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Quote from: Sterbens on March 03, 2023, 04:25:39 AM

Actually I don't want to say they are a team of clowns now, but their performance compels me to say that they really have become clowns now. In my opinion they can still answer the criticisms that are coming at them now, one of which is by beating Borussia Dortmund in the second leg later. Indeed, that alone will not be able to change the view of those who have played poorly this season, but it can be a motivation for their players to be able to continue to improve their performance for the rest of the season.

If Chelsea are able to defeat Borussia Dortmund in the second leg in his own home game, yes it will indeed be a huge motivation for Chelsea players. But now there are still many people who are not sure that Chelsea are able to do that in the second leg, after all Borussia Dortmund also looks better now so that it makes many people more confident that Borussia Dortmund is able to win at home to Chelsea even though the host team can also give Unexpected surprises in the second leg later.

Even if Chelsea lose, Chelsea's chances are far more than dortmund. But dortmund was smarter in taking advantage of their meager chances and producing goals.In the first leg, Chelsea wasted many opportunities.
But looking at Chelsea's performance in leg 1, there is still hope in the meeting in leg 2. As long as they can play aggressively and maximize the opportunities they have, they are sure they can make a comeback at Stamford Bridge.

Chelsea is incapable of winning the match and they will not qualify to the next round. Chelsea has been a weakly since the beginning of this season and I don't think that winning their last match in their league has made them strong and in form. We all saw how they manage to draw matches and lost to even smaller clubs in their league. The players hasn't been changed, neither has the coach been changed,they will still mess up their match against Dortmund in Stamford bridge. Dortmund has a big advantage over them since they win the first leg and Chelsea is in an inconsistent state at the moment. Chelsea is a team that do take over ball possessions but they will end up losing the match

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 03, 2023, 05:53:47 AM

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Actually I don't want to say they are a team of clowns now, but their performance compels me to say that they really have become clowns now. In my opinion they can still answer the criticisms that are coming at them now, one of which is by beating Borussia Dortmund in the second leg later. Indeed, that alone will not be able to change the view of those who have played poorly this season, but it can be a motivation for their players to be able to continue to improve their performance for the rest of the season.

If Chelsea are able to defeat Borussia Dortmund in the second leg in his own home game, yes it will indeed be a huge motivation for Chelsea players. But now there are still many people who are not sure that Chelsea are able to do that in the second leg, after all Borussia Dortmund also looks better now so that it makes many people more confident that Borussia Dortmund is able to win at home to Chelsea even though the host team can also give Unexpected surprises in the second leg later.

Even if Chelsea lose, Chelsea's chances are far more than dortmund. But dortmund was smarter in taking advantage of their meager chances and producing goals.In the first leg, Chelsea wasted many opportunities.
But looking at Chelsea's performance in leg 1, there is still hope in the meeting in leg 2. As long as they can play aggressively and maximize the opportunities they have, they are sure they can make a comeback at Stamford Bridge.

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Quote from: rendravolt on March 03, 2023, 07:14:47 AM

This week Chelsea will face small teams in the domestic league and that could be a reference in the second leg later against Dortmund if Chelsea manage to win the game. But indeed, even though against a small team, I still doubt that Chelsea can win with the attack line they currently have, moreover, their midfield is also not very creative, so the ball flow often stops. I think the next 2 matches of Chelsea will be the determinant of Potter's next fate to handle Chelsea this season.

Chelsea against Leeds United in domestic league tomorrow days and could be reference and capital against Dortmund on second leg, actually Chelsea still have inconsistent performance in Primer League and Dortmund keep on the winning trend, seems have more confidence for Dortmund facing Chelsea on second leg because winning first leg become great capital and will play full defensive on Stanford Bridge.

Dortmund have against heavy team in domestic league before against Chelsea, I think Leipzig top fourth team position in Bundesliga and Dortmund keep priority with full team in both matches later in domestic league and champion league match.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on March 03, 2023, 04:05:13 AM

I’m confident Dortmund wil give everything in the second leg meeting with Chelsea to get at least a draw because in this situation Dortmund have more advantage over Chelsea going into this game as Chelsea will have to step up their attacking and get more goals to be able to eliminate Dortmund.

Dortmund has aggregate as its first advantage. Even though some main players of dortmund will not able to play against chelsea and i think that even with secondary squads and dortmund will able to beat easily in the stamford bridge. Chelsea is not having a performing in the same level as mediocre team. I expect an easy match for dortmund against chelsea. Potter ball is actually BS strategy. Chelsea is also losing some important backs like azpi, thiago. That means chelsea will not have strong back to protect its keeper.
In my opinion as long as dortmund can always keep chelsea to play at the middle and then chelsea will make zero shot on goal against dortmund.
Chelsea is not a very bad club even in EPL. Even a club that placed at the bottom standing of EPL can beat chelsea with cleansheet.

