Trust system abuse / DT2 member Vod is provably dishonestly rating people - page 11.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 20, 2018, 01:57:03 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 20, 2018, 01:52:56 PM

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on edonkey where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ognasty-abuse-of-rank-to-ruin-accounts-in-good-standing-2337754

Comments like this are why nobody takes your opinion seriously and why I immediately added you to my exclusion list a long time ago.

I don't really care that much if you take my opinion seriously or not.

Did you send that message? It's a fairly simple question relevant to your dispute with owlcatz.

And - immediately? Immediately after what? Immediately after I posted the counter-rating for owlcatz?

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 01:37:46 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on June 20, 2018, 01:28:36 PM

Then they don't belong in DT. Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

I've traded with owlcatz and found him trustworthy to do trades with. As you can see, my rating towards owlcatz is from 2016 (when I traded with him). Owlcatz' trust feedback towards you (and from you to him) have happened in the last 6 months if I see it right. I've not been following what happened there, so I'm not familiar with the case that resulted in those ratings. OgNasty, do you have any suggestions? How to improve DT system?

You highlighted a big reason why the DT system is struggling. You had no issue removing your trust for me in spite of all that I've done for users of this forum (safeguarding literally tens of thousands of BTC), but owlcatz is trustworthy? I've seen other DT members use this same tired excuse for why they continue to trust individuals who clearly don't deserve it. Maybe you should start by looking at your own ratings instead of trying to overhaul the system. Change starts in the mirror.

Quote from: suchmoon on June 20, 2018, 01:52:56 PM

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on edonkey where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ognasty-abuse-of-rank-to-ruin-accounts-in-good-standing-2337754

Comments like this are why nobody takes your opinion seriously and why I immediately added you to my exclusion list a long time ago.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 20, 2018, 01:28:36 PM

Then they don't belong in DT. Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

Very nice of you to show up in a thread titled "Trust system abuse".

Did you send this message: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32677479

Or how about your petty trust rating on eoakland where you've been proven wrong quite comprehensively? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ognasty-abuse-of-rank-to-ruin-accounts-in-good-standing-2337754

Vod

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Quote from: Quickseller on June 20, 2018, 01:33:01 PM

It is pointless to attempt to have a discussion with vod especially about this. Contact those who put vod on their trust list.

I would not even take what he says seriously.

This from a narcissist. Rules and morality don't apply to you. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 20, 2018, 01:28:36 PM

Then they don't belong in DT. Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

I've traded with owlcatz and found him trustworthy to do trades with. As you can see, my rating towards owlcatz is from 2016 (when I traded with him). Owlcatz' trust feedback towards you (and from you to him) have happened in the last 6 months if I see it right. I've not been following what happened there, so I'm not familiar with the case that resulted in those ratings. OgNasty, do you have any suggestions? How to improve DT system?

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It is pointless to attempt to have a discussion with vod especially about this. Contact those who put vod on their trust list.

I would not even take what he says seriously.

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 20, 2018, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Current(ly) DT members are largely afraid to do anything -- and I've heard this from several people who are either on DT

Did actual DT (DT1 or DT2) members tell you that or did you make that up?

I don't make stuff up.
People are not willing to do anything, because of the consequences that will likely come to them. You should know, too, as it has happened before. It's not a secret how these things are. You can ask people yourself, or use search.

Then they don't belong in DT. Although if you look at the trust feedback that accounts like owlcatz have left me (actual trust system abuse by a user account you Anduck have added trust to) I can see why they'd be afraid to stand up against the troublemakers around here and those who support them.

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Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 01:01:29 PM

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 12:57:45 PM

Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM

Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating. If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

I answered you immediately after your "ah, until this point" message. Why are you even trying to lie about this? ...
You blocked me after my reply. You ended our private communications by not responding to me and by blocking me.

Fine. Around a week later, with just one immediate answer from him and nothing further, I changed my rating.

A distinction without a difference.

Stop twisting my words to make things up.

Where have I twisted your words? What have I made up?

You claim something to be true that turns out to be provably false, get caught, and you still have the balls to go and insult me. You're wrong, and your ego (I guess) is too big for you to admit it. Same thing (I guess) with your ratings.
Similar thing happened earlier with that fake quote you made up, and after acknowledging it being a fake, you claimed someone else faked it while everyone could see that it was you. (You manually edited the quote to be from me. Nobody else -- only you.)

