Topic: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' - page 3. (Read 3247 times)

When did you stop beating your wife?

Were you an anti-vaxer climate change denying nationalist obsessed with conspiracy theories back then?

I considered myself a leftist. You know what is funny, my ideals didn't really change that much, but one day I looked around and saw there was nothing liberal about the left any more.




" Anarchist Extremists: Antifa
June 12, 2017 · Domestic Terrorism"

https://archive.is/vS2Zx

Weird how this type of stuff always seems to get memory holed isn't it?

We might ask you exactly the same question about who qualifies for "right wing" extremism. Of course standards only apply to your opponents, you are free to manipulate the numbers with various postmodernist relativist definitions that for example put classic liberals into the far right category along with the National Socialist German Worker's Party, and hell why not throw Mao Zedong in there, because everything right is wrong and everything left is right.

Your ideology subsists on small minds being buffer overloaded like a game of Tic Tac Toe in the movie War Games. Just subvert, invert, redefine, rebrand, turn upside down, inside out anything and everything until all frame of reference is lost. Then at the peak of this distraction you sell your lies. Lies that people act in a manner against their own self interest as a result of, the whole while believing the fairy tale they are serving the "greater good". In reality they are just the "useful idiots", the people who will be used as canon fodder to fight these ideological wars of pathological divergence from reality. Some how the designers of this have convinced you that you are part of the club rather than the fodder in this picture. I just want to remind you that the first ones to die in leftist revolutions are always the leftist revolutionaries, by the hand of their own people.

You enjoy attempting to manufacture and dance around in the "nuance" of the subject and be as postmodernist relativist as you want to be. You are openly advocating for and supporting terrorists organizations, groups, and activities. If the open discussion bothers you so much you are free to return to FaceFuck, Twatter, and Googlag where the content will be censored to your particular political tastes and preserve your illusion of being the majority by making sure no right wing extremist cucks are there to disagree with you.

Yeah but we are all fucking retards too busy sucking boils on Marx’s dead body’s little penis to notice....

I think that's incorrect. Everyone who's not TECSHARE is a leftist.

At 14,000 arrested, the current series of riots are likely the worst in US history. To minimize and literally gloss over such is delusional.

As of 7-8, there had been 23 killed in these riots.

 https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/08/23-people-died-protests-looting-violence-george-floyd-death/

Or take Wikipedia, which indicates 28 have died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests

This is what you call great detail? Two paragraphs in about 20 pages focused on the right wing from this "supposedly non-partisan" source.


"In addition, the far-left includes Antifa, which is a contraction of the phrase “anti-fascist.” It refers to a decentralized network of far-left militants that oppose what they believe are fascist, racist, or otherwise right-wing extremists. While some consider Antifa a sub-set of anarchists, adherents frequently blend anarchist and communist views. One of the most common symbols used by Antifa combines the red flag of the 1917 Russian Revolution and the black flag of nineteenth-century anarchists. Antifa groups frequently conduct counter- protests to disrupt far-right gatherings and rallies. They often organize in black blocs (ad hoc gatherings of individuals that wear black clothing, ski masks, scarves, sunglasses, and other material to conceal their faces), use improvised explosive devices and other homemade weapons, and resort to vandalism. In addition, Antifa members organize their activities through social media, encrypted peer-to-peer networks, and encrypted messaging services such as Signal.

Antifa groups have been increasingly active in protests and rallies over the past few years, especially ones that include far-right participants.41 In June 2016, for example, Antifa and other protestors confronted a neo-Nazi rally in Sacramento, CA, where at least five people were stabbed. In February, March, and April 2017, Antifa members attacked alt-right demonstrators at the University of California, Berkeley, using bricks, pipes, hammers, and homemade incendiary devices.42 In July 2019, William Van Spronsen, a self-proclaimed Antifa, attempted to bomb the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility in Tacoma, Washington, using a propane tank but was killed by police.43"




I mean they can't even help but bring up the right even when talking about ANTIFA! Detailed and non-partisan my ass.

As far as "out of date" articles, you are a fucking retard as usual. That  "out of date" article proves they were classified as terrorists by government organizations years ago, but you keep pretending it is "out of date" so you don't have to admit you were wrong, and you are willfully and publicly supporting violent murdering terrorists because you agree with their ideology.

Yes, easily thousands of people were injured during these recent riots often minimized as "protest". Many were killed, and yes in fact billions in  property damage was done. Maybe you were too busy sucking the tiny boil covered cock on Marx's rotting corpse to notice all of this.

Its "simply not in reality," but you can't explain why.

The report actually describes Antifa in great detail -- did you not see that part? To hate on an article because it is outdated is also lame. Maybe after 2020 has concluded, the gray line will be above the blue line, who knows:



"Thousands of people injured and some killed"... "billions of dollars of property damage"... do you have a source for these figures or did they just sound right?

As I already said, I'm good with their doing a rewrite to incorporate events since May. In the absence of that, the reports simply not in reality, so there's no reason to attempt to opinionated further. It's really that simple.

Why don't you email them and point out this problem? I'm sure you can agree it's non trivial. Unless you are purposely attempting to trivialize the thousands of people injured and some killed in these riots, and the billions of dollars of property damage. But I didn't get that impression.

