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Quote from: inthelongrun on November 05, 2023, 01:57:52 AM

Out of curiosity I finally watched the replay of this fight. I was already a little sleepy but I became more sleepy watching the fight so I stopped scoring the fight. What a shameful performance by Tyson Fury. My hat's off to Ngannou. If only he was a little younger and had more time to practice the sport. There were a lot of close rounds in that fight that could go either way. Fury landed more but Ngannou landed the heavier shots and judges have their own ways of interpreting fights, especially on close rounds.

Here are the official scorecards. There are 5 rounds where the judges did not have the same assessment while in another 5 rounds, they unanimously agreed to each other.

Here is the punch stats of this fight. Maybe it helps in assessing the fight. Based on the stats I had it 95-94 for Fury.

After watching the fight I just can't believe the Saudis spent around a hundred million dollars for such a boring fight. Boxing just lost some casual fans that night. If only they watched the low-budget title fight of DAZN at Cancun, Mexico on the same day they would've stayed. The 11th-round exchange between WBC super featherweight champion O'Shaquie Foster and Eduardo Hernandez might win the round of the year.

I wonder how one could interpret the statistics of the third round as 8-10? Isn't that 7 - 10? Moreover, if the judges had scored 7-10, then as a result of a split decision, the victory would have gone to Ngannou.
For the Saudis this is a normal result, it would be much worse if someone won by knockout in the first round. And what happened suited everyone - 10 rounds, a lot of advertising and all that.

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Out of curiosity I finally watched the replay of this fight. I was already a little sleepy but I became more sleepy watching the fight so I stopped scoring the fight. What a shameful performance by Tyson Fury. My hat's off to Ngannou. If only he was a little younger and had more time to practice the sport. There were a lot of close rounds in that fight that could go either way. Fury landed more but Ngannou landed the heavier shots and judges have their own ways of interpreting fights, especially on close rounds.

Here are the official scorecards. There are 5 rounds where the judges did not have the same assessment while in another 5 rounds, they unanimously agreed to each other.

Here is the punch stats of this fight. Maybe it helps in assessing the fight. Based on the stats I had it 95-94 for Fury.

After watching the fight I just can't believe the Saudis spent around a hundred million dollars for such a boring fight. Boxing just lost some casual fans that night. If only they watched the low-budget title fight of DAZN at Cancun, Mexico on the same day they would've stayed. The 11th-round exchange between WBC super featherweight champion O'Shaquie Foster and Eduardo Hernandez might win the round of the year.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 04, 2023, 06:16:45 PM

But if Ngannou wanted to proved himself, he just have to wait, for sure there are boxers that is willing to fight him, not just those in the top, but maybe in the top 5-10 because it's a win-win situation, they will get to test how good Francis really is, and obviously the money that they are going to get fighting one of the most hype boxers right now.

It's a tricky situation for Francis though. I'm not sure if it's at all possible for him to fight official boxing fights with the top boxers, or would he need any sort of boxing licence and have to work his way up from the bottom. Not sure if fighting more exhibition fights with fighters of a much lower calibre than Tyson Fury would give Francis a decent payout. Given his age, he doesn't have much time to waste and probably will have only a few more fights before retirement. A rematch with Fury would definitely make sense (and maybe going back to MMA after that), but Fury is after Usyk now.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 02, 2023, 06:36:57 PM

The days of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield were memorable but are resigned to the history books.

True, but I think it was way easier to elevate boxers to high-level celebrity status (i.e. recognisable by millions worldwide) in the past than it is now. Simply because we had a television as a main source of information and all news were reporting on the main boxing events. Nowadays sources of information are decentralised, and often times algorithms on social media would lock people in information bubbles, so any up-and-coming fighters struggle to reach a wider audience, outside of die-hard boxing fans. This means we might never see another "golden era" of boxing similar to what we've had in the past.

Times has really change isn't it, I remember way back when we can't watch the fight live and it's always delayed in our country. The only way to known the score is to tune in in the old and traditional way, radio.

