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December 08, 2021, 04:19:57 PM
Already have it planned for this weekend; wings, pizza, and some beers for the event. Last time I was this excited for an event, Conor snapped his ankle so be prepared Cheesy.
How can you recover from that? But Guida did, and won the fight in the second round. Amazing stuff.
I know this is a cliche, but some people are just built different, and are able to absorb a tremendous amount of damage. You can have all the technique in the world, e.g riding the shots while they come at you, tucking the chin when striking, but certain people just seem to have more of a threshold than others.

Just look at Kattar, and how much damage he suffered against Max Holloway. I do believe Max that night set the record for number of punches in a UFC fight, which is unreal considering almost all of them were landing quite significantly.

I would add that some people can not just take multiple shots throughout their career, but their health does not suffer from it. But I still can't get behind the idea that that doesn't add up in a way. Obviously, the combination of great technique and toughness is the best option, but people that are tough usually don't develop great technique, so there is always a trade-off.
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December 08, 2021, 04:13:37 PM
I just made my predictions for UFC Sportsbet promotion and I honestly think this is going to be very good fight card to watch.
Even prelims with big heavyweights Augusto Sakai and Tai Tuivasa will be bombastic and I don't know for sure who will win that fight.
One of the fights I've had a eye on for a while too. Should be a close fight, and the odds are showing that with both 1.80 / 1.90. Although, I could never bet against my man Tai Tuivasa, he made me a fan for his down to earth nature, and entertainment.

Ryan Hall's fight, Tai Tuivasa fight, to keep me entertained while I wait for Oliveria to submit Poirier Wink. Nah, I really don't know what's going to happen in the main event, same with pretty much all three of these fights. Though, due to the return I'm going to have to bet on a Ryan Hall submission, Oliveria Submission, and a Tai Tuivasa knockout.
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December 08, 2021, 02:59:14 PM
I just made my predictions for UFC Sportsbet promotion and I honestly think this is going to be very good fight card to watch.
Even prelims with big heavyweights Augusto Sakai and Tai Tuivasa will be bombastic and I don't know for sure who will win that fight.

UFC 269 media day is now live and you can listen for statements from most fighters or watch recording later on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdKhibLalA
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December 08, 2021, 12:42:21 PM
Already have it planned for this weekend; wings, pizza, and some beers for the event. Last time I was this excited for an event, Conor snapped his ankle so be prepared Cheesy.
How can you recover from that? But Guida did, and won the fight in the second round. Amazing stuff.
I know this is a cliche, but some people are just built different, and are able to absorb a tremendous amount of damage. You can have all the technique in the world, e.g riding the shots while they come at you, tucking the chin when striking, but certain people just seem to have more of a threshold than others.

Just look at Kattar, and how much damage he suffered against Max Holloway. I do believe Max that night set the record for number of punches in a UFC fight, which is unreal considering almost all of them were landing quite significantly.
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December 08, 2021, 08:55:02 AM
If Oliveira will be able to get Poirier on the ground or jump on his back, then it will be over for Poirier in a couple of minutes. If Poirier avoids all these takedowns, he will win by points. He is easily able to "boxing for points" and take all the rounds. But, if he goes with "box for points" he will definitely TKO/KO Oliveira, as Oliveira is not good at dodging bullets with his head. If this goes like that, Poirier will win in second or third round.

This is really an interesting fight. To become a champ, Poirier must boost the fight, but in fact he could allow himself to be passive for some rounds. For Oliveira, to be able to keep the belt, he must risk and go to close distance against a perfect striker. This is the time when champion must worry much more to keep belt, than a contender must struggle.
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December 08, 2021, 07:17:51 AM
What you think guys about main event? Will Oliveira vs Poirier event set a new PPV record (I bet not) or at least be in top10 UFC PPVs ?

I have a feeling, that the main fight will be a copy of Khabib vs Poirier fight scenario. Poirier will be better in striking, but will lose due to submission. But, I must admit that the fight is going to very close. Both fighters have almost identical records and experience in UFC.

