Hey guys you all need to read this: http://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/kenneth-hagin.html
For those of us who do not know Kenneth Hagin, he was a very respected man in the society. He finally died at 86.
Topic: There IS life after DEATH: Scientists reveal shock findings - page 6. (Read 6495 times)
There is consiousness after brain death.
No one can prove that consiousness stops at brain death NEITHER can you prove that consiousness continues.
But we know there are facets of the universe that science cannot yet explain.
Facets like dark matter and dark energy. They can't be seen or measured, but their effect resonates through all of outerspace.
Ever thought that kind of facet applies to man as well?
No one can prove that consiousness stops at brain death NEITHER can you prove that consiousness continues.
But we know there are facets of the universe that science cannot yet explain.
Facets like dark matter and dark energy. They can't be seen or measured, but their effect resonates through all of outerspace.
Ever thought that kind of facet applies to man as well?
Everybody has a "god". It is a psychological reality.
Jesus said that too, his words "the kingdom of GOD is WITHIN YOU" and "I am not our master" and many others clearly point to enlightenment as a state of consciousness. If you want to know what a person's god is, which should not be your business anyway, you do not ask, you observe.
Specifically, you observe the results of the person's actions, just like you can know a tree by observing the fruit that it yields.In analytical psychology, Jung wrote extensively of what he called the archetypal "Self", i.e., the "god" of a person. You can look for its footprints, its shadow, its droppings etc, but you will never actually see it, name it or whatever.
You cannot actually observe GOD (Self), and you cannot say "look, here it is" because GOD is WITHIN YOU.Yes. I mean No. Wait. What was the question?
No one who has meditated extensively upon Self, and realized Self through such methods, whether Eastern or Western, ancient or modern, has ever ONCE stated that "this egoic experience is the only experience that we have ever had and shall ever have". The East has "neti neti", the West has "know thyself"; it is hardly surprising that true wisdom escapes such easy summation. A good "enlightened" thinker (expert) is Deepak Chopra, he has many valuable books and articles and lectures on these subjects AND on the topic of mind-body HEALING, another class of phenomena that lends evidence to the idea that mind is something other than natural brain/body phenomena. I have read the writings of some who I believe to be enlightened, and if you want to understand modern enlightened thought then besides being familiar with Jesus and Buddha and Mohammed, you have to be intimately familiar with the concepts described by Chopra and also these other eminent thinkers:https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers
When somebody says they are an atheist usually what they are saying is "I recognize the bullshit in you and I decline to inhale the same nonsense". Does that mean they have some higher truth? Or some lower truth?
When someone says they are an atheist usually what they are saying is "I believe that evidence for the supernatural is lacking". Specifically, an atheist is always someone who believes that supernatural concepts are lacking coherency and/or supporting evidence. But does that belief match the reality?This study is evidence for the supernatural because the result (a documented case of veridical perception) strongly suggests that there is more to the mind than the brain (physical).
Therefore, atheists are missing the reality by ignoring the powerful evidence that has been presented in this very thread:
It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
On the other hand, the physicalist claim that awareness "descends into nothing" is presented without ANY scientific evidence. Such rhetorical opinions are presented as if they were scientific by pseudo-skeptics who often think they have no burden of proof.
So you neurons are firing longer than they initially thought after your heart stops.
You class that as living?
Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.
You class that as living?
Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.
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This is the correct answer.
Always people a looking for everlasting life, what happens when a slug dies?
Same thing that happens to us, isn't it just rotten
that we rot away, we don't live on at all.No one can ever prove it, they never have never will.
We all agree something is going on... Or not?
There is a lot of talk about atheist this and that, but some people miss the reality.
Everybody has a "god". It is a psychological reality. If you want to know what a person's god is, which should not be your business anyway, you do not ask, you observe.
In analytical psychology, Jung wrote extensively of what he called the archetypal "Self", i.e., the "god" of a person. You can look for its footprints, its shadow, its droppings etc, but you will never actually see it, name it or whatever.
When somebody says they are an atheist usually what they are saying is "I recognize the bullshit in you and I decline to inhale the same nonsense". Does that mean they have some higher truth? Or some lower truth?
Yes. I mean No. Wait. What was the question?
Everybody has a "god". It is a psychological reality. If you want to know what a person's god is, which should not be your business anyway, you do not ask, you observe.
In analytical psychology, Jung wrote extensively of what he called the archetypal "Self", i.e., the "god" of a person. You can look for its footprints, its shadow, its droppings etc, but you will never actually see it, name it or whatever.
