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Some of you think Francis should have won, but the match should have been a draw IMO. He did okay, but not well enough to win. It just one round. Tyson Fury won every round according to the judges, even though he wasn't his best. But, the result won't change, so let's move on. It's all about the money!

That's not true. Fury won the majority of the rounds not every rounds, at least according to two judges, as it was a split decision. Two judges favored Fury, while one favored Ngannou. However, it was a close contest, so it's understandable that some people may believe Ngannou should have won.

These are the scores for your reference.

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Judges Alan Krebs (95-94) and Juan Carlos Pelayo (96-93) scored the fight for Fury, while Ed Garner had it 95-94 for Ngannou.


https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/10/28/23936681/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-official-scorecard
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Some of you think Francis should have won, but the match should have been a draw IMO. He did okay, but not well enough to win. It just one round. Tyson Fury won every round according to the judges, even though he wasn't his best. But, the result won't change, so let's move on. It's all about the money!
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Ngannou got himself a new fight, by the way, It's Deontay Wilder as his next fight. It wasn't confirmed but he recently answered some questions from an influencer about it to which he confirmed they discussing it with Wilder's camp. It probably just needs a little ironing. Weight and most likely money discussion and it looks like they are still going to be held in Saudi again. You can just hope it's not the same judge.

After knocking down Fury, officially Ngannou is now a boxer.

It's an exciting fight, but I wouldn't anticipate it going to the judges' scorecards. Both Wilder and Ngannou are known for their knockout power, with Ngannou possibly even stronger than Wilder. This matchup is certainly interesting if it were to materialize. So would this mean that Ngannou would already left UFC and now focus on boxing?
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Ngannou got himself a new fight, by the way, It's Deontay Wilder as his next fight. It wasn't confirmed but he recently answered some questions from an influencer about it to which he confirmed they discussing it with Wilder's camp. It probably just needs a little ironing. Weight and most likely money discussion and it looks like they are still going to be held in Saudi again. You can just hope it's not the same judge.

After knocking down Fury, officially Ngannou is now a boxer.
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Well for me people's winner is Ngannou because he dropped Fury despite of having no puro boxing experience at all, that's a big win for him BUT for the judges, it's a win round for Ngannou and that's only fair. IMO, the knockout wasn't the game decision for the judges, and take note that in boxing the judges only matters, and for them it's Fury who won that fight. I'm not a pro, just an audience, there are some technical scoring in boxing where judges are paid to point, I think that's where Ngannou lacked of, remember it's a split decision either of them could have won.

But if I were to judge it could have been a draw.

Ngannou scored a knockdown an dealt more damage to Fury than Fury did to him, but winning by decision was never an option for Francis. The good thing is, he doesn't really need it. He presented himself phenomenally against the current, non-retired world champion and, whether the decision was correct or not, he's perceived as a big winner of the fight. Despite official loss, he now has much more options in his career - he could go back to mma, fight a rematch against Fury or fight some other top name in boxing.
Winning wouldn't change much for Ngannou, but it would be devastating to Fury and the entire boxing world and Fury's fight against Usyk could fall through. But both still remain undefeated.
 

Ngannou has introuduce himself well to the world, and in one fight has become a superstar in the world of boxing. He is very popular now so it's time for him to make a critical decision. Given the significant pay gap, I believe Ngannou should seriously contemplate focusing on his career in boxing. He could potentially take on established heavyweights like Wilder, Joshua, and others with impressive records. This transition seems quite feasible, as promoters won't have to worry about whether fans will tune in – Ngannou's fights are bound to draw attention.
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Well for me people's winner is Ngannou because he dropped Fury despite of having no puro boxing experience at all, that's a big win for him BUT for the judges, it's a win round for Ngannou and that's only fair. IMO, the knockout wasn't the game decision for the judges, and take note that in boxing the judges only matters, and for them it's Fury who won that fight. I'm not a pro, just an audience, there are some technical scoring in boxing where judges are paid to point, I think that's where Ngannou lacked of, remember it's a split decision either of them could have won.

But if I were to judge it could have been a draw.

Ngannou scored a knockdown an dealt more damage to Fury than Fury did to him, but winning by decision was never an option for Francis. The good thing is, he doesn't really need it. He presented himself phenomenally against the current, non-retired world champion and, whether the decision was correct or not, he's perceived as a big winner of the fight. Despite official loss, he now has much more options in his career - he could go back to mma, fight a rematch against Fury or fight some other top name in boxing.
Winning wouldn't change much for Ngannou, but it would be devastating to Fury and the entire boxing world and Fury's fight against Usyk could fall through. But both still remain undefeated.
 
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I watched the fight and I have to say that refs ruined good event with that split decision win.
Francis Ngannou was amazing in his first pro boxing fight and he even knocked down Fury, so I dont see how Fury won this fight with busted face and average performance.
Fury didnt expect such a good performance from Ngannou, and maybe he was thinking more about his next boxing fight against Usyk.
Ngannou maybe lost on paper but he won for people, and I know poor Dana White was sad about his great performance  Grin
Many people argue that decisions are corrupted and decisions are bought to win over booked fighters, I already have a bad feeling that if Ngannou doesn't get the knockout then he has a small chance of winning via the referee's decision announcement, my hunch has been confirmed in the winner announcement session and they no matter the response of the audience who disagree with that decision.

