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January 22, 2023, 12:13:33 PM
City last year, even in games with crisis Atlético experienced problems. They could lose even before they meet Real (if Real go far at all). City have a great squad and probably in a round-robin tournament they would be clear favorites, but in knockout games, how the bookmakers evaluate them is simply ridiculous - the odds for City to win the Champions League are 2.45. In second place is Bayern with a chance of 6.45. Absolute nonsense. City is not so stronger than all the others.

I agree with you. It seems to me that bookmakers simply compare clubs by the value of their players and make their calculations and predictions based on that.
Football is much more complex and unpredictable than that, because if the favorites always won, then Brazil would be the world champion in the last few world cups, and Manchester City and/or PSG would win the Champions League all the time.
We know that Manchester City and PSG still, after investing a lot of time and money, failed to achieve their main goal, to become champions of Europe, and it is obvious that in football money can't buy everything.
I would say that more important than that is the unity in the team, and the physical and mental strength of the players.
That's why I'm again favoring Real this season to win the Champions League.

In tournaments with playoff stage, yes, money can't buy everything (although it can buy a lot). Unfortunately, in round robin tournaments, money bags easily achieve results. Their resource is simply incomparable with other honest clubs. Nevertheless, this season at least (if a terrible thing happens and one of the cheating clubs win the Champions League) one pleasant event will happen: either City or PSG will once again be left without the desired trophy  Grin
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January 22, 2023, 11:31:59 AM
I agree with you. It seems to me that bookmakers simply compare clubs by the value of their players and make their calculations and predictions based on that.
Football is much more complex and unpredictable than that, because if the favorites always won, then Brazil would be the world champion in the last few world cups, and Manchester City and/or PSG would win the Champions League all the time.
We know that Manchester City and PSG still, after investing a lot of time and money, failed to achieve their main goal, to become champions of Europe, and it is obvious that in football money can't buy everything.
I would say that more important than that is the unity in the team, and the physical and mental strength of the players.
That's why I'm again favoring Real this season to win the Champions League.
I agree with you, with the composition of the players currently owned by PSG and also Man City, they should have won the UCL a few years ago, but in fact all of that is not a determinant because there are various factors that make a team successful in becoming a UCL champion

teams like Madrid and Bayern always surprise and these two teams often win the UCL, so without getting rid of Madrid and Bayern it is impossible for another team to win the UCL
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January 22, 2023, 11:08:16 AM
Maybe we can say, who has the most luck, then that team will be the winner in their match later. Because the main reason is that we don't see anything special shown by them in their respective leagues. The two teams tend to be said to be bad with results that are always unsatisfactory when passing week after week.
They have more than 3 weeks to prepare very thoroughly. We'll see who can make good use of the remaining time. I hope the match will not be boring to watch.
Dortmund may have had a better run of form than Chelsea this season. although in the Champions League, we can see our predictions are wrong.
because there is still enough time and several matches before the meeting between the two. I'm sure they will maximize the few matches before the meeting to strengthen their strategy and play. I think the meeting of the two will be interesting. they have almost the same strength. just hope that both of them show their best performance with their best squad too.
The problem facing Chelsea is now very severe, entering the new year Chelsea was immediately hit with a storm of injuries, unfortunately the injured players are core players, so far 10 Chelsea players have been injured, starting from goalkeepers, midfielders and attackers, maybe because this situation makes you so sure dourmount can beat Chelsea in the Champions league, but in my personal opinion even though Chelsea is down but I believe Chelsea can keep up with dourmount's game and I also believe Chelsea can win a ticket to the last eight of the Champions league.

I am one with you. The most serious problem for Chesley now is their injury problem. Several key players are out of the squad due to injuries. As a result, Chelsea's performance is now completely unstable. And with such a performance it is not possible to go far in the Champions League. Chelsea's next match is against Dortmund. So Chelsea must prepare their main squad properly.
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January 22, 2023, 11:07:14 AM
Maybe we can say, who has the most luck, then that team will be the winner in their match later. Because the main reason is that we don't see anything special shown by them in their respective leagues. The two teams tend to be said to be bad with results that are always unsatisfactory when passing week after week.
They have more than 3 weeks to prepare very thoroughly. We'll see who can make good use of the remaining time. I hope the match will not be boring to watch.
Dortmund may have had a better run of form than Chelsea this season. although in the Champions League, we can see our predictions are wrong.
because there is still enough time and several matches before the meeting between the two. I'm sure they will maximize the few matches before the meeting to strengthen their strategy and play. I think the meeting of the two will be interesting. they have almost the same strength. just hope that both of them show their best performance with their best squad too.
The problem facing Chelsea is now very severe, entering the new year Chelsea was immediately hit with a storm of injuries, unfortunately the injured players are core players, so far 10 Chelsea players have been injured, starting from goalkeepers, midfielders and attackers, maybe because this situation makes you so sure dourmount can beat Chelsea in the Champions league, but in my personal opinion even though Chelsea is down but I believe Chelsea can keep up with dourmount's game and I also believe Chelsea can win a ticket to the last eight of the Champions league.
Chelsea still have a better hand in the knock out stage of the CL. Dortmund is also having their own internal crisis just has Chelsea is currently. In terms of strength i won't support any team but i just counting on Potter to do justice to this challenge that awaits them.
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January 22, 2023, 08:30:05 AM
Maybe we can say, who has the most luck, then that team will be the winner in their match later. Because the main reason is that we don't see anything special shown by them in their respective leagues. The two teams tend to be said to be bad with results that are always unsatisfactory when passing week after week.
They have more than 3 weeks to prepare very thoroughly. We'll see who can make good use of the remaining time. I hope the match will not be boring to watch.
Dortmund may have had a better run of form than Chelsea this season. although in the Champions League, we can see our predictions are wrong.
because there is still enough time and several matches before the meeting between the two. I'm sure they will maximize the few matches before the meeting to strengthen their strategy and play. I think the meeting of the two will be interesting. they have almost the same strength. just hope that both of them show their best performance with their best squad too.
The problem facing Chelsea is now very severe, entering the new year Chelsea was immediately hit with a storm of injuries, unfortunately the injured players are core players, so far 10 Chelsea players have been injured, starting from goalkeepers, midfielders and attackers, maybe because this situation makes you so sure dourmount can beat Chelsea in the Champions league, but in my personal opinion even though Chelsea is down but I believe Chelsea can keep up with dourmount's game and I also believe Chelsea can win a ticket to the last eight of the Champions league.
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January 22, 2023, 08:16:13 AM
I also don't want to be fascinated by Manchester City's squad too much. I believe they have the best squad among the Champions League teams now.

