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The bookmarkers don't always get their prediction right and don't forget that something they might be doing this kind of rating on purpose to attract betters. They on purpose give out bad rating to the favorite team, for instance, the game between Liverpool and Real Madrid is having Liverpool as the favorite when we all know, Real Madrid are by far superior.

Agree with you about not all sports bookmarkers not always right in their predicting about which team will qualify to next round or favorite become the winner in UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season. I remember last season with Real Madrid is weakness team and not favorite by all sportsbook after bigger odds given when Real Madrid match against from PSG, Chelsea, Manchester City until final faced with Liverpool.

I don't care about sportsbook if not favorite Real Madrid to win against Liverpool on 16 round but I am optimistic with Madrid will get chance qualify to next round.

Saying Madrid is not in the favorites I agree but when saying Madrid is weak I don't really agree with that.
As for the actual Favorites in recent seasons it has remained the same and Manchester City has obviously always been at the forefront but the problem is as you said not all predictions are right especially for the Champions League. It's not impossible that this season there will be some surprises even though for those who are in the final it's clear that only the top teams will be there.

I don't know why people keep saying real madrid was not even strong. This is also happening since last year but yeah real Madrid was always winning UCL so many times what makes them called that the real madrid club a weak club. that's a very weird statement for me to see that. It seems like those people didn't know how good real Madrid is. Bookies were also underestimating real Madrid at this moment by giving bad odds for Madrid. I don't know why bookies were preferring Liverpool in the upcoming match rather than real madrid. Madrid has a bad odd during the first leg of last 16 against Liverpool.

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Quote from: izsara on January 20, 2023, 05:23:15 PM

Saying Madrid is not in the favorites I agree but when saying Madrid is weak I don't really agree with that.
As for the actual Favorites in recent seasons it has remained the same and Manchester City has obviously always been at the forefront but the problem is as you said not all predictions are right especially for the Champions League. It's not impossible that this season there will be some surprises even though for those who are in the final it's clear that only the top teams will be there.

It's okay to say Real Madrid are not the favorites in the Champions League and maybe that's just for some people, because last season there were those who said so too. But there are a lot of people who already know who won the Champions League last season and I don't think you forget that either. And it doesn't rule out that this season could be repeated again for Real Madrid, even though at this time the Real Madrid team looks a little lethargic and not convincing to win in the Champions League.

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The bookmarkers don't always get their prediction right and don't forget that something they might be doing this kind of rating on purpose to attract betters. They on purpose give out bad rating to the favorite team, for instance, the game between Liverpool and Real Madrid is having Liverpool as the favorite when we all know, Real Madrid are by far superior.

Agree with you about not all sports bookmarkers not always right in their predicting about which team will qualify to next round or favorite become the winner in UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season. I remember last season with Real Madrid is weakness team and not favorite by all sportsbook after bigger odds given when Real Madrid match against from PSG, Chelsea, Manchester City until final faced with Liverpool.

I don't care about sportsbook if not favorite Real Madrid to win against Liverpool on 16 round but I am optimistic with Madrid will get chance qualify to next round.

Saying Madrid is not in the favorites I agree but when saying Madrid is weak I don't really agree with that.
As for the actual Favorites in recent seasons it has remained the same and Manchester City has obviously always been at the forefront but the problem is as you said not all predictions are right especially for the Champions League. It's not impossible that this season there will be some surprises even though for those who are in the final it's clear that only the top teams will be there.

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Between Chelsea and Dortmund, Chelsea's performance is much better. Chelsea is at a fairly good level in the league. On the other hand, Dortmund need a good attacking player now, only then the team will be able to perform well.

I don't think so. You can see chelsea's now placing at the 10th place which means chelsea has a very bad performance in the league compared with dortmund which is placed in a better position. Chelsea has a very bad squad at this moment even though dortmund is also losing some of its players and it must not be a big problem for dortmund. Chelsea may be more superior caused by it has so many outstanding players in the club but not for its performance compared with dortmund. Dortmund has been planned to sign elanga from MU. Elanga may be loaned by MU but i think that it seems like that elanga is not as good as old striker of dortmund.

Chelsea is not better than dortmund, chelseas performance is in the worst start right now. Chelsea had good players but their state of performance is very poor and the way Chelsea is going I doubt if they can really improve their performance even with the good players they have. Dortmund always sell their best players even if they are not in the best state, I see reason for that but Chelsea with good talented players can show up any better performance.