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Quote from: rendravolt on March 03, 2023, 07:14:47 AM

This week Chelsea will face small teams in the domestic league and that could be a reference in the second leg later against Dortmund if Chelsea manage to win the game. But indeed, even though against a small team, I still doubt that Chelsea can win with the attack line they currently have, moreover, their midfield is also not very creative, so the ball flow often stops. I think the next 2 matches of Chelsea will be the determinant of Potter's next fate to handle Chelsea this season.

Even though they are a small team, with Chelsea at the moment they are a balanced team. So it is natural that many doubts come to them, especially this is the Champions League where all the teams here are more motivated to beat each other. I agree with you that in the week of the Premier League it might be a reference to see how Chelsea is doing before holding the second leg match.

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It is indeed not surprising that Chelsea's performance has not improved against spurs in their previous domestic league matches and this week they will face a much better prepared Dortmund in the second leg of the UCL, whereas Chelsea I think they will not be able to do anything even though they host the match later.

Coach Graham Potter is the figure most responsible for Chelsea's performance so far and as long as he has been coaching there have been no results that have satisfied the Stamford Bridge public. Potter's dismissal must be done immediately so that Chelsea can achieve maximum results again, even though they will have to be eliminated in the UCL.

I think that Potter himself wants this, but the attacking line is clearly in a crisis from which they need to be brought out. In the first match against Dortmund, Chelsea played well, so I think they still have a good chance of reaching the quarter-finals. They need to start scoring goals, they have good players, great potential but they need to get through these difficult times. I think Chelsea can beat Dortmund at home.

This week Chelsea will face small teams in the domestic league and that could be a reference in the second leg later against Dortmund if Chelsea manage to win the game. But indeed, even though against a small team, I still doubt that Chelsea can win with the attack line they currently have, moreover, their midfield is also not very creative, so the ball flow often stops. I think the next 2 matches of Chelsea will be the determinant of Potter's next fate to handle Chelsea this season.

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 03, 2023, 05:53:47 AM

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Actually I don't want to say they are a team of clowns now, but their performance compels me to say that they really have become clowns now. In my opinion they can still answer the criticisms that are coming at them now, one of which is by beating Borussia Dortmund in the second leg later. Indeed, that alone will not be able to change the view of those who have played poorly this season, but it can be a motivation for their players to be able to continue to improve their performance for the rest of the season.

If Chelsea are able to defeat Borussia Dortmund in the second leg in his own home game, yes it will indeed be a huge motivation for Chelsea players. But now there are still many people who are not sure that Chelsea are able to do that in the second leg, after all Borussia Dortmund also looks better now so that it makes many people more confident that Borussia Dortmund is able to win at home to Chelsea even though the host team can also give Unexpected surprises in the second leg later.

The match between Chelsea and Borussia Dortmund will be competitive. Because whichever team secures the victory will be one step ahead. Expect the coaches of both teams to come up with great strategies. Still I'm putting Chelsea ahead.

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Quote from: Sterbens on March 03, 2023, 04:25:39 AM

Actually I don't want to say they are a team of clowns now, but their performance compels me to say that they really have become clowns now. In my opinion they can still answer the criticisms that are coming at them now, one of which is by beating Borussia Dortmund in the second leg later. Indeed, that alone will not be able to change the view of those who have played poorly this season, but it can be a motivation for their players to be able to continue to improve their performance for the rest of the season.

If Chelsea are able to defeat Borussia Dortmund in the second leg in his own home game, yes it will indeed be a huge motivation for Chelsea players. But now there are still many people who are not sure that Chelsea are able to do that in the second leg, after all Borussia Dortmund also looks better now so that it makes many people more confident that Borussia Dortmund is able to win at home to Chelsea even though the host team can also give Unexpected surprises in the second leg later.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on March 03, 2023, 01:15:28 AM

I can't even be patience to see that chelsea will be playing like mediocre club again at stamford bridge. Seeing how chelsea was playing football this time was pretty must the same as seeing clown dancing. Since potter was making chelsea get so many loses and i have been losing my respect for that club. A club that was winning UCL a 2020/2021 has become a clown club right now. I wonder how long the bad performance of chelsea will be happening.