As for this fight, yeah, it's a bit controversial as many have thought that Ngannou won the fight specially he scored that knockdown to make the score 10-8. But it was just one round and there are a lot of rounds that is very close hard to score. But as we all know, usually if that is the case, the judges are going to award the score to the champion, so here, that is why the score or at least 2 of the judges saw it for Fury.

But if Ngannou wanted to proved himself, he just have to wait, for sure there are boxers that is willing to fight him, not just those in the top, but maybe in the top 5-10 because it's a win-win situation, they will get to test how good Francis really is, and obviously the money that they are going to get fighting one of the most hype boxers right now.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 02, 2023, 06:36:57 PM

The days of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield were memorable but are resigned to the history books.

True, but I think it was way easier to elevate boxers to high-level celebrity status (i.e. recognisable by millions worldwide) in the past than it is now. Simply because we had a television as a main source of information and all news were reporting on the main boxing events. Nowadays sources of information are decentralised, and often times algorithms on social media would lock people in information bubbles, so any up-and-coming fighters struggle to reach a wider audience, outside of die-hard boxing fans. This means we might never see another "golden era" of boxing similar to what we've had in the past.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on November 03, 2023, 03:41:44 PM

Wasn't able to jump on this as early as I hoped I would but goddamn is Francis robbed from that fight. They gotta stop with these weird split decision bullshits cause it generally fucks with an otherwise great match. It happened against Pacquiao back then, where he lost against what would've been a no-brainer win, and now it's happening again to Ngannou? That's just something else man lol.

I beg to disagree this is completely not the same with Pacman's fight, the fight that Pacman looked he was rigged was against Horn, the other fights it was close though so we gotta respect the judgest decision, sometimes boxing really like that, it does not happen based on our expectation but the fight between Fury and Ngannou, some says Ngannou was robbed but the other side says it's a fair match.

Quote from: Casdinyard on November 03, 2023, 03:41:44 PM

Maybe they need to hold off on the judging and be more focused on actually just betting cause what the fuck is all these man. Don't get me wrong Fury did well in that fight as well but Francis mopped the floor with him in round 3! If that's not enough to sway the votes of the judges towards him then idk what else.

The scoring is not only decided in one round, Ngannou obviously won that round but it was only a 10-8 score in favor of him.

Let's take a look how it's scored in boxing here.

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For each knockdown in a round, the judge deducts an additional point from the fighter knocked down, resulting in a 10–8 score if there is one knockdown or a 10–7 score if there are two knockdowns.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 02, 2023, 01:43:16 PM

I don't follow boxing as much as I use to when I was younger. I really miss the days of the big time legendary heavyweights such as Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis etc. Today it seems like the guy, or heavyweight that I see the name most often pop up is Fury. Has he been the best heavyweight for some time? Is there anyone else coming up to challenge him?

I wanting to start to learn more about boxing so I can start placing some bets on the matches.

Fury has been but his most recent match against Ngannou showed his weak side that he has left to be the best heavyweight champion to be less of it.

Fury's next upcoming match will be against Usyk in December but because of how injured Fury is, it's like his boxing match against Usyk will not happen this December but rather next year. By that time he must have been healed from the injury he got from Ngannou.

Usyk is another professional heavyweight champion fighter who is making a name for himself in the boxing industry. He is from Ukraine. He defeated Unified Heavyweight Champion Anthony Joshua(a Nigerian) twice in 2021 and 2022 to win the WBA, IBF, WBO, and IBO titles.

This is the little insight I can give you in the world of boxing federation. I hope you get to follow up with the recent update from the World Boxing Federation on who will be owing the heavyweight title soon. It can be Fury or Usyk. Next year will seek that.

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Ngannou earned the respect of all those that doubted him before the fight took place. In my opinion, he was by far the better boxer and should have been awarded the win or at least had a very dubious draw. As for a rematch, I doubt there would a clause for Ngannou to invoke it therefore he should move on to other fighters to make a name and money for himself while Fury vs Usyk try to get their own unification fight on.

If there are politics in play in order to ensure Fury vs Usyk takes place in Saudi Arabia then that could be the reason otherwise I have no idea how a judge scored the fight 96/93 in favour of Fury. Shocking Shocked

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 03, 2023, 02:55:34 PM

And with that, it seems that Francis is smelling big money already and Ngannou: I Have A lot of Options - But I Want Fury Rematch The Most!

