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Quote from: notblox1 on October 30, 2023, 11:35:39 AM

I watched the fight and I have to say that refs ruined good event with that split decision win.
Francis Ngannou was amazing in his first pro boxing fight and he even knocked down Fury, so I dont see how Fury won this fight with busted face and average performance.
Fury didnt expect such a good performance from Ngannou, and maybe he was thinking more about his next boxing fight against Usyk.
Ngannou maybe lost on paper but he won for people, and I know poor Dana White was sad about his great performance Grin

Many people are of the opinion that decisions are corrupt and decisions are bought to win over booked fighters, I already had a bad feeling that if Ngannou didn't get the knockout then he had a small chance of winning via the referee's decision announcement, my guess was confirmed at the winner announcement session and they not caring about the many audience responses who disagree with this decision.

Ngannou the winner is more deserving of that fight even though they are not taking sides for him, we are also the referees who judge the points from the far side and we also have the right to declare the real winner of the fight.

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Francis Ngannou just left a real dent on the sport of Boxing after the weekends match, and Tyson Fury's ego and winning record should be dented by now because the people's choice says Tyson lost .
Had it not been for that 96-93 scorecard that saw the decider go to the wire by a split decision, Francis would have been the winner...and the organisers should be feeling guilty by now because they know it too.

Btw talk about the knockdown, bruised face, black eye and all other highlights of this match..all point in the direction of a Francis Ngannou win, and hope they find a way to correct this blunder.

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I watched the fight and I have to say that refs ruined good event with that split decision win.
Francis Ngannou was amazing in his first pro boxing fight and he even knocked down Fury, so I dont see how Fury won this fight with busted face and average performance.
Fury didnt expect such a good performance from Ngannou, and maybe he was thinking more about his next boxing fight against Usyk.
Ngannou maybe lost on paper but he won for people, and I know poor Dana White was sad about his great performance Grin

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I never gave Francis Ngannou a chance against Tyson Fury not because he is not strong or because he has no fighting experience but because he is a super star in UFC and this is a boxing match against the present best heavy weight boxer in the world that is undefeated so logically I felt the task was too much for him.

Going into the game Francis Ngannou was the under dog definitely but as the fight proceeded he was amazing, all the training he had with ex world heavy weight champion Mike Tyson definitely paid off as he not only had a good match but also knocked down Tyson Fury and I like millions of people are surprised that the judges gave the decision in favor of Tyson fury. Francis has nothing to do but to carry his head high and I think if he wants to transition into being a boxer he would do very well.

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Quote from: Distinctin on October 30, 2023, 07:55:42 AM

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If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.

I believe a rematch wouldn't be an issue for these two fighters, considering the highly competitive bout they put on. This is likely to gain the fans' interest even more, and I think both of them will stand to earn a more significant sum compared to their previous fight. It was reported that Fury made $50 million, while Francis earned $10 million, if I recall correctly. So, in a rematch, they might collectively make a total of $100 million or evermore. Nowadays, reputation takes a back seat to the primary goal of boxers, which is money. They've already satisfied the fans, making it easier to market a rematch.

If they are going to have a rematch Ngannou should have an equal share of the profit like 60/40 he delivers more than what people have expected of him while Fury's performance was nowhere compared to his performance when he fought Wilder.
If they do a rematch I see Ngannou as the favorite to win the rematch, he can take Fury's punches while Fury has a hard time with Ngannou's punches, it's just so unusual for Fury, a boxer doing the thing MMA doing like holding too much and wrestling Ngannou, he should be ashamed with himself.

