666?s=12

Even Jake got more attention today, he may have people backing him for this but it may not make Dana agree still to what he wants.
Although there are MMA fighters agreeing with what he is saying about that minimum salary, Dana will not just allow that after all the fighters are signing contracts, and at the end of the day it's business for Dana. Mark Hunt is just an example of what Dana can do which is on the news that he is now dropping the lawsuit.

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Jake Paul created a very funny video saying that if he is being challenged to take a test for steroids then all UFC fighters must also take the tests for steriods hehe. However, does USADA not test the fighters in the UFC for steriods already?

He also was telling everyone that uncle Dana should increase the minimum salary in the UFC from $12,000 to $50,000. It appears that he is getting the attention to increase his popularity and the potential earnings from his fights in the future hehehe.

My response to Dana Whites embarrassing response.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jakepaul/status/1477591772683505666?s=12

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Quote from: notblox1 on January 03, 2022, 03:17:27 PM

Why are you comparing MMA fighters from top league like UFC with prelim boxing fighters?
Believe it or not I know some small league MMA fighters who are fighting for few hundred dollars or euros, and they can't survive from that so they need to work regular job.
Only going to some serious MMA competition can give them finance for training camps, that are more expensive from boxing simply because MMA fighters need to prepare in multiple sports and coaches.
It's not easy to find one coach and sparring partners in multiple combat sports, so they hire separate sparring partners and coaches for boxing, kick boxing, jiujitsu, wrestling...

Just to play devil's advocate here. It isn't uncommon for lower professional athletes to be paid significantly lesser amounts. Take football, and the English Premier league in comparison to the Conference leagues or even lower. These fighters that need other jobs are likely considered semi professionals akin to that of a lot of the players in the lower leagues of football.

I will give it to you, fighters need to pay for their coaching, and training themselves. Where, in a lot of other sports its via the teams funds rather than the individual. Though, coming back to boxing I know of several boxers who when they first signed a contract, were working another job. Joe Calzaghe I believe one was one of the big boxers to talk about his early life as a boxer, and how he was still working at the time, and he went on to make it big time.

I'm absolutely not defending Dana here, and I think they probably need to be paid a lot more than they are rumoured to be paid, but I also have a slight issue with how much boxers make, especially when its only a select few while the others get comparably nothing.

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Quote from: Welsh on January 03, 2022, 09:56:48 AM

Hearing rumours about Conor fighting Oliveria, which would be an absolute disgrace that he's even given the chance, but I actually think Conor would beat Oliveria. Simply, because Olvieria tends to start slow, and eats a lot of shots. You can't do that against Conor, and unless Oliveria goes for the take down right away, he would likely get finished in the first. Oliveria has shown he likes to stand toe to toe with fighters before taking them down to the ground which would be my concern about him. Hopefully, it doesn't happen because it would be a disgrace.

I'm thinking of putting a bet on Gane to win against Ngannou, and whatever the outcome is then I'd be happy since I quite like having Ngannou as the champion, and I'm not fully convinced of Gane yet, but considering the odds are 1.90 a piece Gane is actually a pretty decent bet I think. I expected smaller odds for him.

I really doubt Charles Oliveira would give Conor McGregor his advantage, and I think he would surely know his disadvantage on fighters before their fight and will surely change his tactics in his Dustin Poirier fight he knew that Dustin is committing power in every shot, and with his counter shots, so he can execute that move to go behind Poirier, I think Oliveira is a thinking fighter that is why he is calling out McGregor he surely has a plan for him,

For me, I am fully convinced on Ciryl Gane, that he can outmaneuver Francis Ngannou in this fight, Even though Francis Ngannou can perfectly time his heavy punch on Ngannou and Ngannou has a destructive power to last just 1 punch on Gane and this is over, I would still go with the technical fighter, Ciryl Gane, you sure have a Heavyweight fighter but moves like a Light Heavyweight is sure surprising and that is why I would surely bet for Gane, and I have watched the Derrick Lewis fight again and there is no doubt he surely have punching power because I am doubting his strength to TKO an opponent and all of that change when he shut down Lewis.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 31, 2021, 05:08:17 PM

No they’re not and I was just trying to point that out from your other post when you said UFC fighters spend more for training camps than what they earn in the UFC. That’s just plain wrong. And to think about it, the prelim boxers have it way worse cos a lot of them earn 1k, less than 1k and they have to pay for training camp and travel themselves... And worse of it is they have to scrounge around for sponsors. In the UFC, it’s all taken care off by the company.

Why are you comparing MMA fighters from top league like UFC with prelim boxing fighters?
Believe it or not I know some small league MMA fighters who are fighting for few hundred dollars or euros, and they can't survive from that so they need to work regular job.
Only going to some serious MMA competition can give them finance for training camps, that are more expensive from boxing simply because MMA fighters need to prepare in multiple sports and coaches.
It's not easy to find one coach and sparring partners in multiple combat sports, so they hire separate sparring partners and coaches for boxing, kick boxing, jiujitsu, wrestling...

Read why boxers make more money than mma fighters, and you can see that average paycheck is much higher in boxing:

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/8/23/12512178/why-do-boxers-make-more-than-mma-fighters

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Quote from: Welsh on January 03, 2022, 09:56:48 AM

Hearing rumours about Conor fighting Oliveria, which would be an absolute disgrace that he's even given the chance, but I actually think Conor would beat Oliveria. Simply, because Olvieria tends to start slow, and eats a lot of shots. You can't do that against Conor, and unless Oliveria goes for the take down right away, he would likely get finished in the first. Oliveria has shown he likes to stand toe to toe with fighters before taking them down to the ground which would be my concern about him. Hopefully, it doesn't happen because it would be a disgrace.

I'm thinking of putting a bet on Gane to win against Ngannou, and whatever the outcome is then I'd be happy since I quite like having Ngannou as the champion, and I'm not fully convinced of Gane yet, but considering the odds are 1.90 a piece Gane is actually a pretty decent bet I think. I expected smaller odds for him.

I also agree with you that Connor might win against Oliviera.
As you said, Oliviera tends to start slow but it might cost him the match against Connor as Connor hits quite hard and he might even get KO'ed.
So, unless Oliviera changes his approach strategy, I think that Connor will have the upper hand in the fight. But all in all, hoping for an entertaining match.

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