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The official weigh ins will be live in three hours or so.  If you guys have nothing else to do you guys can drop by and goof around the live chat.  It’s hilarious.    Too bad Dan Hardy doesn’t stream the weigh ins as regularly as he used to.  The regs there were really funny. 

UFC on ESPN 31:  Weigh ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAIHq2HiKc

jeremypwr’s prediction game is up.  It’s free money...  Let’s get it.

UFC Vegas 44 Multi Master Challenge
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I have been hearing Tony Ferguson wants Chimaev.  Lolol.  If Chim’s manager is good, he prolly could get the fight vs Ponz at 269 since Neal is prolly going to withdraw.  News is Neal was DUI and had a fire arm.

Good analysis. I think we will see less and less of ''pure'' vs ''pure'' fights because the landscape of modern MMA favours more of a, as you mentioned, well-rounded fighter, than a specialist. I do think that most of the younger generation of fighters are actually striving towards that goal, but as with everything, it takes time to transition and to be good at something if your starting point is something else.

A good wrestler usually does get the advantage, however Adesanya proves that a good takedown defense is good enough, you don't necessarily need good wrestling skills to avoid being taken down. As we know, generally when you have a pure striker versus' a wrestler the wrestler usually not only out performs them on the ground, but also out performs them in the stand up because the pure striker is a little hesitant, and wary of the take down, and therefore stops throwing.  

However, what I'm trying to put an emphasis on is being well rounded, since not many fighters can say they're both exception at one thing, but also good enough to avoid most issues presented in the other thing. For example, Justin is great because he can do both, Khabib was exceptional because he could do both, Khamzat Chimaev hasn't really had the chance to demonstrate this at the moment, at least I haven't seen too much of his stand up. Admittedly, I haven't watched all of his fights as I missed some of his earlier ones. Though, I don't think he's been tested by a well enough rounded fighter to be getting behind the hype. I actually think the UFC are desperate for someone who can replace Khabib, and they would love it to be Khamzat since he actually does a bit of calling out, and a bit of talk.

Chimaev is very likelly the future star of the UFC, all I'm asking is he gets tested by a well rounded fighter before he gets a title shot. I think someone like Justin or someone with similar skillset would be a brilliant test before giving him a title shot. Though, I'll be honest there isn't too many fighters in Welterweight that would have the skill set or at least the all roundness of Justin. I guess putting him up against a pure wrestler like Brady, but I don't think Brady is good enough for one, and his gas tan is suspect. Maybe, I'm being unfair, and asking for a real test when it doesn't really exist in the division, and really only Usman has that all roundingness to him.

I really think wrestling will surely give that advantage to a fight when a fighter is good against another fighter in a stand up a decent flinched can surely disrupt the rhythm of a boxer, this is pretty common to boxing, and pretty much well-used gameplay, but with a takedown and wrestling it will surely give pressure not only to a boxer but a wrestler as well, well, Khabib while good at the ground, he still has an unpredictable stand up game, I don't know if I am the only one notice this but Khabib Nurmagomenadov's punching is pretty unusual, maybe it gives an unusual vibe for opponents but I think Khabib Stand up is underrated,

Adesanya even though not a wrestler, sure have the smarts in getting his way out of a situation, and his takedown defense was really superb and he surely knows how to predict in time, that is why I am open to fighters that are not only well rounded but also established their unique style,

Oliveira sure is great at the ground and also well-rounded, but there is a difference with their wrestling style, Combat Sambo is surely different aswell if we compared American Wrestling to Russian Wrestling there is a different technique, and Ryan Hall, has a different type of wrestling and well verse to Brazilian jiu-jitsu, I like him very a lot back then but after looking on his fight the way he only got one option to throw at the opponent I think this is the end of his career and your right if he doesn't put some vanilla on his game and improve his wrestling pretty sure opponent will read him like a book,

And what I see on Khabib Nurmagomenodov I also see it on Khamzat Chimaev, but I am not comparing the two because I still think they have different techniques, but both are well-rounded fighters and I really like that so I want to see him take on the hardest possible fight he can get.

