Topic: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 - page 6. (Read 4008 times)

No matter what you say as long as Francis didn't win the fight, the fans will not gonna accept it because even the boxing legends are there watching the fight and most of them have said that Francis won and one of the Judges still chose to be fair rather than saving the face of the boxing industry. But the important thing is, he got the payment he deserved and still had the chance to fight anyone again in their weight division and he will still gonna make a huge profit from that for sure than he makes in the UFC.

Ngannou scored a single knockdown but boxing is scored per round. I haven't watched the fight even the replays but I saw the full punch stats. If I base the fight according to the punch stats it is 95-94 in favor of Fury. It would've been great if Ngannou won but after interpreting the punch stats I won't call it a robbery.


Real boxing is still alive and some say it is getting bigger and better while some say it is dying or slowing down. It's a combination of both because financially boxing stars are getting huge paydays which I believe are just too much, reason why legendary networks like HBO and Showtime are leaving boxing. In terms of PPV buys, boxing numbers are decreasing. I agree with Bob Arum that PPVs as much as possible should be prohibited or at least their prices should be lowered to 50% to 75% of their current rates. Politics in boxing is becoming bigger and it is stopping the big fights from happening. Before, there were only HBO and Showtime and the promoters could work both. Nowadays, there's DAZN, ESPN, and Showtime (soon leaving boxing) and these networks have exclusive deals with promoters establishing their own stars and fanbase.

There are only a few boxing hardcore so it is the casuals that will fill PPV buys. Celebrities once were used to market fights but currently, some of them are interested in fighting and nothing can stop them from doing that especially since the promoters and networks are also willing to exploit the opportunity. But to those still wanting real fights they can just tune in to DAZN, ESPN, Showtime, etc. because all of these networks usually have events every weekend.

There are different opinions from the vast majority that watch the fight between Tyson Fury and Francis Ngannou. It was an interesting fight match and everyone was tense with the suspense actions exhibited by the fighters. Tyson Fury remain the champ, although most of the audiences booed him, that's doesn't matter. You can expect the panel to announce Francis Ngannou as the winner simply because he gave a super punch that made Fury fall to his knees, ofcourse he didn't tap out or the referee counting for him. If Francis Ngannou wants to win a match fight with Fury, he should knock him out, that's how to win.

The only excuse that can be accepted - if Ngannou really claim he won the fight, then he should have knocked out cold Fury. Even if your boxing is better, the fact that you cant show its fully and your opponent is a champ, judges will give him a victory anyway. That knockdown only changed fights result from UD to split. If you want to win a champion, then a knockout is the only solution or total dominance. Ngannou did not show total dominance during 10 rounds. So the result is fair.

P.S. For that clean elbow that Fury landed, Ngannou should have landed a lowkick in return

There's more to unpack here. The reputation of the entire boxing as a sport was on the line here. If someone who represents mma and who had zero boxing matches before the fight can just step in and defeat the undisputed champion of the sport. A champion who dedicated his life to mastering this one discipline. Then what good is the sport really? Why bother watching boxing if mma fighters are just as good (or better) in this element of fighting and in all the other elements as well?

And I don't think Ngannou needed an official win here. He's already perceived as a winner anyhow.

Uhmm... I really think that fight wasn't rigged.
Tyson fury won for more rounds than he did, how could they have given off a trophy like that to a single KO? ( That wasn't even a KO, that was a knock down).

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well, he's supposed to be proud of his prowess anyways...not disputing that fact, "buh let's call a spade by it name" the referee gave a wonder decision - the panels did too .. just that it doesn't have to tally with everyone's proposal.

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Exactly, fight with Usik will be super risky and will super negatively affect Fury's career. He has to either take fight seriously or continue drinking alcohol and doing coke. Yes, Fury is super talented, he is like a Messi but in boxing, though, this alone won't help him if he is not going to train seriously.

When fight is very close, a newbie probably shouldn't expect to deserve the sympathy of judges because this sport is corrupt but when there is a difference like day and night and judge still says that Fury wins while he got KOed and wasn't really doing anything on the ring, then yeah, it's a moment of cry and sadness, the feeling of injustice. Ngannou needed to win but he knows that it has no meaning to protest it and probably will do more harm than good for him.

just what I also thought of for the decision has been officially made and there's nothing our ranting can do about it to changing the judges verdict. But one thing for sure is that a clear message has been sent in the ring by Francis to the boxing community  that the MMA shouldn't be underrated. Giving those monster  punches fury received staggering to the ground I believe he couldn't believe what hit him. Francis should have to move on for he has already made history and further set a new path for his career as he would always be remembered as the man who knocks down the heavy weight boxing champ on October 28th, 2023.  The fight was just an exhibition fight for the money men and not with an intention to relinquish victory to an MMA fighter.