If Poirier wins, Conor will put 200% effort to have a fourth fight Cheesy

I’m no too sure if it’s gonna be like the match vs Khabib.  Oliviera doesn’t have elite wrestling.  He has the BJJ but not the wrestling.  And Oliviera isn’t as relentless as Khabib is in grappling, tho he has elite BJJ skills.  And don’t forget Oliviera got almost starched by Chandler in the first round.

But yeah...  As far as the line value goes, Poirier at 1.65 is I guess ‘fair’ so we have to look for where the value is.  Oliviera at 2.37?  Dunno..  Let’s wait for the props.  If Poirier via KO/TKO is at around 2.50, I’ll take that one.
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December 08, 2021, 06:48:25 AM
Oliveira vs Poirier, bjj vs boxing. From my experience, a pure wrestler is always victorious over striking guy. Oliveira is not a wrestler, but a BJJ guy. He is not able to devour strikes, to be able to get inside, put his opponent on the ground and ground and pound till the fight is over. But he surely can submit. Oliveira hold the record of most submissions among all UFC fighters. If he will be able to survive few punches and get the fight to the ground, then Poirier is finished. However, bookies think different. They gave 1.51 for Poirier and 2.45 for Oliveira. I think Oliveira has more chances to win this fight.

Did you know that Poirier and Oliveira total fight of the night bonus count is 27 ?!? I think this guys will sell a lot of PPV this Sunday.

Eh, I wouldn't say this is a pure BJJ vs Boxing situation as Dustin trained pure boxing only a year before switching to MMA full time, and actually holds a black belt in BJJ. I do think Charlie Olives is more proficient on the ground, no doubt, but Dusting can hold his own down there (and don't hold the Khabib loss against him, that's a whole different beast we're talking about.)

I would say that Oliveira is not as bad in stance, as Poirier is bad at wrestling Cheesy I never saw Poirier using his BJJ skills, I think he uses it only to avoid takedowns. He even rarely uses kicks. Oliveira is more universal fighter, expert on the ground, deadly in clinch thanks to muay thai training. During last years Oliveira improved his striking, but if you watch some of his last fights - he still take a lot of damage to the head. He blocks, he pulls his hands back to chin after punches. But he did not move head to dodge. He does not even lean back to dodge. That is the key for success for Poirier.
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December 08, 2021, 06:36:35 AM
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Glad to help buddy, I try to post results after every fight for the folks that can't/wont watch. I suggest you take a look at bloodyelbow.com, they have the most detailed fight coverage out of you watching the fight. And they sum it up really nicely so it's not a long read. Also check out Luke Thomas YT channel where you can get a more detailed breakdown of some of the recent events.

Thanks! I bookmarked the page. Interesting site indeed. But can you tell me where this table


came from? I couldn't find it on the site bloodyelbow.com. (And maybe in your future posts make it clickable, or indicate the source at least. Smiley )


But I'm especially glad that I was right about Clay Guida, "a caveman", as he is called sometimes. Few people believed in his victory, but I did. Smiley I like betting on the underdog. Now I regret that I didn't bet on Chris Curtis. I just didn't have the balls. And he won! Damn.
Personally, I think Guida's win is the most impressive win of the night. I know Aldo absolutely outclassed Font in the main event, but I was definitely more impressed with Guida getting the win. I can't say I would have put money on him winning that fight. Impressive stuff.

I'd love to watch the full fight, but maybe it'll appear later on YouTube. In the meantime I watched this video where Guida was called " a maniac" and "Sasquatch from the woods, one step down on the ladder of evolution", jokingly and friendly, of course. Smiley At this point, in the beginning of the first round, Santos almost finished him, hitting him for almost 1 minute straight. How can you recover from that? But Guida did, and won the fight in the second round. Amazing stuff.
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December 07, 2021, 06:04:12 PM
It's not going to be easy win for Oliveira but I think he will prevail in the end, and I like the underdog odds on him very much.
Yeah, I think I'm going to bite the bullet, and take up the odds being offered for a Oliveria win. Worth putting in a bet for a submission I think considering he has the most in the UFC. Poirier being decent on the ground might mitigate that a little bit, but he definitely has taken out decorated wrestlers before. I think most of the fan base is expecting a Poirier win, but I actually think this is due to the fan base following Poirier's career more than Oliveria's. I have a few friends which casually watch the bigger fight nights, and they said they hadn't even seen Oliveria fight, and are doubling down on a Poirier win. Crazy really considering his skill set.