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However, I believe we should watch the Fury vs. Usyk fight first. Grin

After the Fury = Ngannou fight, Usyk showed confidence that he could beat Fury I've seen both their interview and Usyk wants the December 23 match to happen whereas Fury's promoter wants it next year, obviously to recuperate from Fury's embarrassment.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 30, 2023, 08:41:07 AM

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I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

Yes, I also agree, perhaps Fury thought that Francis is a very easy opponent, although there is a chance for Francis to hit him with power, perhaps he was confidence that he will not simply go down specially he has face the power of Deontay Wilder before. But he was very wrong because once Francis landed, Fury's eye was very different after that. And it's funny now that after that fight, he says that he always thought that Ngannou was a dangerous opponent than Usyk? What? How can he be very dangerous when he is not a boxer himself?

It just shows by this statement that Fury is very arrogant and doesn't shows respect to his opponents and he was indeed very lucky that because of boxing corruption, he was declared by winner.

as of right now Ngannou is not ranked, but he has proven he can compete with the top-level boxers, they were in talks with Wilder as rumored. and so is Fury vs Usyk which is scheduled this Dec 23. Fury is in such a hurry, he knows he is in decline and may not be able to make millions after one loss but if he has to lose, at least to someone who is above him like Usyk.

i watched some interviews that he wasn't talking Ngannou seriously so not much training he did. but maybe he knows the org is on his side regardless of how the fight came about. so many people shouting that Ngannou was robbed. less he cares.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 30, 2023, 08:41:07 AM

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I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

Yes, I also agree, perhaps Fury thought that Francis is a very easy opponent, although there is a chance for Francis to hit him with power, perhaps he was confidence that he will not simply go down specially he has face the power of Deontay Wilder before. But he was very wrong because once Francis landed, Fury's eye was very different after that. And it's funny now that after that fight, he says that he always thought that Ngannou was a dangerous opponent than Usyk? What? How can he be very dangerous when he is not a boxer himself?

It just shows by this statement that Fury is very arrogant and doesn't shows respect to his opponents and he was indeed very lucky that because of boxing corruption, he was declared by winner.

Fury didn't see that coming and have huge confidence that he can able to defeat Ngannou because he has more experience than his opponent in terms of matches. But unfortunately for him his opponent show some solid performance and totally he's been knock off. This event create a huge noise on the scene since no one really expect that Fury will lose on this fight but shit happens and Ngannou proves that he's not easy as other people think.

He's name is all over the news so for sure for Ngannou will earn a lot of respect from legends and boxing fans around the world. For sure we can see more fights coming from Ngannou side and his win against Fury is huge step for him to became more famous on this sports.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 30, 2023, 08:13:37 AM

Quote from: Natalim on October 30, 2023, 07:34:41 AM

I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

Yes, I also agree, perhaps Fury thought that Francis is a very easy opponent, although there is a chance for Francis to hit him with power, perhaps he was confidence that he will not simply go down specially he has face the power of Deontay Wilder before. But he was very wrong because once Francis landed, Fury's eye was very different after that. And it's funny now that after that fight, he says that he always thought that Ngannou was a dangerous opponent than Usyk? What? How can he be very dangerous when he is not a boxer himself?

It just shows by this statement that Fury is very arrogant and doesn't shows respect to his opponents and he was indeed very lucky that because of boxing corruption, he was declared by winner.

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Quote from: Distinctin on October 30, 2023, 07:55:42 AM

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If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.

I believe a rematch wouldn't be an issue for these two fighters, considering the highly competitive bout they put on. This is likely to gain the fans' interest even more, and I think both of them will stand to earn a more significant sum compared to their previous fight. It was reported that Fury made $50 million, while Francis earned $10 million, if I recall correctly. So, in a rematch, they might collectively make a total of $100 million or ever more. Nowadays, reputation takes a back seat to the primary goal of boxers, which is money. They've already satisfied the fans, making it easier to market a rematch.

Both are open for it. Ngannou is already setting the stage this early with his social media taunts but there seems to be no response from Fury or his team yet because they probably still feel the humiliation hehe.

I've already said it before that the bigger bag is a huge factor but I'm pretty confident his reputation is as important for Fury for the rematch.