Ngannou the winner is more deserving of that fight even though they are not taking sides for him, we are also the referees who judge the points from the far side and we also have the right to declare the real winner of the fight
Well for me people's winner is Ngannou because he dropped Fury despite of having no puro boxing experience at all, that's a big win for him BUT for the judges, it's a win round for Ngannou and that's only fair. IMO, the knockout wasn't the game decision for the judges, and take note that in boxing the judges only matters, and for them it's Fury who won that fight. I'm not a pro, just an audience, there are some technical scoring in boxing where judges are paid to point, I think that's where Ngannou lacked of, remember it's a split decision either of them could have won.

But if I were to judge it could have been a draw.
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I watched the fight and I have to say that refs ruined good event with that split decision win.
Francis Ngannou was amazing in his first pro boxing fight and he even knocked down Fury, so I dont see how Fury won this fight with busted face and average performance.
Fury didnt expect such a good performance from Ngannou, and maybe he was thinking more about his next boxing fight against Usyk.
Ngannou maybe lost on paper but he won for people, and I know poor Dana White was sad about his great performance  Grin
Many people are of the opinion that decisions are corrupt and decisions are bought to win over booked fighters, I already had a bad feeling that if Ngannou didn't get the knockout then he had a small chance of winning via the referee's decision announcement, my guess was confirmed at the winner announcement session and they not caring about the many audience responses who disagree with this decision.

Ngannou the winner is more deserving of that fight even though they are not taking sides for him, we are also the referees who judge the points from the far side and we also have the right to declare the real winner of the fight.
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Francis Ngannou just left a real dent on the sport of Boxing after the weekends match, and Tyson Fury's ego and winning record should be dented by now because the people's choice says Tyson lost .
Had it not been for that 96-93 scorecard that saw the decider go to the wire by a split decision, Francis would have been the winner...and the organisers should be feeling guilty by now because they know it too.

Btw talk about the knockdown, bruised face, black eye and all other highlights of this match..all point in the direction of a Francis Ngannou win, and hope they find a way to correct this blunder.
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I watched the fight and I have to say that refs ruined good event with that split decision win.
Francis Ngannou was amazing in his first pro boxing fight and he even knocked down Fury, so I dont see how Fury won this fight with busted face and average performance.
Fury didnt expect such a good performance from Ngannou, and maybe he was thinking more about his next boxing fight against Usyk.
Ngannou maybe lost on paper but he won for people, and I know poor Dana White was sad about his great performance  Grin
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I never gave Francis Ngannou a chance against Tyson Fury not because he is not strong or because he has no fighting experience but because he is a super star in UFC and this is a boxing match against the present best heavy weight boxer in the world that is undefeated so logically I felt the task was too much for him.

Going into the game Francis Ngannou was the under dog definitely but as the fight proceeded he was amazing, all the training he had with ex world heavy weight champion Mike Tyson definitely paid off as he not only had a good match but also knocked down Tyson Fury and I like millions of people are surprised that the judges gave the decision in favor of Tyson fury. Francis has nothing to do but to carry his head high and I think if he wants to transition into being a boxer he would do very well.
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If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.


I believe a rematch wouldn't be an issue for these two fighters, considering the highly competitive bout they put on. This is likely to gain the fans' interest even more, and I think both of them will stand to earn a more significant sum compared to their previous fight. It was reported that Fury made $50 million, while Francis earned $10 million, if I recall correctly. So, in a rematch, they might collectively make a total of $100 million or evermore. Nowadays, reputation takes a back seat to the primary goal of boxers, which is money. They've already satisfied the fans, making it easier to market a rematch.
If they are going to have a rematch Ngannou should have an equal share of the profit like 60/40 he delivers more than what people have expected of him while Fury's performance was nowhere compared to his performance when he fought Wilder.
If they do a rematch I see Ngannou as the favorite to win the rematch, he can take Fury's punches while Fury has a hard time with Ngannou's punches, it's just so unusual for Fury, a boxer doing the thing MMA doing like holding too much and wrestling Ngannou, he should be ashamed with himself.

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However, I believe we should watch the Fury vs. Usyk fight first. Grin

After the Fury = Ngannou fight, Usyk showed confidence that he could beat Fury I've seen both their interview and Usyk wants the December 23 match to happen whereas Fury's promoter wants it next year, obviously to recuperate from Fury's embarrassment.
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I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

Yes, I also agree, perhaps Fury thought that Francis is a very easy opponent, although there is a chance for Francis to hit him with power, perhaps he was confidence that he will not simply go down specially he has face the power of Deontay Wilder before. But he was very wrong because once Francis landed, Fury's eye was very different after that. And it's funny now that after that fight, he says that he always thought that Ngannou was a dangerous opponent than Usyk? What? How can he be very dangerous when he is not a boxer himself?

