UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season - page 542.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 19, 2023, 10:03:44 AM

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Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

in the first leg if Dortmund can get a positive result with a win. it will be easy enough for them to survive in the second leg even though in terms of quality Chelsea should be superior.
but if in the first leg, Dortmund has left behind or even with a draw. it will be bad for Dortmund to play in the second leg.
although both teams are currently also in a less good trend. but Chelsea seems to be able to show the quality of their best game later.

Dortmund facing Chelsea right now I don't think they will find it difficult to get a win in the first leg of their match because right now Dortmund's performance is way better than the performance of Chelsea this season, Dortmund and Chelsea is having a bad time but I think Dortmund still has what it takes to get the first win compared to Chelsea team that has struggled so much in their League irrespective of the new players that have been brought to the team I still believe the team have good and bad side this season but Dortmund is in a better position to win right now.

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Quote from: Distraction on January 19, 2023, 03:19:28 PM

There is an interesting situation like this:

- Dortmund are favoured by bookmakers for the first leg - 2.52 against 2.64. It is a small gap but still.

- Meanwhile Chelsea are favoured by them again for reaching the next stage - 1.57 against 2.25.

This is pushing me to think like Dortmund will resist in the first leg but we might be likely to see a draw and see both teams scoring. But in Stamford Bridge Chelsea can finish the deal by a decent win. I still don't expect a big score gap there also considering Chelsea's current condition. I just expect them to eliminate Dortmund anyway especially when we think of what they did to Milan in the group stage. I see Dortmund and Milan being at similar levels in the Champions League recently.

In this match I don't know why I'm still so doubtful about these two teams.
Regardless of anything, this match is still quite long, but seeing their current condition actually makes me a little doubtful about who will win.
They still have to put in more effort with their current condition even though these two teams are good teams and are regulars in the Champions League, this still doesn't change the fact that this season they are still pretty bad.

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Quote from: BALIK on January 18, 2023, 10:03:30 PM

Real Madrid is undoubtedly the favorite team in Liverpool vs Real Madrid match. Because Liverpool is not in good form now. But don't forget that this is the Champions League platform. Be prepared for any surprises. Real Madrid is in good form and they are in a good enough position now. Even then we cannot say for sure that Real Madrid will win. Last season we saw strong teams like Bayern Munich lose against Villarreal. And so if Real Madrid thinks they can beat Liverpool easily, they are making a big mistake. The match will certainly be competitive.

PSG was the favourites against Real last year, so was City and so was Liverpool, what happened in those games? Real beat them all and got the title anyway. Which proves that they know being the favourite doesn't mean anything, you could end up losing anyway. I believe that Liverpool is not the favourites but they do have a chance to win no matter what.

This is why I am not going to write them off this easily. Yes, they had a bad year at premier league, and not even a good year at UCL to be frank, but I feel like one good game could bring them back up again. This is why it's quite important to keep one eye open on their games coming to Real Madrid game, to see if they are any better or not.

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There is an interesting situation like this:

- Dortmund are favoured by bookmakers for the first leg - 2.52 against 2.64. It is a small gap but still.

- Meanwhile Chelsea are favoured by them again for reaching the next stage - 1.57 against 2.25.

This is pushing me to think like Dortmund will resist in the first leg but we might be likely to see a draw and see both teams scoring. But in Stamford Bridge Chelsea can finish the deal by a decent win. I still don't expect a big score gap there also considering Chelsea's current condition. I just expect them to eliminate Dortmund anyway especially when we think of what they did to Milan in the group stage. I see Dortmund and Milan being at similar levels in the Champions League recently.

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Quote from: maju69 on January 19, 2023, 11:22:56 AM

I can't say whether Chelsea can show their best game in this match or not, because as we know their performance in the Premier League cannot be expected. But I can't rule out the possibility, maybe Chelsea will show something different, so will Borussia Dortmund. Maybe in the end they will beat each other at home, in the first leg and second leg. Their current odds I think have the same odds.

The performance of both teams in the domestic league may be a factor in the analysis before betting something on the match, but usually the Champions League is very different. Chelsea and Dortmund both have chances to win and qualify for the quarter-finals regardless of whether they will take advantage of their home match or not.

