Topic: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' - page 6. (Read 3247 times)

You think it's a shitty system and you're definitely not alone.

I'm just explaining what it means to be convicted of a crime in America, not saying it's the right or wrong way.

Interesting you never used the phrase "Plea Bargain" there, right? Because that's what both Rosenberg, and Flynn did, isn't it? "Plea Bargain" means do and say what the prosecutors tell you to do and say, and it does not matter if it's a pack of lies.

You've gone to the farthest extent of inferring meaning (of the type you were looking) for in footnotes to footnotes for Flynn, but hey, Rosenberg? Nothing to see there...   they caught her with some fireworks, probably for the 4th of July.

There are two ways to be convicted of a crime.  Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process.  Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped.  Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them.

Michael Flynn pled guilty to the crimes he was charged with.  He also signed a document that detailed the crimes he was admitting to.

Here, I'll show you.  Take special note of what it says right before his signature:












Remember: "Convicted" is just word we use that means someone either pled guilty or was found guilty by trial. 

This is an awful lot of work you went through to not disprove or even contradict the following points I made:


The post you shared remains largely untrue.

No, the highway was blocked off by police in an emergency. That is not the same as the highway being closed. When a highway is closed, its closed, ie physically inaccessible not just legally off limits. One is an emergency action done on short notice, the other is a semi-permanent state. Highways are for driving. The idea we are even discussing the merits of running around on highways at night, blocking off highways risking driver's lives, or any of the other violent conflict that inevitably results from such reckless actions is asinine. All you are doing is advocating for death and more people getting shot, run over, or otherwise beat, maimed and killed. Your hive mind ideology is so important to you that you are willing to support behavior that results in this rather than just admit your woke cult is not so woke.



Ad hominem. Base refutation without substantiation or support.

Yes lets break it down.

(1) "convicted terrorist"
(2) "she sits on the Board of Directors"
(3) "fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter"
(4) "She was convicted for..."

Are any of these numbered references not factual?


(1) (2) (3) (4) "Rosenberg was also identified as a member of the Thousand Currents board of directors in the charity’s Form 990s submitted to the IRS for its 2016, 2017 and 2018 fiscal years, indicating that the former terrorist has been involved with the group for the entirety of its fiscal sponsorship arrangement with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which began in 2016."

https://www.westernjournal.com/convicted-terrorist-released-bill-clinton-now-sits-board-blms-fundraising-organization/



(2) "As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


"Thousand Currents

Oakland, California, United States

Enhance local and place-specific interventions to address issues impacting the lives of Black community members, families and children by building the infrastructure and capacity of the national #BlackLivesMatter to support and strengthen their local chapters’ organizing capacity

June 1, 2016 - May 31, 2019"

https://www.wkkf.org/grants/grant/2016/06/black-lives-matter-p3034683



(2) "Susan Rosenberg
Human and Prisoner Rights Advocate and Writer
Thousand Currents Vice Chair of the Board of Directors"

https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/



(2)(4) "Exposing Black Lives Matter's ties to convicted domestic terrorist
... Susan Rosenberg sits on the board of a non-profit that is tied to Black Lives Matter's fundraising operations; reaction from former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/exposing-black-lives-matters-ties-to-convicted-domestic-terrorist/vp-BB16vq1O


(3) "In 2016, BLM Global Network approached Thousand Currents to create a fiscal sponsorship agreement. Thousand Currents, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt nonprofit organization, provides the legal and administrative framework to enable BLM to fulfill its mission. Fiscal sponsorship is a common structure utilized by nonprofit organizations. Oftentimes, nonprofit initiatives seek fiscal sponsorship to be able to have the fiscal sponsor handle administrative operations while the organization focuses on its programs and builds up its own organizational infrastructure. In this capacity, we provide administrative and back office support, including finance, accounting, grants management, insurance, human resources, legal and compliance. Donations to BLM are received as restricted donations to support the activities of BLM."

https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/



(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
But at the time, Ms. Rosenberg was also wanted for fleeing while under indictment for charges that included federal racketeering and bank robbery.
The indictment covered the Oct. 20, 1981, attack on the Brink's truck by a band of people that included members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. The security guard was killed in the Nanuet Mall, and the two police officers were killed in a roadblock shootout. The robbers took $1.6 million. Federal investigations later showed that Ms. Rosenberg lived for a year in New Haven with Marilyn Jean Buck, the driver of the getaway car.
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison. The length of the sentence gave Rudolph W. Giuliani, then the United States attorney, reason to drop the charges in the Brink's robbery. Ms. Rosenberg objected at the time, but to no avail."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html

But...
Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24]

Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12]

Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining.

I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch.

And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies!

Your disconnect from reality seems to have kicked up into the next gear.


You're definitely the one who shared it. Let's break it down:

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

This highway was explicitly closed.

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.




