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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 07, 2023, 01:10:08 AM

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I believe announcing the Fury-Usyk fight in Saudi adds more hype to this fight. If they want more hype, Bob Arum should've tried to put a Mexican or a Latino in the undercard to cater to their huge boxing community.

The Saudis don't have much experience in promoting major boxing events. They are more familiar with entertainment. This fight is being marketed more for a casual audience than die hard boxing fans. That's why they made it part of the Riyadh Season festival. The card might not be the most appealing but people will still watch it for the same reasons they watch Jake Paul fights.

Yes, and that's why promoters like Bob Arum's Top Rank and Eddie Hearn's Match Room are in the desert promoting those events in Middle East or specifically Saudi Arabia. Because there's a lot of money out there obviously and saw this boxing promoters have somewhat 'exploited' the riches of that country.

So still a win win for us boxing fans, regardless for the Saudi's that this is just entertainment for them because they have a lot of money to burn and just why not boxing for their population?

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 06, 2023, 01:28:07 PM

I believe announcing the Fury-Usyk fight in Saudi adds more hype to this fight. If they want more hype, Bob Arum should've tried to put a Mexican or a Latino in the undercard to cater to their huge boxing community.

The Saudis don't have much experience in promoting major boxing events. They are more familiar with entertainment. This fight is being marketed more for a casual audience than die hard boxing fans. That's why they made it part of the Riyadh Season festival. The card might not be the most appealing but people will still watch it for the same reasons they watch Jake Paul fights.

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Ngannou is an easy fight. Earlier it was said that Ngannou would have a tune-up in boxing but it didn't happen. Probably because he might lose or he may look bad it could damage his market. I doubt he can beat any of the top 50 in the heavyweights. All they do is stay away from him in the early rounds and jab him to death. Ngannou is not young, he is inactive, and those heavy arms will tire him after 3 or 4 rounds.

I believe announcing the Fury-Usyk fight in Saudi adds more hype to this fight. If they want more hype, Bob Arum should've tried to put a Mexican or a Latino in the undercard to cater to their huge boxing community.

Quote from: JollyGood on October 06, 2023, 07:51:18 AM

There does not seem to be hype surrounding the fight as it should have been. Is it because Wilder was a bigger proposition that people could not stop talking about the trilogy for a long time? Or is it because Ngannou is deemed to be an easy fight because he is not really a professional boxer. If they added bigger names to the undercard, would the hype have been bigger.

This fight does not seem to have the same feel as Fury fighting Wilder (or a potential future bout with Usyk). At the beginning of the announcement of the Ngannou fight there was interest across the media but that subsided.

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 05, 2023, 12:36:55 PM

The undercard is actually pretty good. Much better than most and the all heavyweight card adds a little extra meat to it.

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Ngannou is no one to the boxing community. If anything, this fight is to be considered by them as an exhibition of retired boxers and there is no real belt.

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^ Most probably. Fury disappointed many of his fans because of the decision to fight a none boxer, he prioritized Ngannou instead of Usyk who had been tailing him for a while. Most boxing fans see the fight to be an unnecessary exhibition the fact it's a 10-round fight with no title on the line. If not for the Arab initiative, this will not happen.

If Ngannou is just willing to make trash talks and the language barrier is not a problem, they may not really need more outside factors to make noise.

I don't think Fury would dodge a champ. He's got Usyk lined up after this bout, so hang tight, man, that time's coming. Fury's just out there living his life, savoring what he's achieved. He's the top dog in the heavyweight division, no doubt. Fury's not scared of anyone; he even took down Wilder when he was the kingpin. So, Usyk better keep an eye out because he's likely next in line, but let's wait for this fight to play out.

Well, WBC has to introduce Ngannou in order to light up their HW while Usyk reigns on WBO, WBA, and IBF. Usyk unified these 3 and it is just WBC is missing, the fans see Fury is not willing to give that up til this recent announcement so his time is ticking. We'll see what will happen. I just have the feeling that he will make an excuse not to fight Usyk later.

