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Once your heart stops beating your consciousness will separate from your body as spark like entity. It will travel to dimension not known and cannot be reach by live humans.

Science is still too young to understand this things.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

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There are many groundbreaking studies like that. Another story that pops up every few years has to do with old coffins found with deep fingernail scratching on the interior. There is a lot of evidence of life after death if you look.

http://listverse.com/2010/02/02/10-horrifying-premature-burials/

Fuck that
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 Cool





There are many groundbreaking studies like that. Another story that pops up every few years has to do with old coffins found with deep fingernail scratching on the interior. There is a lot of evidence of life after death if you look.
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This is my two cents for anyone wondering how to get to heaven.

Believing in Jesus and the principles of the new testament bible will always lead to heaven eventually.

"Something" made the universe.
EVERYTHING in the universe follows a mathematically precise order.


Please do not mention evolution Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Something as mathematically accurate as the universe cannot come out of an accident...
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Why do you guys find it hard to accept that man is made up of a body, a soul and a spirit?

The spirit enables the soul to remain in the body. Once the spirit leaves, the soul has to leave and the body dies.

Simple.

The soul goes to either heaven or hell.

Hell is deep down the earth crust.

Heaven is somewhere above and outside the universe.
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If a person actually dies and never was able to recover from his "deadness", then will he still have the same consciousness?

This is akin to the question "is it possible to step into the same river twice"?
For all the change that happens in death, consciousness may still remain stable in some respect because consciousness is a unity. A river can’t remain a river, unless its water continues to flow, and consciousness needs death for renewal and growth.
The patient had memories that were apparently formed independently of any brain function, so therefore there was consciousness without the brain and a record of the events was left in the patient's consciousness.
I conclude that the record maintained by the body passes away while the record at the soul-level continues to present itself in consciousness.
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Consciousness. How much does it weigh. What shape does it have. How big is it.





Apparently the answer to your question is 21 grams. This is the unaccounted for/unexplained weight that is lost moving from a living human body to a corpse. I looked it up after watching the movie "21 grams".
Awesome movie BTW if you're a Sean Penn fan  Wink
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Lol, have to say that they are pretty interesting findings. But it doesn't prove that life after death is true.

The people who were involved in this experiment all came alive afterwards. If a person actually dies and never was able to recover from his "deadness", then will he still have the same consciousness?

It doesn't prove that there isn't life after death either. I mean, I would prefer a life after death than no life after death. Life is way more fun Tongue

“I hope it is true that a man can die and yet not only live in others but give them life, and not only life, but that great consciousness of life.”
- Jack Kerouac
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Consciousness. How much does it weigh. What shape does it have. How big is it.


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Becoming legend, but I took merit to the knee :(
Think about it, death is simply what we humans classify as a state when modern technology can no longer resucitate/put u back in one piece, functional equivalence and those other shits. 80 years ago if a guy had a heart attack, he would be pronounced dead, now with aeds and almost everyone knowing cpr, he would simply be classified as high chance of mortality, not dead.

Death is simply when technology or medicinal advances can no longer help to bring back someone, so technically it isnt death, although I wouldn't classify it as being alive either

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Death. 1: the irreversible cessation of all vital functions especially as indicated by permanent stoppage of the heart, respiration, and brain activity  
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Of course there can be life after "death"
We have material and energy but most important then that, we have conscience!
The conscience is our soul.
The conscience is stored in microtubules.
After "death" It is released in cosmos
The sciences think conscience is flowing in cosmos
The Christians ( and not only) think conscience it returns to Creator.
The materialists ( as atheists or others) think nothing but even that they have conscience.





How do you know that?




If you take some quantum view, you might find that consciousness can entangle itself in most everything


Discovery of quantum vibrations in 'microtubules' inside brain neurons supports controversial theory of consciousness



Then... Could mean that all consciousness is entangled with everything, thus everything is consciousness, not simply trapped in our brain? Maybe that vibration is how the instrument that is our brain is acting like a FM radio and that vibration is the frequency of reception?



Possibly entangled in degrees. I can dig what you're (we're) tuning into Smiley

You may find the notion that consciousness is not simply tied to our brains to be worth considering

There is a branch of science that is neurocardiology and some research in the field suggests that the brain is not the only seat of consciousness. Interestingly, the EM field radiating from the heart (when I was still in college we learned that MRI brain scanning had to be corrected against the EM field from the heart) is some non-insignificant size bigger than the brain, and also, the heart is the first organ to form during development.

Also, your gut probably also is a seat of consciousness.



Considering that consciousness isn't localized to just the brain might allow a framework towards extending consciousness to the rest of the Universe

Smiley
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Then... Could it mean that all consciousness is entangled with everything, thus everything is consciousness, not simply trapped in our brain? Maybe that vibration is how the instrument that is our brain is acting like a FM radio and that vibration is the frequency of reception?


That sounds right to me!