Im sure that dortmund will be kicking chelsea's ass from UCL. Chelsea is a mediocre team that has very small chance to go to the last 8. Chelsea won't make it.

I think that this is the most interesting match compared with another match.

Actually I don't want to say they are a team of clowns now, but their performance compels me to say that they really have become clowns now. In my opinion they can still answer the criticisms that are coming at them now, one of which is by beating Borussia Dortmund in the second leg later. Indeed, that alone will not be able to change the view of those who have played poorly this season, but it can be a motivation for their players to be able to continue to improve their performance for the rest of the season.

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Quote from: bering on March 02, 2023, 04:13:03 AM

Actually Dortmund conditions also is not so different because some of their important key players still got injured but the difference is Dortmund can managed this situation and they can able to performing stable and for this match in my opinion Dortmund probably will attempts not to concede a goal and probably they will aiming draw result

Despite the odds, I’m confident Dortmund wil give everything in the second leg meeting with Chelsea to get at least a draw because in this situation Dortmund have more advantage over Chelsea going into this game as Chelsea will have to step up their attacking and get more goals to be able to eliminate Dortmund.

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I can't even be patience to see that chelsea will be playing like mediocre club again at stamford bridge. Seeing how chelsea was playing football this time was pretty must the same as seeing clown dancing. Since potter was making chelsea get so many loses and i have been losing my respect for that club. A club that was winning UCL a 2020/2021 has become a clown club right now. I wonder how long the bad performance of chelsea will be happening.

Im sure that dortmund will be kicking chelsea's ass from UCL. Chelsea is a mediocre team that has very small chance to go to the last 8. Chelsea won't make it.

I think that this is the most interesting match compared with another match.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 02, 2023, 05:58:42 PM

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Chelsea could not even make a single goal against soton and how can chelsea make a single goal against dortmund? What is needed by chelsea is not a chemistry caused by it's still impossible to build it in a short time but as you said that chelsea needs only luck.Liverpool has no chance since it will be playing in santiago bernabeu. It will be even worst compared with the first leg. Chelsea is also losing in its agregate. I see that no chance for chelsea go wake up during the next match against dortmund in the stamford bridge.

Manchester city is also having a chance to lose against leipzig in home. Manchester city the only EPL team that in a better position. I guess that chelsea, liverpool and totemham will be going home after second leg.

I am a Dortmund fan but we have had times this season when we have struggled ourselves. I am saying that for Chelsea to have any chance that members here are talking about they need Dortmund to have 1 of their bad days but Chelsea would need 1 of their best days. I am saying even if Dortmund play bad Chelsea are going to find it difficult any way. I do not think they will progress to the next stage I think they will be knocked out and Manchester City will be the only English team let in the competition.

One thing about any football club that is performing poor is that its fans will always be hopeful that something good would happen in the next match. At the end of the day nothing new will happen other than they will also lose.
Majority of Chelsea fans are of the opinion that Chelsea will magically defeat Dortmund even in the first half because they know that it is important for them to qualify for the next round of Champions League. This is as if Dortmund does not consider it important to qualify. Also. This is a match between a struggling club and an inform club
So, dortmund has better opportunity to qualify than Chelsea.

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Quote from: shogun47 on March 02, 2023, 09:48:26 PM

I agree with you and I get your point, but from a strategic point of view I actually wonder whether it would be better to bring on Mbappe for the first half instead of the second half. I know he was brought on in the 57th minute, but he could have probably also played the first 45. The game is a lot different because Bayern can't push forward as much as their defense is much more prone to successful high speed counter attacks due to Mbappe.

Your argument about Mbappé is absolutely correct. Because it is very challenging to put a counter-attacking specialist player like Mbappe on the bench against a team like Bayern Munich. However, the coach did not keep him on the bench. Due to his injury problems, the coach kept him on the bench. And Mbappe was brought on in the 57th minute when he saw the team on the brink of disaster. But Mbappe wanted to play from the start.

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Once Bayern had their goal in the 53rd minute, they didn't feel the need anymore to push as hard. They could then put much more attention on their defense and in particular on Mbappe. If it starts from zero and they are kept busy an entire half-time defending Mbappe, the game could perhaps have gone a different way. Maybe Mbappe could have scored or caused defenders to get yellow cards and other advantages for PSG.