Yup, he's 37, so he has no time to waste and won't be able to focus on both, MMA and boxing, he'd have to choose one.
But he's not even ranked yet so don't think he could just jump in and fight in official fights against the top boxers. Allowing him to do that would make any boxing federation look silly.
And money-wise, it's not like his every boxing fight will bring the same payout. So I anticipate he might do another exhibition fight with someone from the top (perhaps a rematch with Fury, but this won't be anytime soon) and then go back to MMA, provided he'll be offered high enough contract.
Then again, sticking to boxing could extend the length of his career. If he still wants to compete in his early 40s, it's more doable in boxing than in MMA.

What embarrassment?  This is a deliberate strategy that the coward Fury followed to avoid a rematch with Klitschko, and then trying to avoid a fight with Usyk. Apparently the fight with Ngannou brought Fury back to earth (to the canvas haha) and he realized that a fight with Usik would be too risky. Now I again think that we will not see this fight because Fury will avoid it in all possible ways.

Seeing how he was cheated from winning in the first fight, Francis will be going for the knock out in this fight because with that nobody will be able to deny him the victory. Wilder will loose this fight, because Francis Ngannou will both be feeling pumped from having a good fight against Fury and also angered from having a good fight and still not winning it. Wilder has to work hard if he is going to beat Francis Ngannou because Tyson by his side, he is doing well without even having many boxing experience.

I would say it is not even about the rounds but more about knockdowns, Ngannou had knockdowns, as far as I can remember Fury didn't had any, so I would give the fight to Ngannou. However, that is not even the point, are we going to keep seeing these exhibition games from now on? I mean looking at this years most watched boxing matches, it is KSI vs Fury, it is Logan Paul vs Dillon Danis, it is this fight, I mean these are all exhibition style fights and definitely do not really look like proper fights. I miss the good old days when the top two ranked fighters fought against each other and you were wondering who would win, not just about who had more followers.

I understand marketing is part of the game, but back in the day you would find fighters, and then made marketing around them, not find marketing people and then made them fight. This is starting to feel like boxing has lost all its attention and running its course, it can't sustain like this forever.

Of course it won't change anything, the judges decision is always final. But this result is going to be discussed for many years in my opinion. And there could be different opinions as you have seen in the discussion here. There are fans who think that Francis won, or just like what you said, it could have been at least a draw. But the judges are not going to do that because it will derail the biggest heavyweight fight schedule in December (although this is not going to happen now because of the result of this fight as Fury will need to rest). Everything is about the money, boxing is business and so that judges could be in that two as this sports is corrupt as well.

That's not true. Fury won the majority of the rounds not every rounds, at least according to two judges, as it was a split decision. Two judges favored Fury, while one favored Ngannou. However, it was a close contest, so it's understandable that some people may believe Ngannou should have won.

These are the scores for your reference.

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https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/10/28/23936681/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-official-scorecard

Some of you think Francis should have won, but the match should have been a draw IMO. He did okay, but not well enough to win. It just one round. Tyson Fury won every round according to the judges, even though he wasn't his best. But, the result won't change, so let's move on. It's all about the money!

It's an exciting fight, but I wouldn't anticipate it going to the judges' scorecards. Both Wilder and Ngannou are known for their knockout power, with Ngannou possibly even stronger than Wilder. This matchup is certainly interesting if it were to materialize. So would this mean that Ngannou would already left UFC and now focus on boxing?

Ngannou got himself a new fight, by the way, It's Deontay Wilder as his next fight. It wasn't confirmed but he recently answered some questions from an influencer about it to which he confirmed they discussing it with Wilder's camp. It probably just needs a little ironing. Weight and most likely money discussion and it looks like they are still going to be held in Saudi again. You can just hope it's not the same judge.

After knocking down Fury, officially Ngannou is now a boxer.

Ngannou has introuduce himself well to the world, and in one fight has become a superstar in the world of boxing. He is very popular now so it's time for him to make a critical decision. Given the significant pay gap, I believe Ngannou should seriously contemplate focusing on his career in boxing. He could potentially take on established heavyweights like Wilder, Joshua, and others with impressive records. This transition seems quite feasible, as promoters won't have to worry about whether fans will tune in – Ngannou's fights are bound to draw attention.

Ngannou scored a knockdown an dealt more damage to Fury than Fury did to him, but winning by decision was never an option for Francis. The good thing is, he doesn't really need it. He presented himself phenomenally against the current, non-retired world champion and, whether the decision was correct or not, he's perceived as a big winner of the fight. Despite official loss, he now has much more options in his career - he could go back to mma, fight a rematch against Fury or fight some other top name in boxing.
Winning wouldn't change much for Ngannou, but it would be devastating to Fury and the entire boxing world and Fury's fight against Usyk could fall through. But both still remain undefeated.
 

Well for me people's winner is Ngannou because he dropped Fury despite of having no puro boxing experience at all, that's a big win for him BUT for the judges, it's a win round for Ngannou and that's only fair. IMO, the knockout wasn't the game decision for the judges, and take note that in boxing the judges only matters, and for them it's Fury who won that fight. I'm not a pro, just an audience, there are some technical scoring in boxing where judges are paid to point, I think that's where Ngannou lacked of, remember it's a split decision either of them could have won.

But if I were to judge it could have been a draw.