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Well, Because the first page isn't updated yet this is the match regarding the upcoming fight on the
UFC On ESPN 6
Date:Sat, 19 Oct, 9:00 Am
Venue:TD Garden

MAIN CARD

Light Heavyweight: Dominick Reyes VS Chris Weidman
Featherweight: Yair Rodriguez VS Jeremy Stephens
Heavyweight: Greg Hardy VS Ben Sosoli
Lightweight: Joe Lauzon VS Jonathan Pearce
Woman Flyweight: Maycee Barber VS Gillian Robertson
Middleweight: Deron Winn VS Darren Stewart

PRELIMINARY CARD

Featherweight: Charles Rosa VS Manny Bermudez
Woman Flyweight: Molly McCann VS Diana Belbita
Featherweight: Kyle Bochniak VS Sean Woodson
Bantamweight: Randy Costa VS Boston Salmon
Welterweight: Court McGee VS Sean Brady
Middleweight: Brendan Allen VS Kevin Holland
Heavyweight: Daniel Spitz VS Tanner Boser

All info is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_ESPN:_Reyes_vs._Weidman

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2019, 09:26:57 PM

Sage Northcutt was knocked unconscious and he had to undergo facial reconstruction surgery after that fight Shocked

You made me remember the tragic ending of Sage's debut in ONE FC again Sad

. He is actually one of my favorite rising stars of UFC back then because he prove to us that age doesn't matter in MMA sports but then he just loss in ONE. Take note, through a total knockout and that was very upsetting.

Well, there are really several good ONE fighters in fairness (like Ev Ting) but still body build matters so for me UFC > ONE. I can't explain thoroughly but we all know that Americans tend to be more physique than Asians thus more superior, I hope you know what I mean Grin

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2019, 09:26:57 PM

Sage Northcutt was knocked unconscious and he had to undergo facial reconstruction surgery after that fight Shocked

You made me remember the tragic ending of Sage's debut in ONE FC again Sad

. He is actually one of my favorite rising stars of UFC back then because he prove to us that age doesn't matter in MMA sports but then he just loss in ONE. Take note, through a total knockout and that was very upsetting.

Well, there are really several good ONE fighters in fairness (like Ev Ting) but still body build matters so for me UFC > ONE. I can't explain thoroughly but we all know that Americans tend to be more physique than Asians thus more superior, I hope you know what I mean Grin

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 15, 2019, 07:18:02 PM

Ben Askren was talking so much before his first fights...
but recently after losing that fight I hear no sign of him

UFC is not he same as ONE championship bro

You can't really shut that big mouth of Ben Askren, you might consider him a troll because of that mouth of his. Obviously it's a different league, however, there's a lot of ONE FC championship that are tough as a nails, just saying.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 15, 2019, 07:18:02 PM

UFC is not he same as ONE championship bro

They have tough fighters too, they are not getting that exposure here but they might be big fighters in Asia. Eddie Alvarez lost his first fight in One FC, Sage Northcutt was knocked unconscious and he had to undergo facial reconstruction surgery after that fight Shocked

and Demetrious Johnson who was smoking everyone in the UFC is facing tougher opponents in One FC as he went to decision twice.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on October 15, 2019, 06:56:45 PM

They say that the fighters in One FC are quite different from UFC. Just look at Vera who is not doing quite well during his days in UFC, but in One FC, he is a champ but not until someone defeated him in the last One FC event.

Quote from: notblox1 on October 15, 2019, 07:18:02 PM

UFC is not he same as ONE championship bro

Indeed, the difference between the two are not too obvious but you can still realize that UFC got higher quality tho (maybe the only advantage of ONE is that it has also kickboxing events and not only pure MMA). Aside from Vera and Askren, another proof is when Mighty Mouse shifted to ONE and become also a champion in no time after defeating his opponent last Oct. 13 Grin

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 15, 2019, 07:18:02 PM

Ben Askren was talking so much before his first fights...
but recently after losing that fight I hear no sign of him

UFC is not he same as ONE championship bro

You cannot shut Ben Askren as he is not acting in front of the camera like the other faker in the sport like Kevin Lee or Colby Covington and if you are active in social media you know the funny trolls of Ben Askren coming on a daily basis and he does have a podcast and he is an avid supporter of the crypto community and a wise investor. UFC is not the same as One FC but Ben is a great wrestler and a ground fighter but he is yet to prove against the toughest opponents in the UFC.