If Mbappe was physically fit, we might have seen him on the field from the starting eleven. Since he had an injury, the coach didn't want to take any chances with him. However, if Mbappé had been in the starting XI, Bayern Munich's coach would have had to form a separate team just to prevent Mbappé's counter-attack. As a result, the defense could not play in midfield, and PSG would attack one after another against Bayern Munich and the match would go in their favor.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on March 02, 2023, 02:00:26 PM

Their problem in the first leg was the lack of attacking ability to take every chance they had and I'm sure they will realize that. And in this second leg they have the chance to improve on that, it's their home game. Chelsea will have the full support of their fans, so that should provide additional motivation for them to be able to present the best results in this game.

The problem in chelsea has not solved yet and im feeling so doubt about the performance from chelsea in the second leg. I meant i can't deny the fact that if the club can comeback anytime but it must be noted that as long as the problems already solved. There is so many bad news that came for chelsea and it's not solved yet by the club. Potter like did nothing for sure. He was always telling fans to be patience for the club to get its best performance again but how long? If chelsea will not able to make more than 1 goals and clean sheet against dortmund and chelsea will be eliminated from UCL.

It's not the thing that is wanted by the majority of chelsea supporters. Romano has been starting to talk about enrique's comeback to the professional club.

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/03/02/chelsea-fc-news-fabrizio-romano-on-luis-enrique/

I hope that once chelsea loses against leeds, potter will be sacked. Chelsea has no choice other than sack potter.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 02, 2023, 05:50:06 PM

Chelsea have to get lucky and hope Dortmund have 1 of their worst games of the season but I cannot see it happening. Dortmund are too good and Chelsea are the worst team along with liverpool that are still in the Champions League. I think both Liverpool and Chelsea get knocked out in the 2nd leg and Manchester City will be the only remaining English team.

Chelsea still has a chance to beat Dortmund, especially when at first leg Dortmund's can only win by a narrow score, but the problem is whether Potter has finished with all the experiments on who will be his starting line-up, he doesn't even know the players who can contribute to his team every game, maybe 50% or more he always changes the main line-up is that good? been at Chelsea for months but it didn't give what was expected, Chelsea only had a 28% win rate that was far below Tuchel managers who's they sacked who had a 50% win rate. https://www.90min.com/posts/graham-potter-chelsea-record-compared-sacked-premier-league-manager

Liverpool not only have to fight but need a miracle and they have several times got miracles in the Champions League but will this time a miracle also happen so that they can qualify and actually get rid of Real Madrid who have a chance of qualifying more than 70% in my opinion. And these two Premier League teams really need a miracle.

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I don't know how badly injured Mbappe was, but what is odd is that they waited until the 57th minute before they brought on Mbappe for Zaire-Emery. Just a couple of days later they let him play the full 90 minutes in Ligue 1. Did they think they can beat Bayern with less effort?

When Mbappe came on the whole game changed. But that is normal because the guy is unstoppable in many game situations. He also didn't make the impression as if he felt bad or still injured. If they had the possibility to bring him on right from the start then this was clearly the wrong decision to put him on the bench.

Now it is a game away and Bayern is hard to beat in their own stadium. Still the game isn't over yet and it is just one goal. That's not too hard to achieve if Mbappe is playing the full distance.

Sort of? I mean basically it was about the fact that he was barely recovering at that moment, he was fine but they didn't want to force him and injure him further, which is why they didn't play him right away. After that game he was fine and he played 90 minutes to get back to match shape, but that game was basically his return from injury, you don't play someone 90 minutes when they are returning from injury.

So, they assumed that maybe it will be fine without him playing 90 minutes, it was probably always intention to bring him in eventually unless they are winning by a large margin (or losing by large margin) and they just did it a bit earlier than they imagined because they were losing 1-0.

I agree with you and I get your point, but from a strategic point of view I actually wonder whether it would be better to bring on Mbappe for the first half instead of the second half. I know he was brought on in the 57th minute, but he could have probably also played the first 45. The game is a lot different because Bayern can't push forward as much as their defense is much more prone to successful high speed counter attacks due to Mbappe.

Once Bayern had their goal in the 53rd minute, they didn't feel the need anymore to push as hard. They could then put much more attention on their defense and in particular on Mbappe. If it starts from zero and they are kept busy an entire half-time defending Mbappe, the game could perhaps have gone a different way. Maybe Mbappe could have scored or caused defenders to get yellow cards and other advantages for PSG.

This is really a consideration that just came to my mind. Why bring a player from injury only when you are already 0-1 down and the opponent can then defend highly concentrated?

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Chelsea could not even make a single goal against soton and how can chelsea make a single goal against dortmund? What is needed by chelsea is not a chemistry caused by it's still impossible to build it in a short time but as you said that chelsea needs only luck.Liverpool has no chance since it will be playing in santiago bernabeu. It will be even worst compared with the first leg. Chelsea is also losing in its agregate. I see that no chance for chelsea go wake up during the next match against dortmund in the stamford bridge.

