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sr. member
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November 09, 2015, 09:30:18 PM
Where is the happy ending?
How does the forkin' fun ever end?

When the forkin phorkers fork off.
Well not all forks are bad, we need one to increase the size right? I mean everyone believes we can't stay at 1mb, that is just a given.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
November 09, 2015, 11:33:41 PM
Well - I think this topic has veered entirely off-topic now so I'm going to lock it.

It is obvious who the main XT shills are on this forum and we'll see them in numerous other topics no doubt.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
November 09, 2015, 09:19:21 PM
I stand corrected, should've said fork *themselves* off the network.
sr. member
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November 09, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
I was referring to the centralisation as a harmful situation for the network, the thing that everyone is afraid of.

Miners' centralized block validation creates a network fork



Nothing to see here.


Some of the giant chinese mining pools are currently centralizing the validation of every transactions they mine.

Do you find that to be a concern?

I do. And I recall some of them paid dearly for that recently, so they might be thinking about it too.

What part of "they're still doing" did you not understand?

You'd think they would've stopped by now if really it wasn't profitable.

But no, we'll just pretend that a couple of dropped blocks undermined weeks and months of cheating the system.  

"That'll make em learn"!

Roll Eyes

So we should be really afraid of miners solving blocks that will be rejected by the rest of the network?

You guys have such interesting concerns.

You can't "fork" the network with invalid blocks.
hero member
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November 09, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
I was referring to the centralisation as a harmful situation for the network, the thing that everyone is afraid of.

Miners' centralized block validation creates a network forkfork themselves off the network.



Nothing to see here.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
November 09, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
Where is the happy ending?
How does the forkin' fun ever end?

When the forkin phorkers fork off.
staff
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I support freedom of choice
November 09, 2015, 09:00:09 PM
I was referring to the centralisation as a harmful situation for the network, the thing that everyone is afraid of.

The next time I will not write "centralization", but I'll write "centralization-AND-where-miners-do-bad-things" Shocked
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
November 09, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Where is the happy ending?
How does the forkin' fun ever end?
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
November 09, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
Miners' centralization can't exist yet it happened this year and was responsible for a network fork. forking half the hashpower off the network.


legendary
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Terminated.
November 09, 2015, 08:53:29 PM
@Lauda
While you suggest me (or others) to watch videos, you should at least watch the one where we were talking about  Roll Eyes
I quickly skimmed through it. My suggestion was not related to the specific post nor video, but rather some lack of understanding that I saw going through your posts. Technically "centralizing of mining can't exist, because they have no power to achieve it" is a false statement. What the video was talking about is that the miners can not harm the system as the system would ignore them. Situations: Mining is centralized and can harm the system; mining is centralized and can not able harm the system; i.e. not directly related ((A ∧ B) ∨ (A ∧ ⌜B)). In other words, when miners (or mining) can't hurt the system we do not know if mining is centralized or not (not directly related - as said). Centralization does not necessarily imply harm (bad actors).


Now remind me again how this is related to "Time to stand up to the XT shills here!"?
staff
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November 09, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
It was the day of the two pizzas Smiley (and as I remember I was already lurking the forum from two weeks likely)
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November 09, 2015, 08:46:43 PM
@Lauda
While you suggest me (or others) to watch videos, you should at least watch the one where we were talking about  Roll Eyes

The funny thing is:

She joined in April 2013, after the run up to $253


You joined in May 2010, when btc was less than $1


LOL dumbass must have ran out of "come back"
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November 09, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
Now after what you wrote, I'm not sure if you are just a alt-coin holder or more a gov. agent Grin (or just an idiot)
likely the latter.
Funny, this is the first thing that would come up in my mind for a person cheering for a Bitcoin CEO. They government would surely like this (blacklisting enforced anyone?).

I was just pointing out that the centralizing of mining can't exist, because they have no power to achieve it.
I don't even know where to begin (everyone talking about centralization so far must have been wrong). I'd one of suggest the following: 1) Stop taking part in such discussions; 2) Watch educational (technical) videos and read up more; 3) Ask someone directly for help.

You should keep all that to yourself.