She is in fact a convicted felon. She was convicted of having several hundred pounds of explosives. Again, with no tenable defense of all these facts, you can only resort is to try to distract from that conviction by sliding the topic to the other charges. Hey TwattySqueal, speaking of being wrong, what state is Minneapolis in? Also how does it feel to be defending murderers and terrorists? Do you ever stop and ask yourself "Are we the baddies?"

I'm saying the government dropped the bombing charges, therefor she wasn't convicted.

It's ok to admit you're wrong.  If you ever decide to give it a shot, I promise I'll just move on.  Won't bring it up again and talk about all the time.  Won't troll you.  Won't think less of you. It's a totally normal thing for a person to do, we all make mistakes.

The weird thing about this is I literally said none of it. I was merely pointing out that the "facts" stated in the post you shared were incorrect.

[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.



That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon. Everything I said about her is true and I provided multiple sources for each part of the claim. Don't pretend you care about the truth as you use it as a shiny object to distract from the felony conviction. I don't need to prove that, I already proved she is a convicted felon caught with large amounts of explosives.

You two are desperate to distract from this fact aren't you? I wonder what you would say if even the "MAGA Bomber", a man who injured no one, nor intended too, was fundraising for Donald Trump? Might your heads explode with the collective reverberations of the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing?

Obviously she's guilty - no need to get all upset and assume I'm 'defending' her.  

You're the one spreading misinformation about her, not me.  Now she can point out the lies that are spreading and maybe convince some people that the truth about her is also a lie.  The truth is always the right side to be on.


Ok well prove the 1990 NYTimes article wrong then. And no, the possession of explosives charges were separate from the bombing charges that the government dropped.

The bombing charges were dropped, contrary to what was stated in the post you shared.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/06/us/3-radicals-agree-to-plead-guilty-in-bombing-case.htm


Also, Thousand Currents isn't the "fundraising arm" of BLM. So, the post you shared remains wholly incorrect.

You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists. The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

 "Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners' rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization ("M19CO"), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report "openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence".[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink's robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001[5], his final day in office.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg



"In 2016, representatives of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement approached Thousand Currents for fiscal management and administrative assistance. [26] This partnership led to a fiscal sponsorship agreement that launched the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. [27] The W.K. Kellogg Foundation provided a three-year grant of $900,000 thorough Thousand Currents to help organize local BLM chapters. [28] [29]

...

Thousand Currents reported $3,354,654 and $2,622,017 in donor-restricted assets for the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation in audits covering fiscal year 2019[31] and 2018,[32] respectively. These audits also showed that 83.3 percent of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation total expenditures were for personnel, consultant, and travel costs during the three year period from 2017-2019.[33] About 6 percent of expenditures were in the form of grants to outside organizations, including to local Black Lives Matter chapters.[34]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/



"As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


As you can see they directly provide funding for BLM, and that money is being laundered through various PACs, Super PACS, and 501 C3 tax exempt organizations into the Democrat campaign. There is no denying BLM is a political group.



"BLM Co-Founder Appears To Violate IRS Laws On CNN"

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/26/blm-co-founder-appears-to-violate-irs-laws-on-cnn/

Too many words in those links.  I'll help.

A quick fact check:

Susan Rosenberg wasn't convicted for any bombings. She was convicted of possessing more than 600 pounds of explosives in 1984. The bombing charges were dropped against her in 1990. She served 16 years of a 58-year prison sentence.

Also, she doesn't sit on the BLM's "fundraising arm" board of directors. She is the Vice Chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, "a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

https://thousandcurrents.org/blacklivesmatter-we-will-not-be-intimidated-into-silence/

I didn't carefully edit anything. Those are my words.

I'm also not defending the protesters.  Protesting in the middle of the highway is retarded.

If your reckless driving kills someone, you've committed vehicular homicide/manslaughter/or whatever the label is in that state.  It doesn't matter who you killed or what they were doing.  Basic critical thinking skills here.

I like how you carefully edit out the part where the "protestors" are reckless and in the act of committing a crime. Yes, that is EXACTLY what it is like. Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed. What difference does a high rate of speed make you might ask?

It means increased braking distance. Which means if you park several dark vehicles across a highway, around the end of a curve further reducing vision, in the middle of the night, all dressed in black, while being in a place you are not expected to be, you create a very clear risk of injury or death of not only yourself, but other drivers. They just happened to be the ones to die this time.

The embarrassment of admitting this and the other "protests" have gone too far is too much for the woke cultural revolutionary soy ninja LAARPers and their supporters to admit. Instead they choose to ruin this black man's life in the name of black lives and continue to endanger other people and themselves. The injured parties are 187% responsible for these events. You know what all of this is called? Mental illness.

On another note:

I started to go back and look at a video which shows the protesters were screaming "Car! Car! at least 15 seconds before the guy was hit, then realized...

The real story here is how we seem to have video and audio of most every part, or many parts, of most public events such as these. That's a radical change, and of course going forward it will only get more and more exact and complete.