Manchester city is also having a chance to lose against leipzig in home. Manchester city the only EPL team that in a better position. I guess that chelsea, liverpool and totemham will be going home after second leg.

I am a Dortmund fan but we have had times this season when we have struggled ourselves. I am saying that for Chelsea to have any chance that members here are talking about they need Dortmund to have 1 of their bad days but Chelsea would need 1 of their best days. I am saying even if Dortmund play bad Chelsea are going to find it difficult any way. I do not think they will progress to the next stage I think they will be knocked out and Manchester City will be the only English team let in the competition.

In the first leg Chelsea created more chances than Dortmund. Just that they had all their good attempts saved by G. Kobel, Chelsea still have a high chance of turning things around to their own advantage in the second leg. Dortmund are not as good as Chelsea made them seem in the first leg the second leg might have things turn positive for Chelsea. As for Liverpool they have lost their chance. If they couldn't secure their lead at Anfield, Santiago Bernabeu won't be a funny experience for them either.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 02, 2023, 05:58:42 PM

Quote from: makishart on March 02, 2023, 05:57:01 PM

Chelsea could not even make a single goal against soton and how can chelsea make a single goal against dortmund? What is needed by chelsea is not a chemistry caused by it's still impossible to build it in a short time but as you said that chelsea needs only luck.Liverpool has no chance since it will be playing in santiago bernabeu. It will be even worst compared with the first leg. Chelsea is also losing in its agregate. I see that no chance for chelsea go wake up during the next match against dortmund in the stamford bridge.

Manchester city is also having a chance to lose against leipzig in home. Manchester city the only EPL team that in a better position. I guess that chelsea, liverpool and totemham will be going home after second leg.

I am a Dortmund fan but we have had times this season when we have struggled ourselves. I am saying that for Chelsea to have any chance that members here are talking about they need Dortmund to have 1 of their bad days but Chelsea would need 1 of their best days. I am saying even if Dortmund play bad Chelsea are going to find it difficult any way. I do not think they will progress to the next stage I think they will be knocked out and Manchester City will be the only English team let in the competition.

The ongoing play from Chelsea gives such an overview, and they're in a very bad situation losing three matches in a row and two drawn in its last five matches. Dortmund is in good position winning all the matches. Many important players out of the team due to injury too a reason for the situation of Chelsea. It is unknown whether the players will make a comeback as the return is unknown.

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Quote from: makishart on March 02, 2023, 05:57:01 PM

Chelsea could not even make a single goal against soton and how can chelsea make a single goal against dortmund? What is needed by chelsea is not a chemistry caused by it's still impossible to build it in a short time but as you said that chelsea needs only luck.Liverpool has no chance since it will be playing in santiago bernabeu. It will be even worst compared with the first leg. Chelsea is also losing in its agregate. I see that no chance for chelsea go wake up during the next match against dortmund in the stamford bridge.

Manchester city is also having a chance to lose against leipzig in home. Manchester city the only EPL team that in a better position. I guess that chelsea, liverpool and totemham will be going home after second leg.

I am a Dortmund fan but we have had times this season when we have struggled ourselves. I am saying that for Chelsea to have any chance that members here are talking about they need Dortmund to have 1 of their bad days but Chelsea would need 1 of their best days. I am saying even if Dortmund play bad Chelsea are going to find it difficult any way. I do not think they will progress to the next stage I think they will be knocked out and Manchester City will be the only English team let in the competition.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 02, 2023, 05:50:06 PM

Chelsea have to get lucky and hope Dortmund have 1 of their worst games of the season but I cannot see it happening. Dortmund are too good and Chelsea are the worst team along with liverpool that are still in the Champions League. I think both Liverpool and Chelsea get knocked out in the 2nd leg and Manchester City will be the only remaining English team.

Chelsea could not even make a single goal against soton and how can chelsea make a single goal against dortmund? What is needed by chelsea is not a chemistry caused by it's still impossible to build it in a short time but as you said that chelsea needs only luck.Liverpool has no chance since it will be playing in santiago bernabeu. It will be even worst compared with the first leg. Chelsea is also losing in its agregate. I see that no chance for chelsea go wake up during the next match against dortmund in the stamford bridge.

Manchester city is also having a chance to lose against leipzig in home. Manchester city the only EPL team that in a better position. I guess that chelsea, liverpool and totemham will be going home after second leg.

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