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Ben Askren was talking so much before his first fights...
but recently after losing that fight I hear no sign of him

UFC is not he same as ONE championship bro

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Quote from: DaveWave on October 14, 2019, 11:09:13 PM

Ben Askren haven't fought for over a year since his last on at ONE FC. He was shaking dusts during that Robbie Lawler fight. Robbie was only a tune up, but props to him for making it a real tough fight. But let us say Askren was not 100% back at that time.

Ben Askren's defeat to Mashvidal could be a fluke. It could have been very interesting too see how the two combatants fared to each other throughout the rounds. Askren could be 100% back that night but we didn't see that and probably never will since he is not undefeated this time. That fateful knee deprived us at least a round or two. Kudos to Mashvidal though for making it an early night for him.

That fight was controversial, remember it was stopped early by the referee, after stoping the fight and referee thought Lawler was down and out, you can see his hands was able to move and the referee was apologizing to Lawler because of that call. They say that the fighters in One FC are quite different from UFC. Just look at Vera who is not doing quite well during his days in UFC, but in One FC, he is a champ but not until someone defeated him in the last One FC event.

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on October 15, 2019, 01:08:05 PM

Maybe he was too relaxed at the start of the fight and wasn't expecting Jorge to be that aggressive immediately after the match started.

I don't know if it was part of the plan to wait for Ben to come to the center of the octagon first before launching that flying knee like a rocket.

I later also watched his "friendly" wrestling match against Jordan Burroughs, who is an active Olympic Wrestler in Ben Askren's weight class,
and Jordan Burroughs obliterated him, won with superiority like 11-0 (in wrestling points).

Conclusion being, there is a great difference between being a competent sportsman & athlete, which Askren definitely is, and being an instinctive, mentally calibrated warrior who is able to handle real high stakes confrontational situations, the combination of the two is needed to become an uncontested champion in martial arts and combat sports...

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Quote from: Vispilio on October 15, 2019, 08:16:52 AM

showed deep lack of understanding for distance and fighting instinct.

Maybe he was too relaxed at the start of the fight and wasn't expecting Jorge to be that aggressive immediately after the match started.

I don't know if it was part of the plan to wait for Ben to come to the center of the octagon first before launching that flying knee like a rocket.

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Quote from: DaveWave on October 14, 2019, 11:09:13 PM

Ben Askren's defeat to Mashvidal could be a fluke. It could have been very interesting too see how the two combatants fared to each other throughout the rounds.

You can call it fluke or luck but Ben Askren was run through like a truck and he was out cold. The set up was great for that knee and you cannot call that a fluke. I expected Ben Askren to dominate Masvidal but it was over just like it started.

Quote from: DaveWave on October 14, 2019, 11:09:13 PM

Askren could be 100% back that night but we didn't see that and probably never will since he is not undefeated this time. That fateful knee deprived us at least a round or two. Kudos to Mashvidal though for making it an early night for him.

Askren is intelligent enough to come back and fight but the aura of undefeated is gone and so does many of the fighters coming in UFC, there is no tune up fights and all the top fighters have the ability to finish the fight.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 15, 2019, 01:59:53 AM

Lets see how Askren make a comeback with what happen to him against Masvidal where he got a One Hit Knockout. We will see his recovery after what happened to him. He must win into this fight so that he can gain his confidence again and probably fight Masvidal again for a rematch.

Wrestlers are incredibly tough, in fact it can be argued that fighters with wrestling backgrounds currently dominate fighting sports more so than any other martial art;

however Askren's 5 second knockout was one of the most embarrassing losses I've seen, showed deep lack of understanding for distance and fighting instinct. He definitely needs a rematch to reclaim his confidence and prestige as a fighter after taking that flying knee straight on...