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There does not seem to be hype surrounding the fight as it should have been. Is it because Wilder was a bigger proposition that people could not stop talking about the trilogy for a long time? Or is it because Ngannou is deemed to be an easy fight because he is not really a professional boxer. If they added bigger names to the undercard, would the hype have been bigger.

This fight does not seem to have the same feel as Fury fighting Wilder (or a potential future bout with Usyk). At the beginning of the announcement of the Ngannou fight there was interest across the media but that subsided.

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 05, 2023, 12:36:55 PM

The undercard is actually pretty good. Much better than most and the all heavyweight card adds a little extra meat to it.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 05, 2023, 02:20:05 PM

^ Most probably. Fury disappointed many of his fans because of the decision to fight a none boxer, he prioritized Ngannou instead of Usyk who had been tailing him for a while. Most boxing fans see the fight to be an unnecessary exhibition the fact it's a 10-round fight with no title on the line. If not for the Arab initiative, this will not happen.

If Ngannou is just willing to make trash talks and the language barrier is not a problem, they may not really need more outside factors to make noise.

I don't think Fury would dodge a champ. He's got Usyk lined up after this bout, so hang tight, man, that time's coming. Fury's just out there living his life, savoring what he's achieved. He's the top dog in the heavyweight division, no doubt. Fury's not scared of anyone; he even took down Wilder when he was the kingpin. So, Usyk better keep an eye out because he's likely next in line, but let's wait for this fight to play out.

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Only it seems to me that this fight finally became meaningless after information appeared about the Usyk-Fury fight at the end of December 2023 or January 2024? For some reason, it seems to me that all boxing fans are now worried about Fury not getting some kind of injury during this fight so that we can finally see the most important fight of recent years.

On the part of Tyson Fury? this fight is not going to be meaningless, I mean he can used this one as a tune up fight for his upcoming unification class with Usyk. ~

No, I mean from a boxing fan's point of view. It's one thing to watch a circus fight when there is nothing else, then Ok, why not. But when you know that in 2-3 months there will be a fight that everyone has been waiting for for several years (I think this can be said because unification fights do not happen so often), then there is no special desire to watch a circus fight.
Ngannou doesn’t have many chances, but he does have them. How ironic it would be if he wins or Fury gets injured that ruins the next fight.

Oh Ok, pardon me, yeah I get your point, as boxing fans, we really don't like to see mismatches, we wanted to witnessed a great fight, toe to toe and not something like a pro fight hiding like in the guise of exhibitions and maybe the Fury vs Ngannou is one of them. And with that, boxing fans knows that the chance of Francis is very slim. And as per the latest odds, Ngannou is a huge 6:1 underdog.

For the Heavyweight division? yeah, it seldom happens to see a unification fight, and not sure when is the last unification fight in Heavyweight, it could have been decades already and I will assume that Mike Tyson is the last Heavyweight champion to do that, or maybe Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield, late 80's-early 90's era. Although recently we have champions in modern era unifying it like Crawford, 140 and 147 lbs, and then Inoue at Bantamweight, 118 lbs and most likely at Super Bantamweight at 122 lbs.

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^ Most probably. Fury disappointed many of his fans because of the decision to fight a none boxer, he prioritized Ngannou instead of Usyk who had been tailing him for a while. Most boxing fans see the fight to be an unnecessary exhibition the fact it's a 10-round fight with no title on the line. If not for the Arab initiative, this will not happen.

If Ngannou is just willing to make trash talks and the language barrier is not a problem, they may not really need more outside factors to make noise.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 28, 2023, 12:08:31 AM

Quote from: bittraffic on September 27, 2023, 08:41:24 PM

It must be true that Ngannou is the heaviest hitter in UFC thats why its unfortunate to see that if he wins against Fury, Ngannou won't get a belt. So the reason the Ryiad WBC created a belt specially for this fight lol

This is somewhat funny https://bloodyelbow.com/2023/09/09/francis-ngannou-vs-tyson-fury-wbc-belt/

The article didn't say a belt name but they may comeup with something the same as BMF.

