Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 - page 8.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 30, 2023, 07:15:12 AM

As a boxing fan or a neutral you have to give credit to Ngannou but if that is all Fury has left in him then Usyk could win their unification fight if their Fury vs Usyk on 23rd December 2023 goes ahead.

Then that would make the betting more exciting. As of this site https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-vs-usyk-odds-picks

The betting odds are as follows.

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Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk Betting Odds
Fighter   Odds
Tyson Fury   -260
Oleksandr Usyk   +190
Odds as of Sept. 29

I'm certain that the outcome of Fury's fight could lead to some changes in the odds. Usyk might shift from being a heavy underdog to a slight underdog. However, I believe Fury will still be the favorite, even if he doesn't hold the most belts.

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I have my suspicions about the bout too. Ngannou took the fight to Fury and absolutely stunned him and it was a close fight but it is difficult to accept Fury won the fight. Either is should have been a draw or a victory for Ngannou .

I have no idea why Fury refused to hit with trademark combinations, maybe he expected Ngannou to get tired as the fight went on and it did not happen until the very end. As a boxing fan or a neutral you have to give credit to Ngannou but if that is all Fury has left in him then Usyk could win their unification fight if their Fury vs Usyk on 23rd December 2023 goes ahead.

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 28, 2023, 06:53:59 PM

Wow, Francis shocked everyone. There's no way Tyson won that one. I think a draw would have been more appropriate but if we're being fair Ngannou probably edged it with the knockdown but the judges were never gonna give him it. Funny how both Tyson and Frank were adamant that the Usyk fight was gonna be on the 23rd December but they've now changed their tune. I really hope Francis goes pro in boxing cos if he can go ten rounds with Fury and score a knockdown he can do anything. I'm sure lots of big boxers will be wanting the big money fight with Francis now. I'm not sure Tyson will want it again or not anytime soon.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 03:23:33 AM

I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

I don't know what to say, Fury said that he wasn't taking fight with Ngannou lightly and was training for a war but at the same time I think that he didn't take Ngannou seriously and didn't train for this fight. By the way, his face when you almost got knocked out, showed that he was very surprised and wasn't expecting such a resistance from Ngannou.

Quote from: TravelMug on October 30, 2023, 04:51:08 AM

And Fury really take the fight lightly and just wanted to win by decision. Maybe he really felt the power of Francis, but now the decision is controversial as majority thinks that Fury lost this fight.

Yes, it's a win, but if you look at Fury's record, first time that he won a fight by Split Decision (SD).

He lost that fight, that's for sure. If there is anyone who thinks that he didn't lose this fight, please, explain, I'll be more than glad. My eyes clearly saw on ESPN+ that Ngannou was dominating the match and did more punches than Fury.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 05:21:26 AM

We all know how sometimes Fury isnt mentally stable, and I hope that this fight did not make any influence on him. Fury must admin he did not take his opponent seriously and did all that only for money, otherwise that fact that he has lost to a boxing newcomer will eat him for a very long time. But, if not mistaken, Fury left the event without giving a post fight conference. Which makes me think that the result of the fight actually pulled some strings in his head.

I hope that after such a disgrace, Fury will not start doing what he does best - avoiding a difficult fight and we will still see a unification fight. But if now he has realized that he needs to seriously get in shape, then it seems to me that it is too late - even if the fight is in January, he simply does not have time for this.
And I would also be interested to know how the bookmakers’ opinions have changed after what everyone saw in the fight with Ngannou. I can suggest that Fury is still the favorite, but the odds for Usyk’s victory will be modest.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 03:23:33 AM

I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

I am as surprised as you but I don't want to believe that the match was fixed. Ngannou did served Fury some hot punches. Assuming it was UFC fight, with a kneel kick from Ngannou, Fury would have landed in ICU already.

Now there are speculations that Ngannou is planning a match with Anthony Joshua. Even though this has not been confirmed, if it ever happens, I smell a rage filled match that will see Ngannou unleashing hell on Joshua in other to save his career.

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We all know how sometimes Fury isnt mentally stable, and I hope that this fight did not make any influence on him. Fury must admin he did not take his opponent seriously and did all that only for money, otherwise that fact that he has lost to a boxing newcomer will eat him for a very long time. But, if not mistaken, Fury left the event without giving a post fight conference. Which makes me think that the result of the fight actually pulled some strings in his head.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2023, 03:23:33 AM

I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

Usyk's promoter has put it very nicely,

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Krassyuk believes Fury had taken Ngannou very lightly by focusing too much on the big payday he received for the bout and not focusing enough on training camp,

"Everyone, including Usyk, did not give much chance to Ngannou. But the man has shocked the world. Fury underestimated his opponent. Arrogance, lack of discipline, and thirst for money lead to these kind of circumstances. But we have December 23 inked and Fury cannot escape that," Krassyuk told Sky Sports.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-promoter-on-furys-performance-arrogance-lack-discipline-thirst-money--178857

Yeah, most likely he did underestimate Ngannou here and looking past him already as his mind is set to Fury fighting Usyk this December with the huge money in the table. Unfortunately, Frank Warren already says that the December fight might not happen.