I think it all comes down to Oliveria not being a massive personality in the UFC, and the lack of speaking English hurts him in terms of a following. Luckily, you don't need a following to win belts.
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December 07, 2021, 04:05:29 PM
Oliveira vs Poirier, bjj vs boxing. From my experience, a pure wrestler is always victorious over striking guy. Oliveira is not a wrestler, but a BJJ guy. He is not able to devour strikes, to be able to get inside, put his opponent on the ground and ground and pound till the fight is over. But he surely can submit. Oliveira hold the record of most submissions among all UFC fighters. If he will be able to survive few punches and get the fight to the ground, then Poirier is finished. However, bookies think different. They gave 1.51 for Poirier and 2.45 for Oliveira. I think Oliveira has more chances to win this fight.

Did you know that Poirier and Oliveira total fight of the night bonus count is 27 ?!? I think this guys will sell a lot of PPV this Sunday.

Eh, I wouldn't say this is a pure BJJ vs Boxing situation as Dustin trained pure boxing only a year before switching to MMA full time, and actually holds a black belt in BJJ. I do think Charlie Olives is more proficient on the ground, no doubt, but Dusting can hold his own down there (and don't hold the Khabib loss against him, that's a whole different beast we're talking about.)
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December 07, 2021, 03:40:48 PM
This is monster UFC event coming up this weekend and I enjoy watching both Charles Oliveira and Dustin Poirier.
It's not going to be easy win for Oliveira but I think he will prevail in the end, and I like the underdog odds on him very much.

As much as I would like to see end of Amanda Nunes domination, I honestly don't think that Julianna Pena can seriously be any threat for current champion.
I just hope she can survives few rounds and perform at her best.
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December 07, 2021, 03:16:19 PM
Oliveira vs Poirier, bjj vs boxing. From my experience, a pure wrestler is always victorious over striking guy. Oliveira is not a wrestler, but a BJJ guy. He is not able to devour strikes, to be able to get inside, put his opponent on the ground and ground and pound till the fight is over. But he surely can submit. Oliveira hold the record of most submissions among all UFC fighters. If he will be able to survive few punches and get the fight to the ground, then Poirier is finished. However, bookies think different. They gave 1.51 for Poirier and 2.45 for Oliveira. I think Oliveira has more chances to win this fight.

Did you know that Poirier and Oliveira total fight of the night bonus count is 27 ?!? I think this guys will sell a lot of PPV this Sunday.
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December 07, 2021, 01:03:36 PM
Sunday 12th of December is one you should not miss, for the main event Charles Oliveira Vs Dustin Poirier,. Oliver's ofc have the ground game advantage but after his last fight with Michael, he can definately show his skills to knock out a violent man. Poirier on the other hand has earned this fight. His boxing technique is not to be overlooked, I expect a martial arts exhibition.

Returning to the octagon, Amanda facing her new opponent Pena, Amanda will obviously destroy Pena just like her other opponents.
Finally the fight of the night, I predict Shawn O' Mally will have a classic walk off finish.
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December 07, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
What you think guys about main event? Will Oliveira vs Poirier event set a new PPV record (I bet not) or at least be in top10 UFC PPVs ?

I have a feeling, that the main fight will be a copy of Khabib vs Poirier fight scenario. Poirier will be better in striking, but will lose due to submission. But, I must admit that the fight is going to very close. Both fighters have almost identical records and experience in UFC.

If Poirier wins, Conor will put 200% effort to have a fourth fight Cheesy
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December 07, 2021, 09:20:27 AM
Feels nice when you win something like sportsbet free bet for making UFC predictions, and now I have to use it wisely Wink
Great win for Jose Aldo that is putting him back on top for Bantamweight division with Petr Yan, TJ Dillashaw, Cory Sandhagen andf Sterling the fake champion.
It is possible we can see Petr Yan vs Sterling rematch and Jose Aldo could fight fight with one of two fighters above him in rankings.