You sounds more and more like an idiot when you all do is attacking.

says Adam Allcocks the master of dickheads

Its something to be proud of no?
Just google my name bitch, i built $1M company at the age of 13. What have you done retard? Oh yeah.... you joined this forum to trade altcoin hoping you dont miss the train....
hero member
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November 09, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Now after what you wrote, I'm not sure if you are just a alt-coin holder or more a gov. agent Grin (or just an idiot)
likely the latter.
Funny, this is the first thing that would come up in my mind for a person cheering for a Bitcoin CEO. They government would surely like this (blacklisting enforced anyone?).

I was just pointing out that the centralizing of mining can't exist, because they have no power to achieve it.
I don't even know where to begin (everyone talking about centralization so far must have been wrong). I'd one of suggest the following: 1) Stop taking part in such discussions; 2) Watch educational (technical) videos and read up more; 3) Ask someone directly for help.

You should keep all that to yourself.

You sounds more and more like an idiot when you all do is attacking.

says Adam Allcocks the master of dickheads
staff
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I support freedom of choice
November 09, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
@Lauda
While you suggest me (or others) to watch videos, you should at least watch the one where we were talking about  Roll Eyes
full member
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November 09, 2015, 08:42:02 PM
Now after what you wrote, I'm not sure if you are just a alt-coin holder or more a gov. agent Grin (or just an idiot)
likely the latter.
Funny, this is the first thing that would come up in my mind for a person cheering for a Bitcoin CEO. They government would surely like this (blacklisting enforced anyone?).

I was just pointing out that the centralizing of mining can't exist, because they have no power to achieve it.
I don't even know where to begin (everyone talking about centralization so far must have been wrong). I'd one of suggest the following: 1) Stop taking part in such discussions; 2) Watch educational (technical) videos and read up more; 3) Ask someone directly for help.

You should keep all that to yourself.

You sounds more and more like an idiot when you all do is attacking.
legendary
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Terminated.
November 09, 2015, 08:27:23 PM
Now after what you wrote, I'm not sure if you are just a alt-coin holder or more a gov. agent Grin (or just an idiot)
likely the latter.
Funny, this is the first thing that would come up in my mind for a person cheering for a Bitcoin CEO. They government would surely like this (blacklisting enforced anyone?).

I was just pointing out that the centralizing of mining can't exist, because they have no power to achieve it.
I don't even know where to begin (everyone talking about centralization so far must have been wrong?). I'd one of suggest the following: 1) Stop taking part in such discussions; 2) Watch educational (technical) videos and read up more; 3) Ask someone directly for help (maybe shorena?).


Update:
This seems to have gotten way off track from the original topic, this may be in part of BIP100 but it seems like this is going down a rabbit hole of sorts. I think if we are going to start name calling and complaining about the centralization of mining it would probably be suited in a different thread but I guess there are a lot of emotions in these block debates.
This is how it usually goes; diversion after diversion and the thread goes through various unrelated (to the topic) discussions.
staff
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I support freedom of choice
November 09, 2015, 08:17:04 PM
A fraudulent attack from the "miners" against Bitcoin will be only possible if there will be a competitors of egual value or more. The attacking miners will be a part of the competing one.

This is the only situation where it is possible, because it wont be anymore the major network, and so users will just move to the working one during and after the attack. (as it has already happened with some altcoin attacked)
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
November 09, 2015, 07:44:01 PM
Finally, changing the POW would involve rebooting the security of the network down to 0 which has ENORMOUS implications that could certainly be mitigated but definitely isn't some no brainer as Greg makes it appear in the video.

It's increasingly evident you're not suited intellectually for this type of debate and I suggest you leave it to more competent people  Wink
Well, while I think that Greg is easily in a situation of conflict of interests, I weight more his opinion (and Gavin) than yours Wink

Now after what you wrote, I'm not sure if you are just a alt-coin holder or more a gov. agent Grin (or just an idiot)

likely the latter.
hero member
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November 09, 2015, 07:42:26 PM
This is another problem, I was just poiting out that the centralizing of mining can't exist, because they have no power to achieve it.

Just going to quote that one for posterity...

Alert the press! Mining centralization can't exist!
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