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The way I see how the match is going to play at, I think Chelsea will likely win at Dortmund home while Dortmund will try to get a draw at least but that won't be possible. Chelsea has the highest chance of winning at the Stanford bridge because they are going to be playing in front of their fans and they won't want to disappoint them. People thinking Chelsea is going to be terrible has to realized that this isn't the premier League, this is the Champions League so things might likely play at differently.

The bookmarkers don't always get their prediction right and don't forget that something they might be doing this kind of rating on purpose to attract betters. They on purpose give out bad rating to the favorite team, for instance, the game between Liverpool and Real Madrid is having Liverpool as the favorite when we all know, Real Madrid are by far superior.

I have to agree with the assumption that the Champions League has different interests than every team there is. Chelsea are indeed in a disadvantageous condition in the Premier League, but it looks like they are not allowing conditions to be as bad in the Champions League against Dortmund.

The chance will be equal for both teams, but Chelsea are the favorites over Dortmund in the Champions League. If Haaland was still in Dortmund, then I think Dortmund would be the favourites. I like Chelsea to reach the quarter-finals, but Dortmund for whatever reason will definitely try to give their best to win it. I just don't want to say Chelsea are better, but they are an experienced team in the Champions League.

Chelsea has work to do if they're to win the the game against Dortmund, they have to find them selves today training and loving like Pep Guardiola

Dortmund are great counter attacking side, Chelsea are also an attacking side but don't look like a club to win the Champions League, without having fair treatments. New signatures are being made with the new Chelsea, gradually they'll find themselves.
The Champions League would be live broadcast about it.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 20, 2023, 03:45:12 PM

It is difficult to assess the state of Dortmund, but Chelsea look very weak and in my opinion they are overrated. Tomorrow they play Liverpool and I doubt that we will see a competitive match even though Liverpool itself is weak and unstable. By the way, it's funny that in a pair of Real Madrid - Liverpool, the favorite to reach the next round is Liverpool. I don’t know what is the reason for such a large number of dubious quotes, maybe tomorrow Liverpool will show something special? We will see.

If you say it's excessive in terms of spending money because of spending on their players, I agree with that.
Chelsea's current condition is really not very good and that is a fact that cannot be changed. As for the match against Liverpool, it is clear that this is still fifty-fifty actually because Liverpool have not shown normal conditions for them either. even so there is still at least a few more weeks from now for their preparations to face Dortmund.

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The way I see how the match is going to play at, I think Chelsea will likely win at Dortmund home while Dortmund will try to get a draw at least but that won't be possible. Chelsea has the highest chance of winning at the Stanford bridge because they are going to be playing in front of their fans and they won't want to disappoint them. People thinking Chelsea is going to be terrible has to realized that this isn't the premier League, this is the Champions League so things might likely play at differently.

The bookmarkers don't always get their prediction right and don't forget that something they might be doing this kind of rating on purpose to attract betters. They on purpose give out bad rating to the favorite team, for instance, the game between Liverpool and Real Madrid is having Liverpool as the favorite when we all know, Real Madrid are by far superior.

I have to agree with the assumption that the Champions League has different interests than every team there is. Chelsea are indeed in a disadvantageous condition in the Premier League, but it looks like they are not allowing conditions to be as bad in the Champions League against Dortmund.

The chance will be equal for both teams, but Chelsea are the favorites over Dortmund in the Champions League. If Haaland was still in Dortmund, then I think Dortmund would be the favourites. I like Chelsea to reach the quarter-finals, but Dortmund for whatever reason will definitely try to give their best to win it. I just don't want to say Chelsea are better, but they are an experienced team in the Champions League.

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Things are not good for Chelsea, but Dortmund is a pleasant opponent in that respect. And we must not forget the season in which Chelsea became champions of the CL. It wasn't all that special and good then, but they still made it to the final and also won it against City. That was surprising, but Chelsea have shown that they can go a long way with mediocre football. And the same goes for the season sometime around 2009 when they beat Bayern Munich in the final of and in Munich with a late equalizer from Drogba. The team from then cannot be compared to today, but it does show the possibilities. Dortmund can also use a success once in a while. They really haven't won anything internationally for a long time.