Yup..  135 is becoming more interesting now.  Especially right after Yan vs Sterling match happens next year.  I guess match ups that should happen are Yan vs Sterling, Aldo vs Dillashaw and maybe Sandhagen vs Font..?  With the winner of Aldo vs Dillashaw going for the title against winner of Yan vs Sterling.  Should be good.  

And from all the match ups at 269 at first glance my leans which I think have value are Kai Kara-France at 2.21, Eryk Anders 2.18, Erin Blanchfield at 2.14 and Priscila Cachoeira at 4.10.  

UFC 269:  Embedded Ep 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZO7crIyU-w
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December 06, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
^  Yup definitely a good card this weekend.  But ai hope it’s worth the PPV after what the Fight Night with Font vs Aldo showed.  It wasn’t really that much in name value but the bouts itself and how they turned out were really good.
This is one of the reasons I try to refrain from bashing on cards without the names, a lot of the times you get a lot of competitive fights due to the skill gap not being so large, obviously only sometimes, but you get some damn good fights. What you tend to get with the bigger fights is either both are on point, and its a war, but only one of them needs to be off that night, and its like a landslide. Look at Max Holloway, and Kattar, Holland vs Brunson, and I'm sure there's a bunch of other examples in recent memory. I'm refraining from the Poirier vs Conor example since I'm still pissed off I stayed up to watch him get his ankle snapped in the first round.
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December 06, 2021, 05:14:42 PM

UFC 269: Oliveira vs. Poirier
December 11, 2021, at T-Mobile Arena in Paradise, Nevada, United States, part of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Area.


I just have to see this fight! Oliveira is still very dangerous and he can definitely achieve a lot more, but in my opinion his best time is behind him. Poirier, on the other hand, is on the wave and, driven by successes, should defeat Oliveira. It will definitely be a great fight!

The main event and Co-main event for me is worth watching, I will surely give my picks regarding the main and the Co-Main events, and that is the Charles Oliveira VS Dustin Poirier, Amanda Nunes VS Julianna Peña, and with the addition of Ryan Hall VS Darrick Minner to see if Ryan hall have upped his game from his last fight

Strange that UFC did not edit poster. Masvidal vs Edwards wont fight due to Masvidals injury (which is unknown). UFC would better put that poodle, sorry O'Malley on the poster.

This event is one of rare cases, when every fight in main card is worth watching. Specially lightweight fight. Lightweight imho is most competitive weight in UFC right now.

yup! I haven't seen another poster so I have used this one, and I am curious about how Masvidals injury is still unknown there's something suspicious about it that I want to think about but I really want a Leon Edwards VS Khamzat Chimaev to happen but that's going to wait.

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December 06, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
Feels nice when you win something like sportsbet free bet for making UFC predictions, and now I have to use it wisely Wink


Sorry for the little off top, but I would also very much like to take part in such a competition. Could you please tell us where to get / win free bets at UFC fights?

As for Aldo, I think only few people expected a different result Wink
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December 06, 2021, 04:59:44 PM
Feels nice when you win something like sportsbet free bet for making UFC predictions, and now I have to use it wisely Wink
Great win for Jose Aldo that is putting him back on top for Bantamweight division with Petr Yan, TJ Dillashaw, Cory Sandhagen andf Sterling the fake champion.
It is possible we can see Petr Yan vs Sterling rematch and Jose Aldo could fight fight with one of two fighters above him in rankings.
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December 06, 2021, 04:02:53 PM
Strange that UFC did not edit poster. Masvidal vs Edwards wont fight due to Masvidals injury (which is unknown). UFC would better put that poodle, sorry O'Malley on the poster.

This event is one of rare cases, when every fight in main card is worth watching. Specially lightweight fight. Lightweight imho is most competitive weight in UFC right now.

I also believe that the Lightweight division is the strongest at the moment. It is definitely the best one to watch in my opinion. Of course, Heavyweight will always be the royal category, but when it comes to the number of fighters with championship skills, Lightweight is definitely the best.
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