When somebody says they are an atheist usually what they are saying is "I recognize the bullshit in you and I decline to inhale the same nonsense". Does that mean they have some higher truth? Or some lower truth?
Yes. I mean No. Wait. What was the question?
This is similar to formal, theistic religions. Nobody in any religion believes in God exactly the same way as anyone else. This doesn't mean that the real God hasn't given us a partial description of Himself.
Finally. Someone got it. No. Brain. Activity.
It's time for atheists to admit that this study has given a satisfactory counterexample to the unsupported idea that awareness ends at death:
Furthermore, No one can ever prove that awareness descends into nothingness after death because that assertion is based on the premise that awareness is generated by the brain, and this case presents a counterexample that refutes the premise.
Some people in this thread are mistaken: The neurons are not firing at all after 40 seconds of cardiac arrest. There has never been brain activity recorded on the EEG that lasts longer than 40 seconds after arrest, and brain activity is not restored until blood flow is restored (CPR does not provide sufficient oxygen to restart the brain after cardiac arrest). Mainstream scientists have always maintained that brain activity is required for consciousness.
The patient had memories that were apparently formed independently of any brain function, so therefore there was consciousness without the brain and a record of the events was left in the patient's consciousness.
There is no materialistic explanation for veridical perception and the memory record without a working brain.
I conclude that the record maintained by the body passes away while the record at the soul-level continues to present itself in consciousness.
Since this man's mind did function without a working brain, it is therefore proven that mind and brain are independent. Philosophical materialism must now be discarded because it holds to the false premise that the mind is generated by the brain. We must now admit that Consciousness drives evolution.
It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
The patient had memories that were apparently formed independently of any brain function, so therefore there was consciousness without the brain and a record of the events was left in the patient's consciousness.
There is no materialistic explanation for veridical perception and the memory record without a working brain.
I conclude that the record maintained by the body passes away while the record at the soul-level continues to present itself in consciousness.
Since this man's mind did function without a working brain, it is therefore proven that mind and brain are independent. Philosophical materialism must now be discarded because it holds to the false premise that the mind is generated by the brain. We must now admit that Consciousness drives evolution.
It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
Finally. Someone got it. No. Brain. Activity.
Some people in this thread are mistaken: The neurons are not firing at all after 40 seconds of cardiac arrest. There has never been brain activity recorded on the EEG that lasts longer than 40 seconds after arrest, and brain activity is not restored until blood flow is restored (CPR does not provide sufficient oxygen to restart the brain after cardiac arrest). Mainstream scientists have always maintained that brain activity is required for consciousness.
The patient had memories that were apparently formed independently of any brain function, so therefore there was consciousness without the brain and a record of the events was left in the patient's consciousness.
There is no materialistic explanation for veridical perception and the memory record without a working brain.
I conclude that the record maintained by the body passes away while the record at the soul-level continues to present itself in consciousness.
Since this man's mind did function without a working brain, it is therefore proven that mind and brain are independent. Philosophical materialism must now be discarded because it holds to the false premise that the mind is generated by the brain. We must now admit that Consciousness drives evolution.
It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
Furthermore, No one can ever prove that awareness descends into nothingness after death because that assertion is based on the premise that awareness is generated by the brain, and this case presents a counterexample that refutes the premise.
The patient had memories that were apparently formed independently of any brain function, so therefore there was consciousness without the brain and a record of the events was left in the patient's consciousness.
There is no materialistic explanation for veridical perception and the memory record without a working brain.
I conclude that the record maintained by the body passes away while the record at the soul-level continues to present itself in consciousness.
Since this man's mind did function without a working brain, it is therefore proven that mind and brain are independent. Philosophical materialism must now be discarded because it holds to the false premise that the mind is generated by the brain. We must now admit that Consciousness drives evolution.
It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.
Furthermore, No one can ever prove that awareness descends into nothingness after death because that assertion is based on the premise that awareness is generated by the brain, and this case presents a counterexample that refutes the premise.
Nothing gets created nor destroyed only converted to something else.
So you neurons are firing longer than they initially thought after your heart stops.
You class that as living?
Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.
You class that as living?
Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.
^
This is the correct answer.
Always people a looking for everlasting life, what happens when a slug dies?