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Between Chelsea and Dortmund, Chelsea's performance is much better. Chelsea is at a fairly good level in the league. On the other hand, Dortmund need a good attacking player now, only then the team will be able to perform well.

The league level between Chelsea and Dortmund is indeed different, but that doesn't mean that Dortmund should be considered worse just because they are in the Bundesliga, because the strikers for the Chelsea team this season have also not been very productive in scoring goals so their is potential that might be surprising for the two when they meet inside Champions League, even though at this point Chelsea have also started bringing in new players into their squad so they can get up for the rest of the season.

So far this season, Chelsea's performance has proven that Things isn't working for Chelsea for a very long time now, that they went into overestimated transfer deals and bought players in prizes they ought not to have, and I see this to be a preparatory measure against the upcoming matches awaiting them. But looking at Borussia Dortmund, I don't see any preparatory measures they have taken, upon their poor performance in the domestic leagues so I don't think it's wrong for one to consider Dortmund the worst.

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Quote from: Distraction on January 19, 2023, 03:19:28 PM

There is an interesting situation like this:

- Dortmund are favoured by bookmakers for the first leg - 2.52 against 2.64. It is a small gap but still.

- Meanwhile Chelsea are favoured by them again for reaching the next stage - 1.57 against 2.25.

This is pushing me to think like Dortmund will resist in the first leg but we might be likely to see a draw and see both teams scoring. But in Stamford Bridge Chelsea can finish the deal by a decent win. I still don't expect a big score gap there also considering Chelsea's current condition. I just expect them to eliminate Dortmund anyway especially when we think of what they did to Milan in the group stage. I see Dortmund and Milan being at similar levels in the Champions League recently.

It is difficult to assess the state of Dortmund, but Chelsea look very weak and in my opinion they are overrated. Tomorrow they play Liverpool and I doubt that we will see a competitive match even though Liverpool itself is weak and unstable. By the way, it's funny that in a pair of Real Madrid - Liverpool, the favorite to reach the next round is Liverpool. I don’t know what is the reason for such a large number of dubious quotes, maybe tomorrow Liverpool will show something special? We will see.

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Quote from: bitgov on January 20, 2023, 08:15:32 AM

Between Chelsea and Dortmund, Chelsea's performance is much better. Chelsea is at a fairly good level in the league. On the other hand, Dortmund need a good attacking player now, only then the team will be able to perform well.

The league level between Chelsea and Dortmund is indeed different, but that doesn't mean that Dortmund should be considered worse just because they are in the Bundesliga, because the strikers for the Chelsea team this season have also not been very productive in scoring goals so there is potential that might be surprising for the two when they meet inside Champions League, even though at this point Chelsea have also started bringing in new players into their squad so they can get up for the rest of the season.

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What you said is true, and the clubs you mentioned really have differences in the Champions League and the domestic league. This may be due to different opponents and also their different readiness in the domestic league and champions league. The pressure that exists will also cause a gap in their game which will later affect their performance in the game.
Several big matches will be presented in the middle of February, I want to see what kind of surprises will be shown in the Champions League this season. Several dark horse clubs will also be interesting to observe, how their journey in the Champions League will be.

In this February, we will have good challenging matches for many big clubs because these are ready for their adventure but how things will be gone nothing is clear with current circumstances few clubs are struggling in their domestic leagues, but we can expect good performance from then in these big games because they are ready for this and have enough quality which will help them for having positive results.

Right now, few matches having good hype about how things will go it could be interesting for the fans and surely things could be changed for these clubs if they are not able to have their desired results specially clubs like PSG and Manchester City are desperately waiting for their success but few other clubs which have quality, skills and game changer players are much better even they are having no luxuries like these two clubs.

But indeed, if we look at it, it is now the 3rd week of January, which means that in less than a month they will be back in the Champions League, several teams have still not made significant changes. Call it Liverpool and Chelsea, who are currently still in a condition that is not too good. Madrid is also one of the defending champions, its condition is a little shaky at the moment which makes it even more interesting whether with the current timeframe they will improve their condition or indeed they will decline even more.
The hope is clear that the Champions match must be decorated with a stunning performance but looking at the current condition of several clubs it looks like this could be a graveyard for the big clubs in the last 16.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 20, 2023, 08:52:20 AM

What you said is true, and the clubs you mentioned really have differences in the Champions League and the domestic league. This may be due to different opponents and also their different readiness in the domestic league and champions league. The pressure that exists will also cause a gap in their game which will later affect their performance in the game.
Several big matches will be presented in the middle of February, I want to see what kind of surprises will be shown in the Champions League this season. Several dark horse clubs will also be interesting to observe, how their journey in the Champions League will be.