You already asked me about this and I already answered that I don't approve of what Antifa does. C'mon man. I know you're back in town to collect some of that sweet Bitvest payout but try to demonstrate a little more reading comprehension.

Tolerate and approve what antifa does just because right wing extremists are worst is not a good reason.

Nobody is "redefining terms" except for you, and none of anything you've said so far changes the fact that right wing extremists kill more people each year than Antifa. It remains incredibly lazy to simply dismiss the report as being communist propaganda because it didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. It's a highly unsophisticated knee-jerk reaction.

Redefining the terms to arrive at a pre determined conclusion is just more of the same propaganda.

But hey, I'll grant you that his report by chance could have been completed and posted in the standard dis-information channels four microseconds before the Antifa violence and destruction commenced. However by now, given what we've all experienced, CSIS should have updated it to align with reality. They have not.

Hence, they are not even in the real world with their report and it truly does not merit rebuttal with research. You're well past historical Pravda level of disinformation here...

I didn't say it had an effect on anything, just that Trump had a point with his intent to designate Antifa as a terrorist group, because that's how they behave. I conceded your point about how no governmental body recognizes Antifa as a terrorist group so obviously there isn't an effect of labeling it as so. But, I can assure you Trump was not the one that convinced me Antifa engages in terrorist behavior, it would be the numerous videos of groups of people all dressed in black that set buildings and debris on fire while assaulting federal law enforcement officers.

No right wing groups have been designated as terror groups because there is no legal context in which to do so, just like with Antifa. That's the point you're missing. Anybody can "label" anybody anything and it doesn't necessarily have an effect on anything. It's just rhetoric, and you bought in to Trump's rhetoric part and parcel.

You guys can argue semantics all day long but at the end of the day the assertion that "Trump has designated Antifa a terrorist organization" remains incorrect.

Not quite. Whataboutism is a failure to acknowledge or condemn the behavior of your side while trying to deflect to others in attempts of justification. Merely uttering the words "what about" isn't whataboutism. My point here was that Nancy Pelosi is, out of spite, making false statements and inadvertently supporting Antifa because of mere fact that Trump's involved. So Nancy Pelosi is certainly doing her job in rallying up her leftist base and throwing logic out the window. You and I agree Nancy Pelosi needs to go, but is it for different reasons? Personally, I don't think a politician should support rioters for partisan purposes and that's why I think she's insufferable. 


I wasn't specifically referring to you when I say the left. I say "left" as a blanket term to capture extremely hard left liberals that believe in radical agenda.



These ring wing extremist groups haven't been labeled because they didn't act in a coordinated fashion like Antifa has. Groups like the "Proud Boys" are right wing nutjobs but do not routinely cause violence so, to my knowledge, they haven't been labeled as a terrorist group. Although there isn't centralized leadership, there is coordination between these groups of people in Portland. That's, in my opinion, the best case to label them as a terrorist organization. They act in unison.


What stereotype are you referring to? I bring this figure up because there's a precedent of labeling groups that damage property as terrorists. Eco-terrorist groups exist and officials commonly use the phrase eco-terrorist to describe them.

What? You just did though.


First of all, the report data ends at the end of May. It doesn't take into account anything that happened in June or July. Second of all, it only takes into account "terrorist attacks and plots by perpetrator organization" -- not ALL "left wing violence." So all the injuries to cops (1800 was your unsourced claim) wouldn't be included unless each one was designated as a "terrorist attack" and the attack was reported as being done by antifa. For the most part I don't think the police record these incidents as falling into either category.

Maybe the data will change in the next report.

For now, you are rejecting it outright as a "fantasy" because it doesn't meet your particular standards which are based on nothing other than your desire to only accept results as true if they reinforce your world view.

I can't have blamed you for "crazy for left violence" because according to your article, there is none.

Please be consistent. Either explain why they consider there to have been no left wing violence in 2020, contrary to everything the media is showing up, simply contrary to the facts.

Or continue to believe your article, in which case there is no violence that you might be accused of.

Repeating. "The problem here isn't mine, it's yours."

Isn't this "whataboutism"? Lol. I don't give a shit about what Nancy Pelosi does or says and I wish she was removed from office just as much as you do. She (and a few others) are the reason why we need term limits in congress.


It depends on who you are defining to be "the left." If that includes me, then I'd say no, it isn't.


That's not what I'm saying. I was preemptively pointing to the prime example that I imagine would be used to make the case that Antifa are terrorists.


What I'm actually saying is these right wing groups which have been behind the majority of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 aren't being labeled "terrorist organizations" for the same reason Antifa isn't.


You keep repeating this as if I'm supposed to cave to your stereotype and take its form.

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Again, you provided no qualitative counterargument and just dismissed a well-researched report as "patent nonsense" because you don't like what it had to say. Instead you basically blamed me for "crazy far left violence", LOL. You want to change longstanding definitions of terms and replace real data with what you "last heard", so that way you don't have to adjust anything about your mindset.  This is very lazy maneuvering.

ISIS style is not the only form of terrorism. For example, there were numerous eco-terrorist groups in the USA in the 1980s and later.

Go ahead and defend them. They are remarkably similar to the Nazi brownshirts, or the instigators of riots who infiltrated "student protest" in the takeover of China by Mao.

We see them for exactly what they are, and your protection of them for exactly what it is.