Since this man's mind did function without any brain, it is therefore proven that mind and brain are independent. It is mysterious to think of these two as separate, but this is only so under the paradigm of philosophical materialism, which must now be discarded. We must now admit that Consciousness drives evolution.

"Ultimately we need a global shift in thinking, in behaviour, away from the material and towards the spiritual, and in my view this study has the potential to help foment that."

It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.

Louis Pasteur and many other eminent researchers thought that it was more probable that mind came before matter, and Hammeroff has presented evidence that feelings came before the brain.
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minds.com/Wilikon
Of course there can be life after "death"
We have material and energy but most important then that, we have conscience!
The conscience is our soul.
The conscience is stored in microtubules.
After "death" It is released in cosmos
The sciences think conscience is flowing in cosmos
The Christians ( and not only) think conscience it returns to Creator.
The materialists ( as atheists or others) think nothing but even that they have conscience.





How do you know that?




If you take some quantum view, you might find that consciousness can entangle itself in most everything


Discovery of quantum vibrations in 'microtubules' inside brain neurons supports controversial theory of consciousness



Then... Could it mean that all consciousness is entangled with everything, thus everything is consciousness, not simply trapped in our brain? Maybe that vibration is how the instrument that is our brain is acting like a FM radio and that vibration is the frequency of reception?


legendary
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Let a person die for an hour, see if he/she comes back.

Brain without oxygenated blood will be dead (or severely damaged) within 10 minutes.

Cell death is irreversible.

The exception I can think of is when someone 'drowns' in very cold water.  Usually a child with low body mass.  I've heard what seem to be fairly credible reports of long-ish periods of 'death' in such circumstances with a reasonable recovery.  I think I heard of a stow-away in a jet aircraft who achieved a similar result.  I'd point out though that someone who would climb into the landing gear of a jet liner probably didn't start out with a very high level of brain function in the first place.



If entropy uniformity doesn't change too drastically (e.g. H2O in blood et al. crystallizing and expanding when frozen), all it is is a slowing down of continuing metabolic processes.

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The "Goldilocks" zone. Heh. Question for you guys: do you think if we observed one of those planets where life is just starting, that life would proceed in approximately the same way it theoretically did on Earth? Or would the life be fundamentally different perhaps? Would there be mammals, bacteria, viruses, amphibians, or something else completely? Given the environment is relatively the same.

many factors is on the line if life is ever to start on a planet that is in a Goldilocks zone.
even if the environment is the same to the in the planet in question.

The rate of living on other planets might also drastically be slower[/faster] than we can detect, implying that what we think is the Goldilocks zone is relative.
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Not true i should say. i would rather choose not to learn what happen to my BTC after I'm dead. it would put me to hell once i learn my btc goes to someone who bushwacked desktop.
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Pretty exciting stuff. Hey that just got me thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if the powers that be found a way to trap this consciousness/soul in the real world and use it as a spiritual battery of sorts?? Might not be that great for the person who died though to not be able to break free and find release even after death.
Oh but wait... the dead can't complain.. right babe??   Cheesy
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Let a person die for an hour, see if he/she comes back.

Brain without oxygenated blood will be dead (or severely damaged) within 10 minutes.

Cell death is irreversible.

The exception I can think of is when someone 'drowns' in very cold water.  Usually a child with low body mass.  I've heard what seem to be fairly credible reports of long-ish periods of 'death' in such circumstances with a reasonable recovery.  I think I heard of a stow-away in a jet aircraft who achieved a similar result.  I'd point out though that someone who would climb into the landing gear of a jet liner probably didn't start out with a very high level of brain function in the first place.

legendary
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Let a person die for an hour, see if he/she comes back.

Brain without oxygenated blood will be dead (or severely damaged) within 10 minutes.

Cell death is irreversible.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
Of course there can be life after "death"
We have material and energy but most important then that, we have conscience!
The conscience is our soul.
The conscience is stored in microtubules.
After "death" It is released in cosmos
The sciences think conscience is flowing in cosmos
The Christians ( and not only) think conscience it returns to Creator.
The materialists ( as atheists or others) think nothing but even that they have conscience.





How do you know that?




If you take some quantum view, you might find that consciousness can entangle itself in most everything


Discovery of quantum vibrations in 'microtubules' inside brain neurons supports controversial theory of consciousness
hero member
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Merit: 500
Of course there can be life after "death"
We have material and energy but most important then that, we have conscience!
The conscience is our soul.
The conscience is stored in microtubules.
After "death" It is released in cosmos
The sciences think conscience is flowing in cosmos
The Christians ( and not only) think conscience it returns to Creator.
The materialists ( as atheists or others) think nothing but even that they have conscience.





How do you know that?



That's the physicists explanation.
That was an scientific perspective.

From my perspective everything is clear  Wink ( I'm a Orthodox Christian, "low practitioner")
I don't have to prove my existence or my conscience.
Life continues after  material death but not in a material form, that's why many of us don't understand.
Remember that, conscience is our truth, There are stored our sins. That's  our soul.
No one can lie himself (his conscience)
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