I prefer Chelsea over Dortmund, that's because I agree this Premier League team deserved to win and qualify for the quarter-finals.
Even though Chelsea have been poor in the Premier League so far winning only 8/19 of the matches they have played, Chelsea is a team that is likely to be good at the tempo of the game.

Graham Potter was responsible for motivating his players in the match against Dortmund, but now Chelsea must have a good focus on the Premier League against Liverpool, Fulham and West Ham. There is possibility of losing in the next 3 match for Chelsea before meeting with Dortmund, it might be against Liverpool even if they are just as bad at the moment in terms of form.

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Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

in the first leg if Dortmund can get a positive result with a win. it will be easy enough for them to survive in the second leg even though in terms of quality Chelsea should be superior.
but if in the first leg, Dortmund has left behind or even with a draw. it will be bad for Dortmund to play in the second leg.
although both teams are currently also in a less good trend. but Chelsea seems to be able to show the quality of their best game later.

I can't say whether Chelsea can show their best game in this match or not, because as we know their performance in the Premier League cannot be expected. But I can't rule out the possibility, maybe Chelsea will show something different, so will Borussia Dortmund. Maybe in the end they will beat each other at home, in the first leg and second leg. Their current odds I think have the same odds.

Between Chelsea and Dortmund, Chelsea's performance is much better. Chelsea is at a fairly good level in the league. On the other hand, Dortmund need a good attacking player now, only then the team will be able to perform well.

Basically both Chelsea and Dortmund , the two teams have experienced a decline in performance if we use last season as a reference. It's difficult to predict the winner between the two at this time, because the new match will take place some time again, the two teams could make big changes considering the transfer market is still open.

If compared to Dortmund, the Chelsea team can be said to be strong. Chelsea will be favorite in this match. However, the performance of both the teams here is now weak. Their performance has decreased. The performance of Chelsea's attacking players is not good enough. And so it is very difficult for Chelsea to win against Dortmund. Since the first match is Chelsea's home match, Chelsea players will be a bit more confident. And confidence is very important to win these matches.

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Milan are seen as the closest team to the win in their Tottenham match in San Siro. There is a quite big gap between their odds as well.

Normally I would have expected Tottenham to be better than this in the Champions League. Because after seeing their start to this season I had bigger expectations. Conte's system was working like a clockwork. However things started to change not much time later. It reflected on their performance in this tournament as well. They had quite big difficulties in some matches in the group stage. Milan seemed weak against Chelsea but they are given more chance against Tottenham now. There are still a few weeks until the match though. We will see if Tottenham will make improvement. Milan also should do this in their defense.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on January 20, 2023, 09:41:30 AM

The way I see how the match is going to play at, I think Chelsea will likely win at Dortmund home while Dortmund will try to get a draw at least but that won't be possible. Chelsea has the highest chance of winning at the Stanford bridge because they are going to be playing in front of their fans and they won't want to disappoint them. People thinking Chelsea is going to be terrible has to realized that this isn't the premier League, this is the Champions League so things might likely play at differently.

The bookmarkers don't always get their prediction right and don't forget that something they might be doing this kind of rating on purpose to attract betters. They on purpose give out bad rating to the favorite team, for instance, the game between Liverpool and Real Madrid is having Liverpool as the favorite when we all know, Real Madrid are by far superior.

Once again, the game in the Champions League is always different from the domestic league as well as Chelsea maybe as the host later will try to win against Dortmund this is a good opportunity in front of the fans to prove that Chelsea can still win in the chmapion league, this is just my assumption yourself how to judge Chelsea in the champions league later.

Looking from inside the current Chelsea squad is still pretty good because there are several players who have been brought in during this transfer season, so maybe Potter will continue to improve the quality of Chelsea's game going forward to start the change.
Look at the depth of his squad.