Now stop derailing and try to back up your dishonest & derogatory claims about me.

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 12:57:45 PM

Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM

Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating. If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

I answered you immediately after your "ah, until this point" message. Why are you even trying to lie about this? ...
You blocked me after my reply. You ended our private communications by not responding to me and by blocking me.

Fine. Around a week later, with just one immediate answer from him and nothing further, I changed my rating.

A distinction without a difference.

Stop twisting my words to make things up.

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Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM

Quote from: pugman on June 20, 2018, 10:27:49 AM

Vod do answer this: Why did you change your feeback to Anduck from neutral to negative, is it because Anduck said he doesn't trust you, so you wanted to change it?

Anduck lies. :/

How? Where?

Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM

Read the PMs again. Notice where I type "ah, until this point'? That is when I lost trust for him.

Don't you "distrust" me because I "scammed an auction" and "admitted to lying in PM" -- like your ratings towards me state?
Here are the private messages.
Would you want to tell us why you lost trust for me exactly?

Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 12:49:35 PM

Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating. If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

I answered you immediately after your "ah, until this point" message. Why are you even trying to lie about this? ...
You blocked me after my reply. You ended our private communications by not responding to me and by blocking me.

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 12:39:37 PM

1) Where do I scam?
2) Where do I lie?
3) Where do I harass you?
4) What issues have I made up?

In your mind, you have done no wrong. That is why criminals do not haul themselves to jail.

Quote from: pugman on June 20, 2018, 10:27:49 AM

Vod do answer this: Why did you change your feeback to Anduck from neutral to negative, is it because Anduck said he doesn't trust you, so you wanted to change it?

Anduck lies. :/

Read the PMs again. Notice where I type "ah, until this point'? That is when I lost trust for him. Around a week later, with no further communication from him, I changed my rating. If you choose a scammer's interpretation of those words over mine, then you will believe him over me.

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Quote from: Vod on June 20, 2018, 12:35:54 PM

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Thread is about to get derailed again.

This thread is about trust abuse.

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

I don't make stuff up.

You've made up several issues about me in this harassment campaign alone. i think you are lying, again.

1) Where do I scam?
2) Where do I lie?
3) Where do I harass you?
4) What issues have I made up?

You've not provided sources, proofs, evidence or quotes -- simply nothing. Your dishonesty is documented in this thread, and in the linked threads.

Previously, you asked me to ask you questions. I asked. You did not answer to them. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39447493

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Thread is about to get derailed again.

This thread is about trust abuse.

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

I don't make stuff up.

You've made up several issues about me in this harassment campaign alone. i think you are lying, again.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 19, 2018, 10:06:47 PM

That's a semi-fair point, but obviously you have a bit of bias. I don't state that I do not trust you though, just that I think your trust rating specifically on Anduck is poor.

Anyone else (not digaran) want to give an opinion on this?

Sup. You must have missed it.

Quote from: actmyname on June 15, 2018, 11:11:31 AM

Quote from: digaran on June 15, 2018, 05:17:36 AM

I bet we'll have another DT2 member suddenly seeing this topic and he/she would jump in to tag Anduck for something from the past and other DT members would also jump in to tag each other right, left and center and they would praise each other to say wow, what a trustworthy person you are, here some fake green trust for you.

Just on this: it's a very presumptuous accusation when you assume that people are doing this for positive trust. In fact, DarkStar_ has not received positive trust for their actions. And in my opinion, that's actually feedback which I disagree with. The trust I gave cancelled out Vod's trust, end of story. Any further positive trust should be held with the same value as if there were no negative in the first place, thus invalidating its quality as a "counter-rating".

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on June 20, 2018, 11:34:15 AM

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

Do you think that he red-rated me, because I didn't change my rating? If you think that's not the reason, why do you think he red-rated me?

13 pages of the thread, either you should have gotten the answer or you are just not digesting it. Either way, what I think doesn't really matter since feedback's are subjective and I can't tell Vod whom to trust.