I would prefer to see Chelsea to the quarter-finals than Dortmund, but who knows. Dortmund are also a good team to get there or maybe to the semi-finals, but I don't think either of them will get to the final this season.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 19, 2023, 10:03:44 AM

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Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

in the first leg if Dortmund can get a positive result with a win. it will be easy enough for them to survive in the second leg even though in terms of quality Chelsea should be superior.
but if in the first leg, Dortmund has left behind or even with a draw. it will be bad for Dortmund to play in the second leg.
although both teams are currently also in a less good trend. but Chelsea seems to be able to show the quality of their best game later.

I can't say whether Chelsea can show their best game in this match or not, because as we know their performance in the Premier League cannot be expected. But I can't rule out the possibility, maybe Chelsea will show something different, so will Borussia Dortmund. Maybe in the end they will beat each other at home, in the first leg and second leg. Their current odds I think have the same odds.

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Manchester City are favoured very highly for the Champions League title now - 2.70. Even their biggest rivals have 7.50 odds according to bookmakers. These teams are seen as Bayern Munich and PSG. These are all things on paper of course. Because for example Manchester City have been shown among the top contenders for the title for a long time. But they still haven't got any. After the Haaland transfer many people (including me) started to believe in their championship more than before.

Maybe Leipzig aren't one of the biggest threats. But I'm looking forward to seeing how they perform against the top rivals in this tournament. They have been out-of-form a little these days but there are still four weeks until the Leipzig match. This is good enough time for them to improve their effort.

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If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea

Some of big clubs were performing the worst. Chelsea has been performing even worst compared with Liverpool. Liverpool and Chelsea gonna try so hard to make sure if both will be qualified for the next round. Chelsea may a bit lucky compared with city caused by Chelsea must have faced Dortmund and do know that so well if dortmund was not as good as real Madrid in the UCL. You can't compare Liverpool and Chelsea. Both may in the worst situation but liverpoll was getting so many disadvantages against real madrid. That's caused by when you are trying to see the head to head between real against Liverpool and you will know about the fact

Indeed, the fact that Real Madrid's head to head against Liverpool is no longer in doubt, Real Madrid is far superior to Liverpool. But I will focus on talking about Chelsea at the moment, they spent up to 421 million euros in the current transfer market and if they fail to go to the next round against Dortmund then it looks like it will be a waste of money, considering that amount of money not a little.

Chelsea has become the main concern of so many parties recently. Chelsea has been buying so many players but none of them have been showing good performance. Even a new player like felix was getting a red card too. Dortmund was also facing a similar thing to Chelsea but the problem is dortmund was selling so many of its key players while Chelsea was adding more players to the club. The situation between both was actually different where Chelsea has more advantage compared with Dortmund.
The match between both is very difficult to be predicted. I will pick chelsea in this match. I think that Chelsea is a bit superior compared with Dortmund.

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Quote from: Awaklara on January 19, 2023, 10:03:44 AM

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Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

in the first leg if Dortmund can get a positive result with a win. it will be easy enough for them to survive in the second leg even though in terms of quality Chelsea should be superior.
but if in the first leg, Dortmund has left behind or even with a draw. it will be bad for Dortmund to play in the second leg.
although both teams are currently also in a less good trend. but Chelsea seems to be able to show the quality of their best game later.

It is true that Chelsea has more Champions League experience than Dortmund and they are expected to beat Dortmund and qualify for the next round of the Champions League but there will be problem with Chelsea if they continue to experience injury players and inconsistency.
It Chelsea good midfielders did not come back before that Dortmund match they will find it difficult because Jude Bellingham will possess the midfield for them

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Even though the analysis is like that, we know Liverpool have performed better in the Champions League this season. Their performance looks good even though in the Premier League they lost so many points. It's tough against Real Madrid, it's hard to expect Liverpool to win, but I think Liverpool also have a chance to win it.

Real Madrid has more experience than Liverpool in the Champions League. The Madrid team is very stable. And this team has been able to maintain consistency this season. They are doing very well in both La Liga and the Champions League. And their coach Ancelotti is very experienced. I think if Real Madrid's main striker Benzema doesn't get injured, it won't be difficult to win against Liverpool. However, if Benzema is not with the squad, it will be difficult for Real Madrid to win against Liverpool.