The WBC always manages to insert themselves into these high profile events by creating special belts. I'm not sure if they're trying to milk these fighters for some sanctioning fees or if it's some sort of publicity stunt.

I've seen some footage of Ngannou training and he is in great shape and he seems really motivated. Even though money was his primary reason for challenging Fury I don't think it's the only reason. He wants to prove that he is taking this seriously and I expect him to have a much better performance than MMA fighters like Ben Askren and Nate Diaz who barely even bothered to train.

The WBC take 3% of the money so they're always desperate to get involved in anything. I'm pretty sure they'll come up with a belt as well like they usually do. The fight is being billed as The Baddest Man on the Planet so they'll probably do something with that.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 05, 2023, 10:09:00 AM

It seems the hype surrounding this fight has not subsided but for some reason I just do not think it is as big as it was when it was first announced. There is no disrespect intended to Fury or Ngannou but when it was announced I was eager to watch, I still want to watch the fight when it takes place but that is still another 24 days away.

Anything related to the fight is hardly making rounds in the news either. Maybe the hype in the media will pick up again when there are just a few days before the event.

Maybe because the undercards are not so popular. Only Fury and Ngannou are pretty much known. There are a few like Artin Bakole and Makhmudov but basically, all are HW fights yet but there are also unconfirmed.

The undercard is actually pretty good. Much better than most and the all heavyweight card adds a little extra meat to it.

Quote from: bittraffic on October 05, 2023, 10:46:08 AM

Very unpro that they announced Usyk vs. Fury while there's yet an upcoming event for Fury. The announcement could just be for the purpose of hyping this Fury vs Ngannou fight and there never really is an intention to make it happen. Fury is afraid of Usyk, that is why he accepted to fight Ngannou but he's in for a surprise.

I think it was done to try drum up some more interest for the fight and get a lot of Tyson's fanbase back on board. Pretty much 99% of Tyson's own fanbase aren't happy that he's been ducking Usyk and taking what they see as an easy exhibition fight just for the money. At least this announcement simmers down the hate. I'm going to laugh so hard though if Ngannou sends him into the shadow realm and to be honest I think Tyson is due a humbling and if not by Francis then maybe Usyk will do it next.

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If certainly would have had an impact on the hype if the names on the undercard were famous or popular fighters, that does not seem to be the case here. They should have had a bigger undercard. After this drama is over and I think Fury will be doing himself a complete injustice if he does not get in the ring to fight Usyk with the prize on the line being all of the heavyweight titles. Usky will also regret it if the fight does not go ahead. The public want it therefore a solution should be found. That fight would not need a big undercard.

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Maybe because the undercards are not so popular. Only Fury and Ngannou are pretty much known. There are a few like Artin Bakole and Makhmudov but basically, all are HW fights yet but there are also unconfirmed.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 05, 2023, 09:20:06 AM

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Only it seems to me that this fight finally became meaningless after information appeared about the Usyk-Fury fight at the end of December 2023 or January 2024? For some reason, it seems to me that all boxing fans are now worried about Fury not getting some kind of injury during this fight so that we can finally see the most important fight of recent years.

On the part of Tyson Fury? this fight is not going to be meaningless, I mean he can used this one as a tune up fight for his upcoming unification class with Usyk. ~

No, I mean from a boxing fan's point of view. It's one thing to watch a circus fight when there is nothing else, then Ok, why not. But when you know that in 2-3 months there will be a fight that everyone has been waiting for for several years (I think this can be said because unification fights do not happen so often), then there is no special desire to watch a circus fight.
Ngannou doesn’t have many chances, but he does have them. How ironic it would be if he wins or Fury gets injured that ruins the next fight.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 05, 2023, 10:09:00 AM

It seems the hype surrounding this fight has not subsided but for some reason I just do not think it is as big as it was when it was first announced. There is no disrespect intended to Fury or Ngannou but when it was announced I was eager to watch, I still want to watch the fight when it takes place but that is still another 24 days away.

Anything related to the fight is hardly making rounds in the news either. Maybe the hype in the media will pick up again when there are just a few days before the event.