Wrestling isn't dominant, however it is definitely something that can give the advantage in a fight. I do believe Khabib was an anomaly, not many people have done what he has done. He's gone undefeated in one of the most competitive, and dangerous divisions in the UFC. There are plenty examples of wrestlers which haven't got as many fights or anywhere near a undefeated record. This is usually because they aren't well rounded. They might be fantastic wrestlers, but lack elsewhere.

Look at Adesanya as an example. Undefeated until he went up against Jan in a higher division. However, his wrestling skills are nearly not existent. However, due to the way he's built, and some smarts on his behalf he's absolutely brilliant at preventing takedowns. However, against Jan I thought it was pretty clear that the weight difference made...well a difference.

I actually think some of the Dagestan fighters are a great example of being well rounded. They are particularly good at wrestling, but in fact they actually have decent stand up. Justin as another example is pretty decent on the ground, but is well rounded. Oliveria, very good on the ground, but can also stand his own on the feet. This is MMA, and it's vitally important that a fighter is good in all disciplines.

In fact, one of my favourite fighters is a brilliant example for this. Ryan Hall, one of the most technically gifted submission artists in the UFC. However, he isn't good on the feet which means its much easier to avoid the takedown, and many fighters aren't even concerned about him throwing hands. He knows this; he doesn't hardly ever attempt to land anything with his fists, he usually goes for the roll, and looking for a submission.

Now, Ryan doesn't exactly have the best grappling skills, he doesn't come off as particularly powerful, but just has superb technique. I think if Ryan could develop his skills a little in grappling, and on the feet he would be a real problem for everyone in the division, however its unlikely to happen, and he'll probably never make it anywhere near the top in the division (obviously ignoring his age as hes getting on a bit now).

Makhachev for example; brilliant wrestler, however he knows how to throw fists too. I was quite impressed with his jab in previous fights, and hes pretty quick too. Khabib was also fantastic on the feet, hes given Justin, and Conor trouble on the feet. Obviously, the threat of the takedown definitely plays a part into these fighters being a little more cautious, but he definitely is one of the most well rounded fighters I've ever seen.

Obviously, the fact that even though there are certain key factors knowing who's going to be dominant in the octagon, we can not 100% accurately predict what will be the outcome of the fight, and Khabib Nurmagomenodov being an anomaly in the game was not really what I think, if you look at all the style in the combat sports grappling is pretty dominant if the fighter knows what he is doing, saying this pretty much the style of Dagestan Wrestling may Dominate some fighters and may outbalance other style, but it will always depends on the fighters strength if he will succeed, and I am not saying that Dagestan wrestling is pretty superior in all wrestling, this is just what I think, even though Dagestan fighters have the same exact style it will always depends on the fighter.


I think I am just giving example on UFC fighters hype being derailed but definitely their career still goes on, because he question if there are fighters hype being derailed not in the MMA, but other industries, I think there are people liked that and under certain circumstances that their popularity has ended.


In my opinion, Certainly hype is needed to make sales, and some fighters is just creating drama for people, of fans to talked about and in certain times not only fans is getting hooked with it but certain curious people even the does know about a thing about MMA or fighting being lead to the hype, I think this is a normal setting for some, I am not saying all drama is not real but I think they seen this kind of thing very popular, if you want the tickets to be sold they need to accumulated a drama just like in the WWE.


Well I don't really want Makachev to be jumping inside the ring and a lion is inside to be eaten alive, but if the UFC would give a legit fight for him, why not, and I am not saying that he could win everytime he fight, because we can certainly not able to predict the outcome, but as a fan and as a person that seen a potential to counter certain style and certainly I am not comparing him to Khabib, because even though they have identical fighting style, it is still not the same, both men are not the same there are certain strength levels that we can say both men are lacking, but I am not just looking at Makachev alone, but with a certain opponent he might face, as a bettor I will surely need to look deep down not only to Makachev but for certain opponent he might face.