I know Real Madrid have a series of Champions League titles that have won so far but it is possible that Liverpool will lose this season, we are still trying to do our best and Klopp will be mentally ready when this competition starts I am sure that some players will has been brought to Anfield there will be a little more changes in the current season even though we in the English league still don't have a consistent appearance but believe me when the Champions League starts all the teams will be ready with their best game.

So Real Madrid only relies on one player, Benzema. If he doesn't play for the team, will Real Madrid be weak? what about the other great players? Shocked

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on January 19, 2023, 09:03:33 AM

Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

in the first leg if Dortmund can get a positive result with a win. it will be easy enough for them to survive in the second leg even though in terms of quality Chelsea should be superior.
but if in the first leg, Dortmund has left behind or even with a draw. it will be bad for Dortmund to play in the second leg.
although both teams are currently also in a less good trend. but Chelsea seems to be able to show the quality of their best game later.

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In knockout games, each team has a chance against each, and even the favorites are forced to overcome in order to achieve a result. For example, last season it's hard to call City's victory over Atlético easy, although Atlético turned into an already rather sad team and it seemed that City would easily defeat them. And this is possible in any pair. If we take a pair of Real Madrid - Liverpool, then I consider Real Madrid to be the undisputed favorite, but the result is not guaranteed to anyone.

Real Madrid is undoubtedly the favorite team in Liverpool vs Real Madrid match. Because Liverpool is not in good form now. But don't forget that this is the Champions League platform. Be prepared for any surprises. Real Madrid is in good form and they are in a good enough position now. Even then we cannot say for sure that Real Madrid will win. Last season we saw strong teams like Bayern Munich lose against Villarreal. And so if Real Madrid thinks they can beat Liverpool easily, they are making a big mistake. The match will certainly be competitive.

The nuance is that bookmakers think differently. They rate Real Madrid's chance of reaching the quarter-finals at 2.04 and Liverpool at 1.69. It's just ridiculous given the number of failures Liverpool have had throughout the season. Real Madrid had only one unsuccessful match against Barcelona (and that was only the Super Cup). I don't even know what to wish for - for Real to turn the quotes in the first game in Liverpool or for Liverpool to win in the first game so i will get the opportunity to bet on Real with very high odds.

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Quote from: rendravolt on January 19, 2023, 04:18:58 AM

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Indeed, there is currently a lot of speculation circulating before the match starts and it is very reasonable knowing how the head to head of the two will be. Performance in the regular league sometimes cannot be used as a reference for other competitions such as the UCL and of course Liverpool should not be underestimated even though their record was quite bad when they met Real Madrid. But for sure I will be very happy if Liverpool can give their best performance when they meet Real Madrid later in the UCL round of 16 later, of course this will be a good mood booster for each fan to see their favorite team doing well.

It is precisely their performance in the Domestic League that is our reference for assessing their matches when playing the Champions League. just imagine, Liverpool has 38 matches in its Domestic League just like the other teams that follow in this competition. at least, Liverpool have a long match and they must still appear consistent. plus, having matches in various other competitions.

For the Champions League, in addition to performance factors that must support, they also need high luck. that is why, Manchester City and PSG have not been able to win the title in this competition. even though, they have the depth of the game that has especially on the front lines. unfortunately, luck has not been on their side to win the championship trophy in this competition.

Well, because Liverpool's performance is very unstable, sometimes they play well sometimes they are very underperforming. all Klopp has to do is improve his team's performance, after that hoping for luck on their side when they host Real Madrid in the first leg.

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Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on January 19, 2023, 08:38:55 AM

In fact, these two teams are teams that are currently in a slump this season, but if you look at the output of the two teams, of course, Chelsea is still the favorite to beat Dortmund.

Definitely, Chelsea have to be favorites in a CL game against Borussia Dortmund, Chelsea have more history in the tournament and they are a bigger team than the German club, thus i expect Chelsea to advance to the QF of the champions league, but tbh i don't think they will get past that stage of the competition.