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However, I believe we should watch the Fury vs. Usyk fight first. Grin

Yes he is next. Fury also said it.
I'm not really interested but Usyk's team can use the result of this fight to their advantage. This could turn out to be a bigger PPV and gate than the previous estimates..

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That was a disappointing fight and what the hell was with that decision, so weird and fucked up. Plus that end, it's like there's no sportsmanlike behavior on Fury. The corruption of the boxing federations has to stop because it's not doing the fighters and the people who support boxing any favors, they're just lining their pockets now and not caring about the quality of fights. Ngannou's the winner of the people, that's what's important.

I guess, he will never escape and he found a bigger one

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Quote from: Natalim on October 30, 2023, 07:34:41 AM

I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

Agree but i think Fury performance against Francis is a result of his over-confidence and i do think that if the Usyk fight will be scheduled, he will train seriously and work hard to have a better performance than that of the Francis fight. On the other hand, Usyk should forget that Fury was having a bad night against Francis as the latter is a different beast if fared against a quality opponent.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 30, 2023, 07:38:02 AM

If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.

I believe a rematch wouldn't be an issue for these two fighters, considering the highly competitive bout they put on. This is likely to gain the fans' interest even more, and I think both of them will stand to earn a more significant sum compared to their previous fight. It was reported that Fury made $50 million, while Francis earned $10 million, if I recall correctly. So, in a rematch, they might collectively make a total of $100 million or ever more. Nowadays, reputation takes a back seat to the primary goal of boxers, which is money. They've already satisfied the fans, making it easier to market a rematch.

However, I believe we should watch the Fury vs. Usyk fight first. Grin

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Quote from: Synchronice on October 30, 2023, 06:03:52 AM

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He lost that fight, that's for sure. If there is anyone who thinks that he didn't lose this fight, please, explain, I'll be more than glad. My eyes clearly saw on ESPN+ that Ngannou was dominating the match and did more punches than Fury.

Punch stats from compubox show Ngannou threw more punches but Fury landed more in total. There are only 3 rounds where Francis landed more with 1 round even. If counting only power punches then he had more over Fury https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-vs-francis-ngannou-compubox-punch-stats--178829

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Fury would probably want to do it again since the result was the perfect set up for a rematch. The prospect of regaining his reputation from winning dominantly and getting more money from that is too good to pass up.

He underestimated Francis but he'll fight smarter and put on a clinic next time.

But why is there rematch because in rematch maybe Fury will lose and this will be really great first fight for Francis Ngannou so in the future when they meet again I believe Francis Ngannou can make Fury fall more quickly.

If there are people like you who thinks Fury should not have a rematch because he'll likely lose then the more reason he should do it. People would also think he's running away from Ngannou and I don't see him as the guy that will let his reputation be tarnished like that.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 30, 2023, 07:15:12 AM

As a boxing fan or a neutral you have to give credit to Ngannou but if that is all Fury has left in him then Usyk could win their unification fight if their Fury vs Usyk on 23rd December 2023 goes ahead.

Then that would make the betting more exciting. As of this site https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-vs-usyk-odds-picks

The betting odds are as follows.

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Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk Betting Odds
Fighter   Odds
Tyson Fury   -260
Oleksandr Usyk   +190
Odds as of Sept. 29

I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

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I have my suspicions about the bout too. Ngannou took the fight to Fury and absolutely stunned him and it was a close fight but it is difficult to accept Fury won the fight. Either is should have been a draw or a victory for Ngannou .

I have no idea why Fury refused to hit with trademark combinations, maybe he expected Ngannou to get tired as the fight went on and it did not happen until the very end. As a boxing fan or a neutral you have to give credit to Ngannou but if that is all Fury has left in him then Usyk could win their unification fight if their Fury vs Usyk on 23rd December 2023 goes ahead.