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Quote from: DaveWave on October 14, 2019, 01:34:34 AM

Coming up next will be Demian Maia vs Ben Askren. Is Askren the same after suffering that brutal seconds first round knockout? There's possible psychological effects and that was also his first lost on MMA. If Askren is back with his mindset 100% then he wins. The location is also in Singapore, where he had many memorable fights. Maybe he will feel at home in this fight and boost his confidence.

Lets see how Askren make a comeback with what happen to him against Masvidal where he got a One Hit Knockout. We will see his recovery after what happened to him. He must win into this fight so that he can gain his confidence again and probably fight Masvidal again for a rematch.

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Ben Askren haven't fought for over a year since his last on at ONE FC. He was shaking dusts during that Robbie Lawler fight. Robbie was only a tune up, but props to him for making it a real tough fight. But let us say Askren was not 100% back at that time.

Ben Askren's defeat to Mashvidal could be a fluke. It could have been very interesting too see how the two combatants fared to each other throughout the rounds. Askren could be 100% back that night but we didn't see that and probably never will since he is not undefeated this time. That fateful knee deprived us at least a round or two. Kudos to Mashvidal though for making it an early night for him.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 14, 2019, 09:31:59 AM

Can't blame the guy for wanting to rise up fast in the rankings and challenge for that belt, he was that confident in his abilities. Unfortunately for him, that knee put him and his mouth to sleep.

I am not having any issues with Ben Askren talking his way to the title because he was a champion in Bellator and OneFC and if he could win a few fights he could have got the title shot but with the defeat it will take a longer time to get to title contention.

Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 14, 2019, 09:31:59 AM

To be fair though, Robie isn't getting out of that hold. Early stoppage or not, Ben will choke him out to victory.

The bulldog choke was deep and he could have gone to sleep if the fight continued for a few seconds more but before that the referee stopped which caused this doubt among the general public and earlier in the fight Ben took too many shots and even that could have being stopped by the referee and hence a rematch would be fair.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 14, 2019, 09:21:35 AM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 14, 2019, 07:49:50 AM

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After all the big talks and challenging everyone in the UFC, the first fight had its controversy and he never gave a rematch to Robbie Lawler and in his second fight where he went to London to challenge Till but end up challenging Masvidal and that ended in five seconds and the next fight is not easy either, if he fails this one then he can retire Cheesy

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Can't blame the guy for wanting to rise up fast in the rankings and challenge for that belt, he was that confident in his abilities. Unfortunately for him, that knee put him and his mouth to sleep.

To be fair though, Robie isn't getting out of that hold. Early stoppage or not, Ben will choke him out to victory.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 14, 2019, 07:49:50 AM

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He is a popular fighter in Asia but he has to overcome Demian Maia which is a hard task.

Nobody is an easy task. Everyone prepares to win the fight and anyone who underestimates his opponent will pay dearly.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 14, 2019, 07:49:50 AM

We'll see how Ben Askren is really made off in this fight. Some fighters never really recovered after suffering their first and humiliating loss.

After all the big talks and challenging everyone in the UFC, the first fight had its controversy and he never gave a rematch to Robbie Lawler and in his second fight where he went to London to challenge Till but end up challenging Masvidal and that ended in five seconds and the next fight is not easy either, if he fails this one then he can retire Cheesy

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on October 14, 2019, 07:49:50 AM

The reception should be great for him. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose in front of the Asian crowd that will surely support him.

He is a popular fighter in Asia but he has to overcome Demian Maia which is a hard task.

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We'll see how Ben Askren is really made off in this fight. Some fighters never really recovered after suffering their first and humiliating loss.

Quote from: DaveWave on October 14, 2019, 01:34:34 AM

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If Askren is back with his mindset 100% then he wins. The location is also in Singapore, where he had many memorable fights. Maybe he will feel at home in this fight and boost his confidence.

The reception should be great for him. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose in front of the Asian crowd that will surely support him.

Quote from: eaLiTy on October 14, 2019, 07:25:36 AM

Quote from: DaveWave on October 14, 2019, 01:34:34 AM

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The challenges are many for Ben Askren to be a champion in the UFC and this fight will give you an idea on how he could fight against high level grapplers, the toughest he fought is Shinya Aoki and a young Douglas Lima.

I thought his fight with Shinya Aoki was too easy for him (no offense to Shinya and his fans).

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