Having said that, Chelsea have made a couple of panic buys in this January winter transfer window, most of their new players are yet to play for the club, thus i can't say what their impact in the team is going to be, but hopefully for Chelsea fans it can yield the desired results. Whilst i don't think Dortmund would be a threat to the blues, overall i don't think Chelsea would be too successful this season.

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Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on January 19, 2023, 08:38:55 AM

So far, Chelsea's performance in the Premier League has not been optimal. Mudryk's arrival is expected to improve Chelsea's performance, especially with several transfers made by Chelsea.

Sorry but in the past with about $100M, clubs can buy players who won Ballon d'Or and made their names in World Cup and Euro tournaments. Nowadays, they bought $100M players but I don't know who they are and how they play. When I saw such transfer news, I have to Google, Youtube to find videos about those players.

I did not know who is Mudryk before his transfer to Chelsea. Weird to buy him at $100M, it's so expensive and money wasting.

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But against Dortmund I don't think it will be too difficult for Chelsea because Dortmund this season has also been very bad and they haven't started to come back like Chelsea did.

In fact, these two teams are teams that are currently in a slump this season, but if you look at the output of the two teams, of course, Chelsea is still the favorite to beat Dortmund.

Chelsea are like Manchester United a few seasons ago. They got crisis and lost their plans for transfers and over paid for transfers to buy players who have yet demonstrated their quality too well. Because they have high demand, when they ask other clubs to buy players, they receive abnormal high offers. Like Manchester United bought Maguire at very expensive transfer price.

Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

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If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea

Some of big clubs were performing the worst. Chelsea has been performing even worst compared with Liverpool. Liverpool and Chelsea gonna try so hard to make sure if both will be qualified for the next round. Chelsea may a bit lucky compared with city caused by Chelsea must have faced Dortmund and do know that so well if dortmund was not as good as real Madrid in the UCL. You can't compare Liverpool and Chelsea. Both may in the worst situation but liverpoll was getting so many disadvantages against real madrid. That's caused by when you are trying to see the head to head between real against Liverpool and you will know about the fact

Indeed, the fact that Real Madrid's head to head against Liverpool is no longer in doubt, Real Madrid is far superior to Liverpool. But I will focus on talking about Chelsea at the moment, they spent up to 421 million euros in the current transfer market and if they fail to go to the next round against Dortmund then it looks like it will be a waste of money, considering that amount of money not a little.

Mudryk's entry is expected to be able to bring new changes to Chelsea, because previously Chelsea had also spent fantastic funds but were considered a failure because they could not compete in the EPL.
The good news is that Dortmund, who will be Chelsea's first opponent in the round 16 of the UCL, has also experienced a decline in performance compare to last season.

Chelsea has more qualified core players, but still that doesn't guarantee win will be in their favor. What is clear is that the meet between the two will be even more exciting

So far, Chelsea's performance in the Premier League has not been optimal. Mudryk's arrival is expected to improve Chelsea's performance, especially with several transfers made by Chelsea.
But against Dortmund I don't think it will be too difficult for Chelsea because Dortmund this season has also been very bad and they haven't started to come back like Chelsea did.

In fact, these two teams are teams that are currently in a slump this season, but if you look at the output of the two teams, of course, Chelsea is still the favorite to beat Dortmund.

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Even though Liverpool have experienced a rather severe decline in performance in the English Premier League, I am still pretty sure that when Liverpool play against Real Madrid in the Champions League, it looks like Liverpool will be able to play well. Because when a team plays in the Champions League, even though they are not the favorite team, it often happens that the unfavorable teams can play well and maybe beat the favorite team.
So yes, talking about results in the Champions League is basically a difficult result to predict, because they will give everything they have to get a good result.

In knockout games, each team has a chance against each, and even the favorites are forced to overcome in order to achieve a result. For example, last season it's hard to call City's victory over Atlético easy, although Atlético turned into an already rather sad team and it seemed that City would easily defeat them. And this is possible in any pair. If we take a pair of Real Madrid - Liverpool, then I consider Real Madrid to be the undisputed favorite, but the result is not guaranteed to anyone.