Justin Gaethje likely to be the next title challenger? Exciting times ahead as I know Justin is a decorated high school wrestler, however we haven't really seen too much of it in the UFC so far. There was glimpses of it in the recent fight against Chandler, but not enough to really gauge where he is at. He'll either get chewed up by Oliveria, and Poirier on the ground or potentially be able to beat Oliveria on the feet. Poirier vs Justin I'm not quite sure who wins, I think I'd favour Poirer. Although, I'm not entirely convinced Poirer can beat Oliveria yet. One thing is for sure; this division is stacked from top to bottom, and even after this event which is absolutely stacked we should have some decent fights in the next 6 months.

He's 32 years old? There's still time in my opinion, but I guess it depends on his career goals. He has already done much of what he wanted to do I imagine.

Yeah, I believe its only broadcast in English, and Spanish. Though, there might be some other languages broadcast, I just know about the Spanish one since I was potentially going to tune into that instead to see if I can combine MMA, as a learning tool for Spanish .

Well, I don't know if he can be bothered to learn it at this point XD And that's one of the reasons he's really not getting the recognition as a champ. MMA is an international sport but UFC is a USA-based organization and English is the official language, and there is no way around it. Maybe he just wants to fight and not talk. Well, that's doable, but don't expect a pay raise from uncle dana.

Takes away from the immediate impact of witty remarks though doesn't it . Nah, I don't try mean insulting back, and forth. To be honest, I'm not a massive fan of that, unless it was Conor in his prime. He was very good at it, lately though he's drifted into just boring insults rather than countering with wit.

I mean just being able to communicate to the vast majority of the fans would be an advantage. I'm actually surprised this isn't part of their training. I would think that Dana would be interested in offering incentive for learning English, because it allows the fighters to build their brand more. I know the UFC or MMA for that matter isn't all about English speakers, I just think its another tool to the tool belt.

You would be shocked, but Poirier is good at English. Just joking

Oliveira can post on his native language, I am sure there are people that could translate it into English and pass to Poirier. Or sometimes fighters managers manage their social media accounts and add petrol in fire.

Yesterday I was surfing in the Internet and has found an interesting article for you guys:

The 50 Worst Fighters in UFC History: A Tribute

Definitely check it out on free time.

That one really made me laugh yesterday

At the end of the day its a fight, and this is especially true in MMA; anything can happen. So, fighters losing the odd fight isn't exactly unexpected, in fact its expected for the majority of fighters. You could count on one hand the amount of fighters that are undefeated, while taking on the top guys. Khabib obviously being the most recent, but he's very much an anomaly in the sport.

Even Conor who at one point looked unstoppable, you could say that's due to the way he fights, and Khabibs style protects him a lot more than a pure striker like Conor, and while that might be partially true, if you take a look at the other wrestlers in the sport they aren't going on massive unbeaten streaks.

Therefore, I don't actually believe in the hype being derailed from a single loss. If Makhachev were to fight either Oliveria or Poirier which I personally do believe its a little too soon right now, if he was to lose that doesn't automatically mean the hype behind him should be gone. Poirer, and Oliveria are literally the two main men in the division right now.

I find as fans we can have a knee jerk reaction whenever a fighter loses a fight. In fact, this probably isn't entirely the fans fault, due to the UFC as an organisation pushing the agenda that every fight will finish a fighter if they lose, and project the winner onto bigger, and better things. Boxing also has this mentality because hype sells tickets.

Though it was proven recently that older fighters that were deemed finished many years ago, can improve, and go on to win belts. Makhachev losing against the current top 2 in the sport isn't going to realistically derail his career. Though, for his benefit its probably best to not jump in the cage with them too soon, because in the eyes of the fans it would take away a lot of the hype, however when he starts winning again that would return right away.