And Fury really take the fight lightly and just wanted to win by decision. Maybe he really felt the power of Francis, but now the decision is controversial as majority thinks that Fury lost this fight.

Yes, it's a win, but if you look at Fury's record, first time that he won a fight by Split Decision (SD).

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I must say that I am speechless. Either the fight was fake from the very beginning, or Fury was under something. Otherwise I cant explain why he ate most of what Ngannou gave him. If that is the real king, then he will be in huge troubles in a fight against Usyk. In that fight I did not see any technics from Fury. Or Ngannou tricked him, he has expected close range fight, while Francis shot a lot from the distance.

P.S. Such a shameful fight for Fury...

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on October 29, 2023, 04:09:35 PM

It was really a surprise that Francis Ngannou is able to take Tyson Fury's heavy punches and is able to fight Tyson Fury toe to toe. I have Ngannou winning on that fight and the best result for Fury is a draw. This simply show how corrupt the boxing judging system is. The result is very disappointing but of course boxers and audience have to accept it.

A rematch is really needed on this one and probably next time Ngannou will be declared the winner(if the fight comes into a decision). to make the need for another fight to milk more money to the viewers.

He should not have become overhyped after he knocked him down because it clearly gave Tyson some seconds to recover, he should have taken the opportunity to finish him with multiple power punches after the knockdown. But he didn't finish him and lost that fight because he didn't totally knock him out. when you are the challenger, you should aim for the knockout and not gonna give your opponent to chance to give the judges the decision because most of the time, they will just simply snatch the win from you and this is boxing also this is not the first time this is happened.

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I’ll admit I didn’t watch the full fight so I probably shouldn’t even make this comment, but I did see plenty of clips and it seemed to me like Tyson Fury lost this fight. What is it that I’m missing. Are all the highlights of the fight tilted to make Francis look like he did better than he did? Is there anyone who thinks Tyson Fury won this fight?

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Quote from: xLays on October 29, 2023, 09:32:10 PM

The result of this fight should be similar to Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman, where Manny Pacquiao knocked down Keith Thurman in the 1st round. Fury did well in most of the other rounds, but knocking down Fury in the 3rd round must be considered the deciding moment, as Fury has never inflicted that much damage on Francis.

Certainly there will be a rematch and hopefully with 12 rounds and fight for a belt.

I don't think we can compare to Manny Pacquiao vs Keith Thurman fight though. Both are boxers, Manny is old and Keith Thurman is still at this prime during that time. But Manny did surprised us by knocking down the young Thurman and then winning on the judges card.

Here, Fury was the biggest favorite, and If I'm not mistaken, Ngannou is like 8:1 or 7:1 underdog. What surprises us here is that Francis looks good at boxing as we all know that he comes from the MMA background.

As for the immediate rematch, there's none. Of course we wanted to see it again, but Fury confirmed that there's no rematch clause and that he will go to Usyk as they have sign the contract already.

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That's a big wow. Francis can box. Unlike all the other MMA fighters who tried boxing, Ngannou is the only one who didn't come out embarrassing himself. He didn't look like a clown. He knew how to throw jabs, double jabs. He could float like Fury himself, change stance in the middle of the fight, etc. If only he had even one tune-up fight before facing Fury, he could have performed better and won.

What I noticed though, like other MMA fighters entering boxing, is that he had an open mouth early on. He also wasn't able to capitalize on the knockdown. He didn't have a number of combinations in his arsenal. But he can very well box.

Congratulations to Fury but credits to Ngannou as well not only for giving Tyson a run for his money but also for showing a great fight. He deserves all the accolades. A big shout out to his team as well for preparing him well in his boxing debut, not against anybody else but the Gypsy King Tyson Fury.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on October 29, 2023, 04:09:35 PM

It was really a surprise that Francis Ngannou is able to take Tyson Fury's heavy punches and is able to fight Tyson Fury toe to toe. I have Ngannou winning on that fight and the best result for Fury is a draw. This simply show how corrupt the boxing judging system is. The result is very disappointing but of course boxers and audience have to accept it.

A rematch is really needed on this one and probably next time Ngannou will be declared the winner(if the fight comes into a decision). to make the need for another fight to milk more money to the viewers.

Except it there was a knockout it would be very difficult for the judges to give the fight to Francis Ngannou. It would have been a great distortion of recent boxing history for an unknown boxer to beat a heavyweight champion. I knew they would seek means to at least give Tyson Fury a draw. But making him the winner made the broad day robbery clearer and the entire boxing world is in great shock. Even Fury knew he didn't deserve the win because he was not bragging about the victory and he shawored praises on his opponent.

But I am motivated by the comments of the Cameroonian-French boxer. He said he was happy and going to come back better. This is the mentality of a future champion, putting the past behind and looking forward to a better future. Almost everyone is asking for a rematch and Ngannou said he is going back to work harder and that he would be ready for the fight at anything time.