Maybe because the undercards are not so popular. Only Fury and Ngannou are pretty much known. There are a few like Artin Bakole and Makhmudov but basically, all are HW fights yet but there are also unconfirmed.

Very unpro that they announced Usyk vs. Fury while there's yet an upcoming event for Fury. The announcement could just be for the purpose of hyping this Fury vs Ngannou fight and there never really is an intention to make it happen. Fury is afraid of Usyk, that is why he accepted to fight Ngannou but he's in for a surprise.

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It seems the hype surrounding this fight has not subsided but for some reason I just do not think it is as big as it was when it was first announced. There is no disrespect intended to Fury or Ngannou but when it was announced I was eager to watch, I still want to watch the fight when it takes place but that is still another 24 days away.

Anything related to the fight is hardly making rounds in the news either. Maybe the hype in the media will pick up again when there are just a few days before the event.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 05, 2023, 08:59:19 AM

Only it seems to me that this fight finally became meaningless after information appeared about the Usyk-Fury fight at the end of December 2023 or January 2024? For some reason, it seems to me that all boxing fans are now worried about Fury not getting some kind of injury during this fight so that we can finally see the most important fight of recent years.

On the part of Tyson Fury? this fight is not going to be meaningless, I mean he can used this one as a tune up fight for his upcoming unification class with Usyk. At least a stay busy fight and he will have a good workout against Francis, he will test his chin against the power of Francis Ngannou. But the most important thing is that Fury should win this fight so that he the fight is not going to be derailed against Usyk. And for the part of Francis Ngannou, definitely, he wanted to give Fury all he can handle and then some and see if he can withstand his power. And even if he is trained by Mike Tyson, it might take years for Francis Ngannou to have that experienced to be a full pledge boxer. No doubt that the power is there, but if he doesn't know how to execute it against Fury, he might ran out of gas in the middle rounds. So it's not only the form, and maybe we can see that peek-a-boo style of Tyson early in the fight, but I don't think that it will be a effective strategy as Francis is tall and big. It's effective for Mike Tyson, because of his frame and he was very quick during his prime and he can really go that low and then crushed his opponent.

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Only it seems to me that this fight finally became meaningless after information appeared about the Usyk-Fury fight at the end of December 2023 or January 2024? For some reason, it seems to me that all boxing fans are now worried about Fury not getting some kind of injury during this fight so that we can finally see the most important fight of recent years.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 28, 2023, 12:55:14 AM

Similar to what I have said before already, this will be the physical appearance of the man who will knockout the Predator Ngannou and put him on a stretcher to be pulled by Mike Tyson going to the hospital hehehe. I cannot support an MMA fighter to win against the best in boxing after witnessing Conor vs. Floyd. The feeling as a fan after watching the fight was similar to an ICO scam. The Gypsy King vs. The Predator will also be a similar feeling.

Fury’s appearance should not be misleading, he has absolutely no complexes about this, and it seems that this did not bother him in the ring. Visually, he appears to have gained a little extra weight, which could possibly affect his speed in the ring, but Ngannou is also a fairly heavy fighter.

You are exaggerating about the stretcher, Ngannou has received very strong blows, but the fact is that this is a completely different type of martial arts than he is used to, and in this case Fury will have an advantage. As was initially discussed, it will be more like a show than a fight, of course I don’t rule out that they could do something similar to what Fury did with Wilder, but there really was a butchery there, I don’t know if Ngannou is capable of this.

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WBC needs to have a cause for this fight to happen and a made-up belt like BMF will justify it while they are not willing to put Fury's belt on the line.
Ngannou is paid more than what he could earn in UFC, he should be motivated. Ngannou will stay in boxing for a while even if he loses this fight though. Now that belt will be challenged as well so I think they need to also create a new weight class.

I'm more interested in Dana's reaction to the belt.