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 28, 2023, 06:53:59 PM

Wow, Francis shocked everyone. There's no way Tyson won that one. I think a draw would have been more appropriate but if we're being fair Ngannou probably edged it with the knockdown but the judges were never gonna give him it. Funny how both Tyson and Frank were adamant that the Usyk fight was gonna be on the 23rd December but they've now changed their tune. I really hope Francis goes pro in boxing cos if he can go ten rounds with Fury and score a knockdown he can do anything. I'm sure lots of big boxers will be wanting the big money fight with Francis now. I'm not sure Tyson will want it again or not anytime soon.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 03:23:33 AM

I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

I don't know what to say, Fury said that he wasn't taking fight with Ngannou lightly and was training for a war but at the same time I think that he didn't take Ngannou seriously and didn't train for this fight. By the way, his face when you almost got knocked out, showed that he was very surprised and wasn't expecting such a resistance from Ngannou.

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And Fury really take the fight lightly and just wanted to win by decision. Maybe he really felt the power of Francis, but now the decision is controversial as majority thinks that Fury lost this fight.

Yes, it's a win, but if you look at Fury's record, first time that he won a fight by Split Decision (SD).

He lost that fight, that's for sure. If there is anyone who thinks that he didn't lose this fight, please, explain, I'll be more than glad. My eyes clearly saw on ESPN+ that Ngannou was dominating the match and did more punches than Fury.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 05:21:26 AM

We all know how sometimes Fury isnt mentally stable, and I hope that this fight did not make any influence on him. Fury must admin he did not take his opponent seriously and did all that only for money, otherwise that fact that he has lost to a boxing newcomer will eat him for a very long time. But, if not mistaken, Fury left the event without giving a post fight conference. Which makes me think that the result of the fight actually pulled some strings in his head.

I hope that after such a disgrace, Fury will not start doing what he does best - avoiding a difficult fight and we will still see a unification fight. But if now he has realized that he needs to seriously get in shape, then it seems to me that it is too late - even if the fight is in January, he simply does not have time for this.
And I would also be interested to know how the bookmakers’ opinions have changed after what everyone saw in the fight with Ngannou. I can suggest that Fury is still the favorite, but the odds for Usyk’s victory will be modest.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 03:23:33 AM

I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

I am as surprised as you but I don't want to believe that the match was fixed. Ngannou did served Fury some hot punches. Assuming it was UFC fight, with a kneel kick from Ngannou, Fury would have landed in ICU already.

Now there are speculations that Ngannou is planning a match with Anthony Joshua. Even though this has not been confirmed, if it ever happens, I smell a rage filled match that will see Ngannou unleashing hell on Joshua in other to save his career.

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We all know how sometimes Fury isnt mentally stable, and I hope that this fight did not make any influence on him. Fury must admin he did not take his opponent seriously and did all that only for money, otherwise that fact that he has lost to a boxing newcomer will eat him for a very long time. But, if not mistaken, Fury left the event without giving a post fight conference. Which makes me think that the result of the fight actually pulled some strings in his head.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 03:23:33 AM

I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

Usyk's promoter has put it very nicely,

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Krassyuk believes Fury had taken Ngannou very lightly by focusing too much on the big payday he received for the bout and not focusing enough on training camp,

"Everyone, including Usyk, did not give much chance to Ngannou. But the man has shocked the world. Fury underestimated his opponent. Arrogance, lack of discipline, and thirst for money lead to these kind of circumstances. But we have December 23 inked and Fury cannot escape that," Krassyuk told Sky Sports.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-promoter-on-furys-performance-arrogance-lack-discipline-thirst-money--178857

Yeah, most likely he did underestimate Ngannou here and looking past him already as his mind is set to Fury fighting Usyk this December with the huge money in the table. Unfortunately, Frank Warren already says that the December fight might not happen.

And Fury really take the fight lightly and just wanted to win by decision. Maybe he really felt the power of Francis, but now the decision is controversial as majority thinks that Fury lost this fight.

Yes, it's a win, but if you look at Fury's record, first time that he won a fight by Split Decision (SD).

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