My questions were directed at you specifically. To me, it looks like you don't comprehend what's going on. That's why I am asking. I'm only interested. Feel free to ignore my question if you don't want to answer.

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Quote from: pugman on June 20, 2018, 10:44:59 AM

Had that been the case, I don't think actmyname and DarkStar_ would have countered it(,unless you think actmyname and DarkStar_ are Anduck's alts and actmyname and DarkStar_ are also chipmixer shills, well....Digaran......)

Regardless, according to my trust settings both their feedback appear as untrusted so the counter part din't really had any effect.

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

Do you think that he red-rated me, because I didn't change my rating? If you think that's not the reason, why do you think he red-rated me?

13 pages of the thread, either you should have gotten the answer or you are just not digesting it. Either way, what I think doesn't really matter since feedback's are subjective and I can't tell Vod whom to trust.

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 20, 2018, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Current(ly) DT members are largely afraid to do anything -- and I've heard this from several people who are either on DT

Did actual DT (DT1 or DT2) members tell you that or did you make that up?

I don't make stuff up.
People are not willing to do anything, because of the consequences that will likely come to them. You should know, too, as it has happened before. It's not a secret how these things are. You can ask people yourself, or use search.

You're the one making the claim. What would I be searching for if I don't even know it exists? So do you have a link or at least a screenshot of a private conversation (feel free to remove names) where "several" DT1 or DT2 members told you that they're "afraid to do anything" with regards to your dispute with Vod?

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on June 20, 2018, 10:34:34 AM

Quote from: pugman on June 20, 2018, 10:27:49 AM

Vod does seem to have left retaliatory feedback and the PM conversation is definitely not helping Vod's side. I had asked Vod a question a few days ago but it was buried, thanks digaran, so Vod do answer this: Why did you change your feeback to Anduck from neutral to negative, is it because Anduck said he doesn't trust you, so you wanted to change it?

Because he can? I'm not speaking on his behalf but I don't think he exactly owes you an explanation for that question. I used to trust a person somewhat and I don't feel like trusting him anymore, I can always change my feedback from neutral to negative? It's completely fine to do that provided a valid reason is tagged along with it.(which seems to be the case here)

Do you think that he red-rated me, because I didn't change my rating? If you think that's not the reason, why do you think he red-rated me?

6:15 PM: "I decided what you did wasn't untrustworthy"
11:26 PM: Opinion changed 100% after I didn't bend to his threat, following a red rating few days later stating that I'm a scammer and a liar.

What do you think, why did Vod's opinion about me being trustworthy change completely during these ~5 hours? (Note: His threatening/blackmailing and my refusal happened during these hours.)

Quote from: suchmoon on June 20, 2018, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Current(ly) DT members are largely afraid to do anything -- and I've heard this from several people who are either on DT

Did actual DT (DT1 or DT2) members tell you that or did you make that up?

I don't make stuff up.
People are not willing to do anything, because of the consequences that will likely come to them. You should know, too, as it has happened before. It's not a secret how these things are. You can ask people yourself, or use search.

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Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Current(ly) DT members are largely afraid to do anything -- and I've heard this from several people who are either on DT

Did actual DT (DT1 or DT2) members tell you that or did you make that up?

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on June 20, 2018, 10:34:34 AM

Because he can? I'm not speaking on his behalf but I don't think he exactly owes you an explanation for that question. I used to trust a person somewhat and I don't feel like trusting him anymore, I can always change my feedback from neutral to negative? It's completely fine to do that provided a valid reason is tagged along with it.(which seems to be the case here)

Had that been the case, I don't think actmyname and DarkStar_ would have countered it(,unless you think actmyname and DarkStar_ are Anduck's alts and actmyname and DarkStar_ are also chipmixer shills, well....Digaran......) But that wasn't the case, read this:

Quote from: Anduck on June 20, 2018, 10:32:42 AM

Also reminding you of this, as some people seem to skip over it: Vod asked me to change my rating, threatening to otherwise red-rate me. I refused. He rated me red. He also started claiming I'm a scammer and a liar, when I'm provably neither. His ratings to me are absolutely dishonest -- not just "poor". Why are some people still thinking his ratings have something to do with some >2yr old auction, that Vod earlier commented by saying "I decided what you did wasn't untrustworthy"?

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