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The result of this fight should be similar to Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman, where Manny Pacquiao knocked down Keith Thurman in the 1st round. Fury did well in most of the other rounds, but knocking down Fury in the 3rd round must be considered the deciding moment, as Fury has never inflicted that much damage on Francis.

Certainly there will be a rematch and hopefully with 12 rounds and fight for a belt.

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Quote from: babygun on October 29, 2023, 04:06:07 PM

Didn’t see the fight but saw some highlights and it seemed like a good fight. I think Fury underestimated Ngannou and with him a lot of people but Ngannou proved us all wrong. Can not comment if Ngannoj deserved the win but honestly I am happy that Fury won in the end. He is one of my favorite boxers and it will be a good fight versus Uysk!

I was rooting for Francis but didn't think he stood a chance, this guy is the definition of inspirational. I'll never question a thing he says again, man is a behemoth that could do anything he puts his mind to. Boxing handing him the loss to save face only does boxing a disservice, imagine the hype if they'd give him his win.
He's a breath of fresh air and genuine competition and now boxing fans are supposed to go back to what? Fury v Usyk? this is literally why the sport is on it's last legs, the swamp needs draining of corrupt promoters, this fight was rigged.

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It was really a surprise that Francis Ngannou is able to take Tyson Fury's heavy punches and is able to fight Tyson Fury toe to toe. I have Ngannou winning on that fight and the best result for Fury is a draw. This simply show how corrupt the boxing judging system is. The result is very disappointing but of course boxers and audience have to accept it.

A rematch is really needed on this one and probably next time Ngannou will be declared the winner(if the fight comes into a decision). to make the need for another fight to milk more money to the viewers.

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Didn’t see the fight but saw some highlights and it seemed like a good fight. I think Fury underestimated Ngannou and with him a lot of people but Ngannou proved us all wrong. Can not comment if Ngannoj deserved the win but honestly I am happy that Fury won in the end. He is one of my favorite boxers and it will be a good fight versus Uysk!

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I am one of the people that believed that Ngannou was robbed of a win, and the fact that the refs were there to protect Fury and boxing as a name, was the main reason why Fury even won. They didn't want some MMA fighter who hasn't fought in a long time to come in and take on the world boxing champion and beat him, they wanted to just keep the boxing name clear and make sure they are doing fine.

But lately it has been getting more and more common for other fighting division champions to give their best towards boxing champions and it looks as if that boxing is not doing all that well against other style of fighters.

Ngannou did amazingly, even with a knock down or two, and he was much better one without a doubt, didn't even let Fury rest and hug all fight long, he was clearly much stronger and his punches was a lot harder and hurt Fury a lot more, whereas Fury just circled all fight long and didn't really do all that well, didn't had any proper punches that rocked Ngannou at all.

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Quote from: Oasisman on October 29, 2023, 07:29:00 AM

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but Ngannou still lost the fight. I'm not a boxing expert, but I think Ngannou was the fighter who most deserved to win this fight. It's funny that before this fight started, the odds were 1.09 in favor of Tyson Fury, I actually laughed a lot when I saw this odds, but when I watch the highlights of the fight, I keep asking myself why the bookmakers put odds of 1.09 for tyson fury and during the fight, things were not going well for tyson fury, it was a fight in which tyson fury was being put under pressure, the bookmakers were very wrong

Everyone will automatically make assumptions as Fury as the heavy favourite to win the fight simply because boxing is his field and he is the HW champ against Ngannou who just about to have his first professional boxing match. So, that explains why.
But then again, Ngannou stunned Fury when he knocked him down. Clearly, Fury underestimated Ngannou that he didn't prepared much for this fight as he is a bit out of shape compared to his previous fights. It could be embarrassing for a HW champ to lose on someone who just had his first boxing match. So, again, I understand why the outcome, but Ngannou deserved a win for this fight.

BTW, overall the match was pretty close. Fury landed more jabs while Ngannou kept pressuring and landed nice power shots. The knockdown that he scored against Fury was nice aswell BUT it also showed how tough Fury is. He ate that shot and got back up, didnt become wobbly nor slow down after it (even tho it was quite early in thr fight).

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 29, 2023, 12:32:02 PM

I don't think many boxers are going to be afraid of Francis Ngannou. On the contrary, even if he is not the champion, he will be one of the most sought boxers because of what he show in this fight. I mean he stand with Fury, knocking him down in round 3 and almost steal this one.

And with that, the hype is very high on Francis right now that any B-level fighter is willing to go and fight him with a good paycheck. And imagine if it will be Wilder or Zhang or AJ, that will make Francis and his opponent good money. So I'm expecting as early as next year we will witnessed Francis and his trainer Mike Tyson be back in action with some HW name fighters.

It seems to me that Ngannou fought this fight very well, but Ngannou in this fight, had only one chance to win - to knock out Fury, in any other case the judges would have given the victory to Fury, which is what happened. The fight is a show, such an entertainment in Saudi Arabia, each of the fighters received their fees, and it seems to me that everyone should be happy with the outcome, except that Ngannou really wanted to win and prove his superiority, but for this it was necessary to act more decisively when In the third round it was necessary not allow Fury to recover.

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