But I doubt about this scenario that he has laid out, I mean don't see Usyk stepping aside, they already sign a deal with Fury and everyone is now tune in this fight. So the best option for Ngannou is to wait. Although he seems not to be damage physically as compare to Fury, he needs to take that rest as well.

And this time, he will be on the venue and the one to watch the fight and maybe after the winner of the Fury vs Usyk fight, he will go up in the ring to challenge the winner verbally.

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Wasn't able to jump on this as early as I hoped I would but goddamn is Francis robbed from that fight. They gotta stop with these weird split decision bullshits cause it generally fucks with an otherwise great match. It happened against Pacquiao back then, where he lost against what would've been a no-brainer win, and now it's happening again to Ngannou? That's just something else man lol.

Maybe they need to hold off on the judging and be more focused on actually just betting cause what the fuck is all these man. Don't get me wrong Fury did well in that fight as well but Francis mopped the floor with him in round 3! If that's not enough to sway the votes of the judges towards him then idk what else.

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And with that, it seems that Francis is smelling big money already and Ngannou: I Have A lot of Options - But I Want Fury Rematch The Most!

But I doubt about this scenario that he has laid out, I mean don't see Usyk stepping aside, they already sign a deal with Fury and everyone is now tune in this fight. So the best option for Ngannou is to wait. Although he seems not to be damage physically as compare to Fury, he needs to take that rest as well.

And this time, he will be on the venue and the one to watch the fight and maybe after the winner of the Fury vs Usyk fight, he will go up in the ring to challenge the winner verbally.

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Fury definitely looked awful but was it a case of Ngannou being a step above being better than him in the ring that day, or Fury running out ideas as he was not bothered and not focused about the fight? I did not know who threw more punches or jabs but during the fight I thought it was Ngannou. Also, the intent for the harder effective hitting seemed to be by Ngannou. I thought Fury was very fortunate to have won the fight.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 02, 2023, 11:51:49 AM

The scorecard was understandably confusing. Two judges had it in favour of Fury while one had it in favour of Ngannou. If the first judge scored the bout 95/94 in favour of Ngannou and the second judge scored it 95/94 in favour of Fury, how did the third judge score the bout 96/93 in favour of Fury especially after he was the one who was knocked down?

Most of the urgency, aggression and intent was by Ngannou because Fury completely underestimated what was going to happen in the ring. Fury looked as though he was a shadow of his former self. He needs to go back to the drawing board before he takes on Usyk otherwise he will lose the fight:
[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 23rd December 2023

Neither fighter landed or threw very many punches. When each fighter is landing less than 10 punches per round the final result can be very subjective. It was obviously a close fight but Fury landed more punches according to CompuBox and I felt like he outboxed Ngannou in the majority of rounds. Ngannou's power was impressive but Fury managed to dodge most of it by clinching and jabbing. As dreadful as Fury looked, his activity was enough to win rounds against a fighter with limited technique who solely focused on trying to win by knockout.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 02, 2023, 11:51:49 AM

The scorecard was understandably confusing. Two judges had it in favour of Fury while one had it in favour of Ngannou. If the first judge scored the bout 95/94 in favour of Ngannou and the second judge scored it 95/94 in favour of Fury, how did the third judge score the bout 96/93 in favour of Fury especially after he was the one who was knocked down?

Most of the urgency, aggression and intent was by Ngannou because Fury completely underestimated what was going to happen in the ring. Fury looked as though he was a shadow of his former self. He needs to go back to the drawing board before he takes on Usyk otherwise he will lose the fight:
[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 23rd December 2023

Neither fighter landed or threw very many punches. When each fighter is landing less than 10 punches per round the final result can be very subjective. It was obviously a close fight but Fury landed more punches according to CompuBox and I felt like he outboxed Ngannou in the majority of rounds. Ngannou's power was impressive but Fury managed to dodge most of it by clinching and jabbing. As dreadful as Fury looked, his activity was enough to win rounds against a fighter with limited technique who solely focused on trying to win by knockout.