I would agree with you that Liverpool's form might be declining in recent time in the English Premier League that during the Champions League they could also find their good form and perform to less expectation of many. But where the problem lies is that Liverpool is playing against Real Madrid. Real Madrid is considered the most favourite in the Champions League. So for you to be able to deal with them you must be at your best form, no gambling.

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Quote from: rendravolt on January 18, 2023, 02:05:06 PM

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If u say this about Liverpool what then will you say about Chelsea who is in worst form than Liverpool? As far as Europe competition is consent I don't look little at any EPL team who makes it up to the round of 16.
Liverpool like you say has a bad result in EPL competitions but as far as the champions league, Klopp and his boys will fight with their last blood. Same as Chelsea

Some of big clubs were performing the worst. Chelsea has been performing even worst compared with Liverpool. Liverpool and Chelsea gonna try so hard to make sure if both will be qualified for the next round. Chelsea may a bit lucky compared with city caused by Chelsea must have faced Dortmund and do know that so well if dortmund was not as good as real Madrid in the UCL. You can't compare Liverpool and Chelsea. Both may in the worst situation but liverpoll was getting so many disadvantages against real madrid. That's caused by when you are trying to see the head to head between real against Liverpool and you will know about the fact

Indeed, the fact that Real Madrid's head to head against Liverpool is no longer in doubt, Real Madrid is far superior to Liverpool. But I will focus on talking about Chelsea at the moment, they spent up to 421 million euros in the current transfer market and if they fail to go to the next round against Dortmund then it looks like it will be a waste of money, considering that amount of money not a little.

Mudryk's entry is expected to be able to bring new changes to Chelsea, because previously Chelsea had also spent fantastic funds but were considered a failure because they could not compete in the EPL.
The good news is that Dortmund, who will be Chelsea's first opponent in the round 16 of the UCL, has also experienced a decline in performance compare to last season.

Chelsea has more qualified core players, but still that doesn't guarantee win will be in their favor. What is clear is that the meet between the two will be even more exciting

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Quote from: rendravolt on January 19, 2023, 04:18:58 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on January 19, 2023, 12:53:54 AM

It's right to give reference from the record, but sometimes I pay little attention to head-to-head reasons especially when it comes to two hungry teams like Liverpool and Real Madrid. If A team that has always been on a top standing, and is well known in a particular league is bent on poor performance due to one factor or the other, there is every tendency that such a team can pull a surprising win at any time. So I don't see little on Liverpool's side until the match is being played.

Indeed, there is currently a lot of speculation circulating before the match starts and it is very reasonable knowing how the head to head of the two will be. Performance in the regular league sometimes cannot be used as a reference for other competitions such as the UCL and of course Liverpool should not be underestimated even though their record was quite bad when they met Real Madrid. But for sure I will be very happy if Liverpool can give their best performance when they meet Real Madrid later in the UCL round of 16 later, of course this will be a good mood booster for each fan to see their favorite team doing well.

Precisely what many people see is their recent performance in the domestic league. Yes, doubts will always arise, especially those whose performance has not improved. Also a meeting record that is more in favor of Real Madrid. I agree with that the meeting record cannot be used as a reference for future matches, nor can their performances change completely at that time. But from all the considerations that exist, there will be many people who see Liverpool's opportunities will not be bigger than Real Madrid.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 19, 2023, 12:53:54 AM

It's right to give reference from the record, but sometimes I pay little attention to head-to-head reasons especially when it comes to two hungry teams like Liverpool and Real Madrid. If A team that has always been on a top standing, and is well known in a particular league is bent on poor performance due to one factor or the other, there is every tendency that such a team can pull a surprising win at any time. So I don't see little on Liverpool's side until the match is being played.

Indeed, there is currently a lot of speculation circulating before the match starts and it is very reasonable knowing how the head to head of the two will be. Performance in the regular league sometimes cannot be used as a reference for other competitions such as the UCL and of course Liverpool should not be underestimated even though their record was quite bad when they met Real Madrid. But for sure I will be very happy if Liverpool can give their best performance when they meet Real Madrid later in the UCL round of 16 later, of course this will be a good mood booster for each fan to see their favorite team doing well.

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