There are Fighters that their hype got derailed when they certainly just lost one bout, like Johnny Walker was hype back then but Corey Anderson stop his train, Ben Askren was a hype when entering UFC, from One Championship he was undefeated and debuting from UFC his bulldog choke against Robbie Lawler pretty questionable because he was pretty devastated by Lawler until he can get that Bulldog choke, but the hype stop when he was Koéd by a flying knee in just 0:05 Seconds by Jorge Masvidal, I think there are many hype in the UFC and the MMA back then but for me Khamzat Chimaev's hype is really legit, and I can see the guy really has potential and he is not afraid in showing it.

I can see why your going for Jeremiah Wells after watching some of his tapes. I initially fancied Jake Matthews, but hes recently coming off a loss, while Jeremiah Wells has put a 3 win streak in. I might have to change my initial prediction to Wells. Plus, he has decent odds at 2.45 probably my fancy of the night.

Shame really, because I think him learning English would throw his career into a new dimension. At the moment, I think a lot of people will give him credit for his ability, but won't necessarily back him against other English speaking fighters because they can't quite connect with him. I think it would be a decent career move, and would secure him better paying sponsorships if he were to learn a little more English. 

Interesting main event this week in UFC but I am interested to see what Azamat Murzakanov will do against Jared Vanderaa in prelims light heavyweight category.
Tune in to live stream of upcoming UFC event Font vs. Aldo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NWVhsVPvJ0

For years has been my go-to for some fights to watch. However, I am not keen on their video player. And the site usability is also pretty bad, but hey, it does the job to some extent. Do recommend as well.


Oliveira is (if my memory serves me correctly) not really all that good at English, so that could be a reason for the lack of verbal alteration between him and his opponents. The days of stalking through translators are long gone. But for the better, not everyone has to do it.

I watched some tape of some of the fighters.  Besides Aldo and Fiziev, I like Gruetzemacher at 1.88, Jeremiah Wells at 2.45 and believe it or not, I think Maki Pitolo at 2.31 is a good spot.  Lol. 

You guys can do a little tape study of past matches yourselves at MMACore.  It’s a pretty good site with almost all past events.  And it’s free.

https://mmacore.tv/

Enjoy. 

It is 10 days only until Oliveira vs Poirier fight and the social media are silent, fighters are silent. It is strange not to hear trash talk or someone convincingly announcing that he will knockout cold his opponent. Strange that McGregor is silent, and he likes to attack Poirier in the media Maybe that is because he is cheering for Dusting, and expect a fourth fight (title fight) between them.


I just want Makhachev to fight someone from the top5. On the other hand, he has 9 wins in a row, it should be enough to test him and give title fight instantly.

I'm skipping Font vs. Aldo and just put my money (that's supposed to be for Font) on the next event. Even though I'm 50-50 on who will take the belt, I couldn't resist the odds at 2.30+ on Charles which is higher than what's currently offered on Rob (1.60+).

It's true that media loves to write about him, they want to write clickbaity articles, and his name is clickbait already. But, idk, are there examples of someone hyped that much while being unworthy? I don't mean artists, singers and stuff, I mean MMA fighters.


Well, with that look you may not look convincing on a philosophical conference, and hardly anyone will invest in a new crypto token that you promote, but it's a perfect look to scare the sh*t out of your opponent. Regarding his possible loss to Leonardo Santos, idk, I think Clay can beat him. Imo Santos is too old to continue with fighting. Did you see how he lost to Grant Dawson?

Are we favouring Makhachev over Poirier, and Oliveria? I think that's a very close fight between all of them. I think the up, and coming fight between Poirier, and Oliveria is going to be a close one. I think the odds being so heavily in favour of Poirer is rather generous. Even though, I do think Poirier will edge it, I was expecting the odds to be something like 1.90 each.

Though, I would say that Makhachev is the underdog for both of those fights.

I guess it depends on the amount of damage each fighter takes, but if Oliveria loses I expect a rematch to be made rather than Makhachev getting the title shot. So, I don't think Makhachev will be getting either one of them in 2022.