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The days of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield were memorable but are resigned to the history books. The way things are going it is probably better to close your eyes and place the bet rather than trying to work out who the better boxer is statistically. Honestly, the state of the heavyweight division at the moment is not great as beyond Fury and Usyk there are just Ruiz, Joshua and Wilder but they are all mid-30s heading towards 40.

Looking at that group you have to go with Fury and Usyk as the best.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 02, 2023, 01:43:16 PM

I don't follow boxing as much as I use to when I was younger. I really miss the days of the big time legendary heavyweights such as Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis etc. Today it seems like the guy, or heavyweight that I see the name most often pop up is Fury. Has he been the best heavyweight for some time? Is there anyone else coming up to challenge him?

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Quote from: bittraffic on November 02, 2023, 02:41:43 PM

There's Usyk, a Ukrainian Jr HW but has unified some belts in the heavyweight as well. It's why the most awaited fight in history is Fury and Usyk but this is very uncertain yet. They were scheduled to fight this Dec 23 but once again moved. Before this, they were supposed to fight last year as well. Either Arum or the two are just not meeting in the middle with how much is each cut.

I don't watch much boxing nowadays, and if I do, it's usually just highlights due to lack of time, but Fury Vs Usyk is the fight I wouldn't mind staying late for and watching in full. Both are undefeated (you could argue if that's still true for Fury though), Usyk is technically far better but has a size disadvantage. He handled Anthony Joshua really well.

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Now they bring Ngannou on the stage, I guess all eyes are on him and Ngannou grabs the camera to himself and wants to fight every HW that agrees. I think he is fighting Anthony Joshua or Doentay Wilder this Dec. 23. They couldn't pick a better day to surprise us all for, everyone wants to spend this very holiday.

Thinking about that, it makes all the sense in the world for Ngannou to stay in boxing. It surely means bigger payouts for him, and it brings a lot of people back to watching box. Usually, in recent years, we've seen a unidirectional outflow of fans from boxing to mma, but now this could be reversed, even if only temporarily. The potential problem would be boxing federations not wanting to let unranked Ngannou fight with the top guys, possibly for the belt.

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Quote from: bittraffic on November 02, 2023, 02:41:43 PM

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 02, 2023, 01:43:16 PM

I don't follow boxing as much as I use to when I was younger. I really miss the days of the big time legendary heavyweights such as Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis etc. Today it seems like the guy, or heavyweight that I see the name most often pop up is Fury. Has he been the best heavyweight for some time? Is there anyone else coming up to challenge him?

I wanting to start to learn more about boxing so I can start placing some bets on the matches.

There's Usyk, a Ukrainian Jr HW but has unified some belts in the heavyweight as well. It's why the most awaited fight in history is Fury and Usyk but this is very uncertain yet. They were scheduled to fight this Dec 23 but once again moved. Before this, they were supposed to fight last year as well. Either Arum or the two are just not meeting in the middle with how much is each cut.

The deal has been signed as far as know that's why there are a date already. But since Fury is battered and bruised and you can see that after that fight he has a black eye, they might not meet at the December 23 date as Fury as per medical advise needs to take a rest and again, this is mandatory to all boxers as there will be medical being taken after a fight and doctors might advise them to recover first.

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Now they bring Ngannou on the stage, I guess all eyes are on him and Ngannou grabs the camera to himself and wants to fight every HW that agrees. I think he is fighting Anthony Joshua or Doentay Wilder this Dec. 23. They couldn't pick a better day to surprise us all for, everyone wants to spend this very holiday.

We will see what the future holds for Francis, AJ and Wilder too has it's own fight as well. So Francis will have to wait for this heavyweight, the top tier before he can fight. He will not run short of good opponents in this division though. He could even fight Zhang if he wanted to.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 02, 2023, 01:43:16 PM

I don't follow boxing as much as I use to when I was younger. I really miss the days of the big time legendary heavyweights such as Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis etc. Today it seems like the guy, or heavyweight that I see the name most often pop up is Fury. Has he been the best heavyweight for some time? Is there anyone else coming up to challenge him?

I wanting to start to learn more about boxing so I can start placing some bets on the matches.