Same thing that happens to us, isn't it just rotten
that we rot away, we don't live on at all.No one can ever prove it, they never have never will.
according to religious beliefs much of the people believe that there is life after death.but no one ever thought about that science will prove it one day,because in much of cases science differentiate from religious thought.it is a shocking news
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Who force you to be religious? Why the atheists are so full of hate? full of lies and full of bullshit?
The fact that your specifically telling me how to believe and are specifically trying to claim that Athiesm is fanaticism, as for the others, I am against that as well in case you didn't notice, but because I dared to criticise all religion you've decided to freak out and go on the attack because you can't believe someone might disagree with you. People like you are utterly delusional, you act as if any criticism of your religion and beliefs is some kind of concerted effort to persecute you when really all I want is for you to leave me the fuck alone, keep your bullshit in the church and away from the real world and we're good. If however you are going to try and usurp governments and establish a Theocracy where I live you will always find me countering you.
Religion and other forms of fantacism is just a desperate cop out by people who aren't willing to try and find out the genuine truth which is a lot harder than simply saying "God created us" you are being intellectually cowardly by trying to attack me for saying this.
Also, I am an Anarchist, I wouldn't worship your cunt of a God even if he was real, stop trying to pigeon hole people into ideologies just to fit your narrative.
LIFE after death has been "confirmed" by scientists who have discovered consciousness continues even once a person has died.
In a large scale study of more than 2,000 people, British boffins confirmed that thoughts DO carry on after the heart stops.
The shock research has also uncovered the most convincing evidence of an out of body experience for a patient declared dead.
It had been believed the brain stopped all activity 30 seconds after the heart had stopped pumping blood around the body, and that with that, awareness ceases too.
However, the study from the University of Southampton shows people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead.
Lead researcher Dr Sam Parnia said: "Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.
"If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as 'cardiac arrest'; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called ‘death’."
Of the 2,060 patients from Austria, the US and the UK interviewed for the study who had survived cardiac arrest, almost 40 per cent said that they recall some form of awareness after being pronounced clinically dead.
Dr Parnia continued: "This suggests more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories after recovery, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall.”
Of those who said they had experienced some awareness, just two per cent said their experience was consistent with the feeling of an outer body experience – where one feels completely aware and can hear and see what’s going on around them after death.
Almost half of the respondents said the experience was not of awareness, but rather of fear.
However, the most significant finding of the study is that of a 57-year old man who is perhaps the first confirmed outer body experience in a patient.
The man was able to recall with eerie accuracy what was going on around him after he had ‘died’ temporarily.
Dr Parnia continued: "This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with 'real' events when the heart isn't beating.
"In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat.
“This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn't resume again until the heart has been restarted.
“Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study
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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...
i dont think that results of this scientific research is true.. 2000 people isnt enogh to say that there is a life after death.. scientists must do experiment with a great number of people .
I don't know how scientists can confirm that there is a life after death, i don't think they went there and came back to tell us? It is very good stated in the QURAN than there is a life after death and it is no doubt about it.
So the Express huh? ) Since I was a child I was told never trust to the Sun, the Express and the Daily Mail. Was I told wrong? I don't think so. They are always "revealing shock findings" but how many of them managed to survive a scientific test?
Some times, it is good to let go of Google and never know...
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study
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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...
There are many groundbreaking studies like that. Another story that pops up every few years has to do with old coffins found with deep fingernail scratching on the interior. There is a lot of evidence of life after death if you look.
http://listverse.com/2010/02/02/10-horrifying-premature-burials/
Fuck that
Some times, it is good to let go of Google and never know...
All this states is a that something is going on even after people are dead, why the fuck are religious people so damn arrogant that they feel they can declare something so significant without having evidence for what they say? Who says this has anything to do with their being a creator god? Also, why the fuck should I care either way about your religion? Here's my own personal theory on the subject, if there is any after life, I doubt it's anything that humans have imagined for themselves and that it doesn't necessarily mean there are gods of any sort out there. Or alternatively, if there are gods, they are relatively meaningless to our world.
The old arguments against bullshit religion are still completely fair, why is there more than one religion if their is only one creator god? Why is it that humans have free will if these gods are so powerful? Why can't these gods intervene? It's just so incredibly fucking arrogant to declare one way or the other without actually knowing or observing anything. Besides it doesn't matter to me if a god did exist, why would I want to be part of any religion with such unpleasant cunts and an even more unpleasant god?
Again, the arrogance of religious people who have immediately jumped on this thread is unbelievable, you don't know anything for certain and you're full of shit if you claim otherwise, unlike you, I want to find out the real truth, none of this sensationalist, indoctrinated bullshit we know as religious fanaticism.