It just shows by this statement that Fury is very arrogant and doesn't shows respect to his opponents and he was indeed very lucky that because of boxing corruption, he was declared by winner.

as of right now Ngannou is not ranked, but he has proven he can compete with the top-level boxers, they were in talks with Wilder as rumored. and so is Fury vs Usyk which is scheduled this Dec 23. Fury is in such a hurry, he knows he is in decline and may not be able to make millions after one loss but if he has to lose, at least to someone who is above him like Usyk.

i watched some interviews that he wasn't talking Ngannou seriously so not much training he did. but maybe he knows the org is on his side regardless of how the fight came about. so many people shouting that Ngannou was robbed. less he cares.
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I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

Yes, I also agree, perhaps Fury thought that Francis is a very easy opponent, although there is a chance for Francis to hit him with power, perhaps he was confidence that he will not simply go down specially he has face the power of Deontay Wilder before. But he was very wrong because once Francis landed, Fury's eye was very different after that. And it's funny now that after that fight, he says that he always thought that Ngannou was a dangerous opponent than Usyk? What? How can he be very dangerous when he is not a boxer himself?

It just shows by this statement that Fury is very arrogant and doesn't shows respect to his opponents and he was indeed very lucky that because of boxing corruption, he was declared by winner.

Fury didn't see that coming and have huge confidence that he can able to defeat Ngannou because he has more experience than his opponent in terms of matches. But unfortunately for him his opponent show some solid performance and totally he's been knock off. This event create a huge noise on the scene since no one really expect that Fury will lose on this fight but shit happens and Ngannou proves that he's not easy as other people think.

He's name is all over the news so for sure for Ngannou will earn a lot of respect from legends and boxing fans around the world. For sure we can see more fights coming from Ngannou side and his win against Fury is huge step for him to became more famous on this sports.
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I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

Yes, I also agree, perhaps Fury thought that Francis is a very easy opponent, although there is a chance for Francis to hit him with power, perhaps he was confidence that he will not simply go down specially he has face the power of Deontay Wilder before. But he was very wrong because once Francis landed, Fury's eye was very different after that. And it's funny now that after that fight, he says that he always thought that Ngannou was a dangerous opponent than Usyk? What? How can he be very dangerous when he is not a boxer himself?

It just shows by this statement that Fury is very arrogant and doesn't shows respect to his opponents and he was indeed very lucky that because of boxing corruption, he was declared by winner.
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If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.
I believe a rematch wouldn't be an issue for these two fighters, considering the highly competitive bout they put on. This is likely to gain the fans' interest even more, and I think both of them will stand to earn a more significant sum compared to their previous fight. It was reported that Fury made $50 million, while Francis earned $10 million, if I recall correctly. So, in a rematch, they might collectively make a total of $100 million or ever more. Nowadays, reputation takes a back seat to the primary goal of boxers, which is money. They've already satisfied the fans, making it easier to market a rematch.
Both are open for it. Ngannou is already setting the stage this early with his social media taunts but there seems to be no response from Fury or his team yet because they probably still feel the humiliation hehe.

I've already said it before that the bigger bag is a huge factor but I'm pretty confident his reputation is as important for Fury for the rematch.

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However, I believe we should watch the Fury vs. Usyk fight first. Grin
Yes he is next. Fury also said it.
I'm not really interested but Usyk's team can use the result of this fight to their advantage. This could turn out to be a bigger PPV and gate than the previous estimates..
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That was a disappointing fight and what the hell was with that decision, so weird and fucked up. Plus that end, it's like there's no sportsmanlike behavior on Fury. The corruption of the boxing federations has to stop because it's not doing the fighters and the people who support boxing any favors, they're just lining their pockets now and not caring about the quality of fights. Ngannou's the winner of the people, that's what's important.


I guess, he will never escape and he found a bigger one
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I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.
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If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.


I believe a rematch wouldn't be an issue for these two fighters, considering the highly competitive bout they put on. This is likely to gain the fans' interest even more, and I think both of them will stand to earn a more significant sum compared to their previous fight. It was reported that Fury made $50 million, while Francis earned $10 million, if I recall correctly. So, in a rematch, they might collectively make a total of $100 million or ever more. Nowadays, reputation takes a back seat to the primary goal of boxers, which is money. They've already satisfied the fans, making it easier to market a rematch.

However, I believe we should watch the Fury vs. Usyk fight first. Grin
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He lost that fight, that's for sure. If there is anyone who thinks that he didn't lose this fight, please, explain, I'll be more than glad. My eyes clearly saw on ESPN+ that Ngannou was dominating the match and did more punches than Fury.
Punch stats from compubox show Ngannou threw more punches but Fury landed more in total. There are only 3 rounds where Francis landed more with 1 round even. If counting only power punches then he had more over Fury https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-compubox-punch-stats--178829

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Fury would probably want to do it again since the result was the perfect set up for a rematch. The prospect of regaining his reputation from winning dominantly and getting more money from that is too good to pass up.

He underestimated Francis but he'll fight smarter and put on a clinic next time.
But why is there rematch because in rematch maybe Fury will lose and this will be really great first fight for Francis Ngannou so in the future when they meet again I believe Francis Ngannou can make Fury fall more quickly.
If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.
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