This is not a regular fight therefore a new wieght class shouldn’t be introduced including the belt since Ngannou record is not for boxing and it’s unfair to other boxer that slowly climb the rank ladder just to challenge the champion. Ngannou is champion but on different sports. This kind of match shouldn’t be treat as official match with such special belt while 2 player is surely just aiming for the money since we all know that exhibition match like this is now more being sold quickly than the regular matches.

Commenting on the fight. I think Tyson thick fat will be resonate once he took a direct hit from Ngannou.

I also don't think that a new weight class should be introduced, although there have been numerous calls about it, but I guess the organizations are fine with the Heavyweight division. Cruiserweight limit is 200 lbs, and above that, it could only be Heavyweight.

As for his thick fat belly, lol, it could help him absorb that punches from Francis. But we will have to see first if Francis can land that one big shot against Fury as we all know that Fury has a good defense too.

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 28, 2023, 10:41:42 AM

WBC needs to have a cause for this fight to happen and a made-up belt like BMF will justify it while they are not willing to put Fury's belt on the line.
Ngannou is paid more than what he could earn in UFC, he should be motivated. Ngannou will stay in boxing for a while even if he loses this fight though. Now that belt will be challenged as well so I think they need to also create a new weight class.

I'm more interested in Dana's reaction to the belt.

This is not a regular fight therefore a new wieght class shouldn’t be introduced including the belt since Ngannou record is not for boxing and it’s unfair to other boxer that slowly climb the rank ladder just to challenge the champion. Ngannou is champion but on different sports. This kind of match shouldn’t be treat as official match with such special belt while 2 player is surely just aiming for the money since we all know that exhibition match like this is now more being sold quickly than the regular matches.

Commenting on the fight. I think Tyson thick fat will be resonate once he took a direct hit from Ngannou.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 28, 2023, 12:08:31 AM

Quote from: bittraffic on September 27, 2023, 08:41:24 PM

It must be true that Ngannou is the heaviest hitter in UFC thats why its unfortunate to see that if he wins against Fury, Ngannou won't get a belt. So the reason the Ryiad WBC created a belt specially for this fight lol

This is somewhat funny https://bloodyelbow.com/2023/09/09/francis-ngannou-vs-tyson-fury-wbc-belt/

The article didn't say a belt name but they may comeup with something the same as BMF.

The WBC always manages to insert themselves into these high profile events by creating special belts. I'm not sure if they're trying to milk these fighters for some sanctioning fees or if it's some sort of publicity stunt.

I've seen some footage of Ngannou training and he is in great shape and he seems really motivated. Even though money was his primary reason for challenging Fury I don't think it's the only reason. He wants to prove that he is taking this seriously and I expect him to have a much better performance than MMA fighters like Ben Askren and Nate Diaz who barely even bothered to train.

WBC needs to have a cause for this fight to happen and a made-up belt like BMF will justify it while they are not willing to put Fury's belt on the line.
Ngannou is paid more than what he could earn in UFC, he should be motivated. Ngannou will stay in boxing for a while even if he loses this fight though. Now that belt will be challenged as well so I think they need to also create a new weight class.

I'm more interested in Dana's reaction to the belt.

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For sure I don't want to body shame and with the recent Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury face-off Fury doesn't need such muscle because his skill and technique are more than enough in dealing with Francis Ngannou, and this is the 1st time for Ngannou in dealing a fight with boxing, for sure with all that body fats Tyson Fury is still confident in dealing with Francis Ngannou for sure,

So we have a new meme here, Maybe Ngannou is thinking Is this the guy that can knock me out and how come this guy is the heavyweight champion, If Ngannou carries this mindset he is in big trouble the moment he steps in the ring this flappy fat guy is going to knock him out, I hope Mike Tyson will give him a different mindset going through the fight remember he is a victim of an upset because he undermine his opponent.

Similar to what I have said before already, this will be the physical appearance of the man who will knockout the Predator Ngannou and put him on a stretcher to be pulled by Mike Tyson going to the hospital hehehe. I cannot support an MMA fighter to win against the best in boxing after witnessing Conor vs. Floyd. The feeling as a fan after watching the fight was similar to an ICO scam. The Gypsy King vs. The Predator will also be a similar feeling.

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