Lethn please keep your bullshit away!The old arguments against bullshit religion are still completely fair, why is there more than one religion if their is only one creator god? Why is it that humans have free will if these gods are so powerful? Why can't these gods intervene? It's just so incredibly fucking arrogant to declare one way or the other without actually knowing or observing anything. Besides it doesn't matter to me if a god did exist, why would I want to be part of any religion with such unpleasant cunts and an even more unpleasant god?
Again, the arrogance of religious people who have immediately jumped on this thread is unbelievable, you don't know anything for certain and you're full of shit if you claim otherwise, unlike you, I want to find out the real truth, none of this sensationalist, indoctrinated bullshit we know as religious fanaticism.
You speak about fanaticism? Look at feminism, Marxism, socialism, communism, capitalism, bolshevism ..Look at atheism !!
Do you know how many people (Christians most of them) were killed by Marxism-atheism-bolshevism? Please tell me how many!!
Don't try to lie ..I'm living in a country where million of Christians were killed because of the Marxism-atheism!
If there is one God why there are many religions? Put your brain to work! All because of different interpretations !!!
You are speaking about fanaticism or terrorism? You not even know where those words are coming!!
Who force you to be religious? Why the atheists are so full of hate? full of lies and full of bullshit?
You are talking about observing? you are talking about indoctrination? even education is a indoctrination, even shopping ..Where is your logic?
The biggest problem at atheists is LOGIC, they don't have LOGIC, and somehow is explained, the animals has no logic. They think that humans are animals..
Arrogance of religion? Probably you mean ARROGANCE OF ATHEISM!
You think if you're atheist you are smart then others? This is what I mean ARROGANCE!
Put your brain and learn something about religions but not from the atheist forums. Read something from different sources!
You even don't know what means "anti-semitic"
You are asking why God don't intervene? Go ahead and read! learn! think!
You are speaking about freedom? Do you think you are free? Are you a kid? With your mentality you are not free! Please let me know how many choice is yours? When you watch at tv is it your own choice? When you buy something is your own choice? No! Is not your own! You are manipulated to do that thing.
From a Christian perspective, God gave us the free will, how? (Deuteronom 30:19) (Iosua 24:15) (Matthew 27:35)
How can an atheist to choice what is good and what is wrong (not only for him, but even for others)? using hedonistic philosophy? pleasure=good pain=wrong/bad ? or using your intellect? Please tell me how many "toxic" food which you like it, do you eat?
Atheist don't believe bad(evil in any forms) exist so there is no bad or good there is only pleasure and pain. This is the key of consumerism!
You are only numbers!
And atheists please don't name humans, animals. You offend my intellect! (btw I love animals!! )
All this states is a that something is going on even after people are dead, why the fuck are religious people so damn arrogant that they feel they can declare something so significant without having evidence for what they say? Who says this has anything to do with their being a creator god? Also, why the fuck should I care either way about your religion? Here's my own personal theory on the subject, if there is any after life, I doubt it's anything that humans have imagined for themselves and that it doesn't necessarily mean there are gods of any sort out there. Or alternatively, if there are gods, they are relatively meaningless to our world.
The old arguments against bullshit religion are still completely fair, why is there more than one religion if their is only one creator god? Why is it that humans have free will if these gods are so powerful? Why can't these gods intervene? It's just so incredibly fucking arrogant to declare one way or the other without actually knowing or observing anything. Besides it doesn't matter to me if a god did exist, why would I want to be part of any religion with such unpleasant cunts and an even more unpleasant god?
Again, the arrogance of religious people who have immediately jumped on this thread is unbelievable, you don't know anything for certain and you're full of shit if you claim otherwise, unlike you, I want to find out the real truth, none of this sensationalist, indoctrinated bullshit we know as religious fanaticism.
The old arguments against bullshit religion are still completely fair, why is there more than one religion if their is only one creator god? Why is it that humans have free will if these gods are so powerful? Why can't these gods intervene? It's just so incredibly fucking arrogant to declare one way or the other without actually knowing or observing anything. Besides it doesn't matter to me if a god did exist, why would I want to be part of any religion with such unpleasant cunts and an even more unpleasant god?
Again, the arrogance of religious people who have immediately jumped on this thread is unbelievable, you don't know anything for certain and you're full of shit if you claim otherwise, unlike you, I want to find out the real truth, none of this sensationalist, indoctrinated bullshit we know as religious fanaticism.
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