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But the performance of the two teams in their respective leagues will be a reference for how likely they will play in the Champions League. We will definitely always see how their last performance is, and that is in their respective leagues. As far as I can see, there is always a difference between their performances in the league and in the Champions League, but it also depends on how they respond to matches in the Champions League. Motivated, it has to do its best here.

Chelsea in the domestic league has looked less consistent and is also not doing well, while Dortmund cannot be judged badly because the matches in the Bundesliga haven't started after the break even though it will work soon for today but not with the Dortmund team. And it could be that these two teams will look more balanced when they meet in the Champions League this season because usually the motivation for each team when competing in the Champions League is far greater than in their respective domestic leagues.

I would say even when the games did not start, it's obvious that Chelsea has an issue and that means there is a chance Dortmund could win this not just because they are good or anything like that, but because Chelsea is in such a big trouble and can't figure out what's the problem. They keep on losing more and more, and that means it's going to be a trouble for them in the long run.

I would bet against Chelsea no matter who they are playing against, doesn't matter who the other team is because other team could be just good or bad, but Chelsea is both good and yet they play bad, which is the trouble, hence I do not think that it's going to be a big issue.

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Dortmund have a bad season too and they will meet Chelsea, another club that is in crisis too. Dortmund have less experience in Champions League than Chelsea and they have less quality players than Chelsea. Chelsea if playing at their full capacity, will win Dortmund but if Chelsea can not play well, they will face risk of losing against Dortmund.

in the first leg if Dortmund can get a positive result with a win. it will be easy enough for them to survive in the second leg even though in terms of quality Chelsea should be superior.
but if in the first leg, Dortmund has left behind or even with a draw. it will be bad for Dortmund to play in the second leg.
although both teams are currently also in a less good trend. but Chelsea seems to be able to show the quality of their best game later.

I can't say whether Chelsea can show their best game in this match or not, because as we know their performance in the Premier League cannot be expected. But I can't rule out the possibility, maybe Chelsea will show something different, so will Borussia Dortmund. Maybe in the end they will beat each other at home, in the first leg and second leg. Their current odds I think have the same odds.

Between Chelsea and Dortmund, Chelsea's performance is much better. Chelsea is at a fairly good level in the league. On the other hand, Dortmund need a good attacking player now, only then the team will be able to perform well.

Basically both Chelsea and Dortmund , the two teams have experienced a decline in performance if we use last season as a reference. It's difficult to predict the winner between the two at this time, because the new match will take place some time again, the two teams could make big changes considering the transfer market is still open.

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Quote from: bitgov on January 20, 2023, 08:15:32 AM

Between Chelsea and Dortmund, Chelsea's performance is much better. Chelsea is at a fairly good level in the league. On the other hand, Dortmund need a good attacking player now, only then the team will be able to perform well.

I don't think so. You can see chelsea's now placing at the 10th place which means chelsea has a very bad performance in the league compared with dortmund which is placed in a better position. Chelsea has a very bad squad at this moment even though dortmund is also losing some of its players and it must not be a big problem for dortmund. Chelsea may be more superior caused by it has so many outstanding players in the club but not for its performance compared with dortmund. Dortmund has been planned to sign elanga from MU. Elanga may be loaned by MU but i think that it seems like that elanga is not as good as old striker of dortmund.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on January 20, 2023, 08:52:20 AM

What you said is true, and the clubs you mentioned really have differences in the Champions League and the domestic league. This may be due to different opponents and also their different readiness in the domestic league and champions league. The pressure that exists will also cause a gap in their game which will later affect their performance in the game.
Several big matches will be presented in the middle of February, I want to see what kind of surprises will be shown in the Champions League this season. Several dark horse clubs will also be interesting to observe, how their journey in the Champions League will be.

In this February, we will have good challenging matches for many big clubs because these are ready for their adventure but how things will be gone nothing is clear with current circumstances few clubs are struggling in their domestic leagues, but we can expect good performance from then in these big games because they are ready for this and have enough quality which will help them for having positive results.

Right now, few matches having good hype about how things will go it could be interesting for the fans and surely things could be changed for these clubs if they are not able to have their desired results specially clubs like PSG and Manchester City are desperately waiting for their success but few other clubs which have quality, skills and game changer players are much better even they are having no luxuries like these two clubs.

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