Francis Ngannou is a former mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter who has never fought in boxing but he dropped a heavyweight champion in the third round. Before the fight, most people thought that it would be an easy win for Tyson Fury. But this new boxer gave the unbeaten world heavyweight champion the beating of his life with a bruised and bloody face as a clear testimony. Francis was about to make history until two out of the three judges unjustly gave Tyson Fury the win.

Since then there has been global criticism of the decision that denied Francis his win, some former world champions have even questioned the rationale that made Fury the winner. Francis was in total control of the match from start to finish so the split decision of 95-94 for Ngannou and a 96-93 and 95-94 came as a surprise. So the truth is that we really have a potential world champion on the block, he is a Cameroonian-French citizen.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 02, 2023, 01:43:16 PM

I don't follow boxing as much as I use to when I was younger. I really miss the days of the big time legendary heavyweights such as Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis etc. Today it seems like the guy, or heavyweight that I see the name most often pop up is Fury. Has he been the best heavyweight for some time? Is there anyone else coming up to challenge him?

I wanting to start to learn more about boxing so I can start placing some bets on the matches.

There's Usyk, a Ukrainian Jr HW but has unified some belts in the heavyweight as well. It's why the most awaited fight in history is Fury and Usyk but this is very uncertain yet. They were scheduled to fight this Dec 23 but once again moved. Before this, they were supposed to fight last year as well. Either Arum or the two are just not meeting in the middle with how much is each cut.

Now they bring Ngannou on the stage, I guess all eyes are on him and Ngannou grabs the camera to himself and wants to fight every HW that agrees. I think he is fighting Anthony Joshua or Doentay Wilder this Dec. 23. They couldn't pick a better day to surprise us all for, everyone wants to spend this very holiday.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 02, 2023, 07:27:10 AM

Imho a lot of people dont understand boxing and its fight evaluation system. Thanks God we have 3 judges there, not just one. A lot of people dont count the number of landed punches, activity in the ring, if the fighter is more active or passive during the fight and etc. All they see is - if one boxer landed a punch and after that his opponent has blood on the face, then he is winner. If one boxer sends his opponent to a knockdown (and it does not matter, if was a real knockdown or the boxer just slipped), then he is 200% fight winner.

That's why it's really hard to be a judge in boxing match, maybe some of them are really biased on one boxer, or maybe they really got it right as far as scoring goes. But if there is much noise as far as the scoring goes, most of the time the judges are very wrong, just like in the noise when Manny Pacquaio losses to Jeff Horn back then. The numbers just doesn't add up and that's why judges got it wrong.

Although they don't have the luxury of replies, however, we fans see it otherwise and for sure there could be that scoring which is completely wrong and that's why there are rematch too to settle if the fight is very close. But in this case, we won't see a rematch yet as Fury is scheduled to fight Usyk next.

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I don't follow boxing as much as I use to when I was younger. I really miss the days of the big time legendary heavyweights such as Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox Lewis etc. Today it seems like the guy, or heavyweight that I see the name most often pop up is Fury. Has he been the best heavyweight for some time? Is there anyone else coming up to challenge him?

I wanting to start to learn more about boxing so I can start placing some bets on the matches.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 02, 2023, 07:27:10 AM

Imho a lot of people dont understand boxing and its fight evaluation system. Thanks God we have 3 judges there, not just one. A lot of people dont count the number of landed punches, activity in the ring, if the fighter is more active or passive during the fight and etc. All they see is - if one boxer landed a punch and after that his opponent has blood on the face, then he is winner. If one boxer sends his opponent to a knockdown (and it does not matter, if was a real knockdown or the boxer just slipped), then he is 200% fight winner.

I would guess that's a viewers wishes and considering the viewer is the one that makes all these boxers money, shouldn't that matter? I am not saying that it should be calculated into it, but there are three judges who decides who wins, whereas tens of millions of dollars are paid by us to these boxers.

I feel like that's a little bit unfair, I am not saying lets give the people a chance to vote, but it should definitely be important to keep what they want on their perspective, so when judges are voting, there should be some changes in the future based on what the fans like to see. Not like other sports never had any rule changes, we could have rule changes in the future for boxing, had changes in the past, and what fans like to see should be considered when those changes happen.

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