But this doesn't guarantee anything for them about winning the title anyway. Haaland is of course an incredible addition as we have witnessed his performance so far. However there are still matches that they lose very unexpectedly in the end. Maybe they will get stuck in one of the stages in the Champions League like the previous season. Who knows maybe Real Madrid would be their opponent again and we would see a similar scenario. Guardiola has a really difficult task to perform for reaching the title.

City last year, even in games with crisis Atlético experienced problems. They could lose even before they meet Real (if Real go far at all). City have a great squad and probably in a round-robin tournament they would be clear favorites, but in knockout games, how the bookmakers evaluate them is simply ridiculous - the odds for City to win the Champions League are 2.45. In second place is Bayern with a chance of 6.45. Absolute nonsense. City is not so stronger than all the others.

I agree with you. It seems to me that bookmakers simply compare clubs by the value of their players and make their calculations and predictions based on that.
Football is much more complex and unpredictable than that, because if the favorites always won, then Brazil would be the world champion in the last few world cups, and Manchester City and/or PSG would win the Champions League all the time.
We know that Manchester City and PSG still, after investing a lot of time and money, failed to achieve their main goal, to become champions of Europe, and it is obvious that in football money can't buy everything.
I would say that more important than that is the unity in the team, and the physical and mental strength of the players.
That's why I'm again favoring Real this season to win the Champions League.

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January 22, 2023, 08:02:45 AM
Manchester City have a better squad and they are one of the most successful team in the Champions league,  Manchester City have been struggling to win the Champions league but I'm not still sure if they can get it this season.  The Champions league in this season is very competitive with other strong teams.
Currently seeing the performance of the Manchester City team looking to be getting better and superior, and most of the fact that Manchester City is the most successful club in the Champions League at the moment makes them believe that Manchester City will become champions this season, we are a little doubtful about this. Meanwhile this is a very competitive Champions League and there are a lot of bigger and stronger clubs who have quite good material here.
like Real Madrid and also Bayern Munich, we see that their achievements are bigger than Manchester City, apart from that, several clubs here still look very consistent in the Champions League.

Even though Manchester City have a good team squad, we doubt they can achieve it this season, considering there are clubs who have performed more consistently than them.
What is the measure of success according to you? By often playing in the Champions League? or by becoming a champion? I can't say they are one of the most successful teams in this Champions League because they are still fighting for trophies here. I don't doubt they have a very promising squad, but they have to prove that by achieving achievements here. Because in the Champions League, having a very good squad is not the only measure they will win the title.
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January 22, 2023, 06:53:22 AM
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Sincerely, Chelsea winning the champions league is very unlikely to happen because of their poor form, maybe they can try in the next season but for this season I doubt it will happen. The team is unstable and needs some more time to get organised especially with the new signings. Real Madrid, PSG and Manchester city are far ahead of Chelsea, the blues will need a miracle to win the champions league this season.

Yes, we agree that there are a number of problems that the Blues must fix first. I very much doubt Chelsea will be able to qualify for the next round phase, maybe to overthrow Dortmund in the last 16 round later, Graham Potter's squad has a chance for that.

but it will not be easy to overthrow their opponent later, because Dortmund looks like they will start the second Bundesliga season with a positive trend. Now, Edin Terzic's squad have no problem with their injured players, Sabastien Haller may be Dortmund's differentiator in the second half of the season in their domestic league. but, this is just my assumption how it will be later. let's see, Dortmund will carry out the match today in its domestic league.

Speaking of Chelsea, I think at least Potter needs time to bring Chelsea to a big change. especially to win the Champions League trophy, it seems almost impossible. because, there are many teams that are more established in terms of play, strength, readiness, and most importantly mentally. As for the newcomers that Chelsea have brought in this January transfer window, IMO, that is Todd Boehly's long project, for the next season.
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January 22, 2023, 05:48:21 AM
Maybe we can say, who has the most luck, then that team will be the winner in their match later. Because the main reason is that we don't see anything special shown by them in their respective leagues. The two teams tend to be said to be bad with results that are always unsatisfactory when passing week after week.
They have more than 3 weeks to prepare very thoroughly. We'll see who can make good use of the remaining time. I hope the match will not be boring to watch.
Dortmund may have had a better run of form than Chelsea this season. although in the Champions League, we can see our predictions are wrong.
because there is still enough time and several matches before the meeting between the two. I'm sure they will maximize the few matches before the meeting to strengthen their strategy and play. I think the meeting of the two will be interesting. they have almost the same strength. just hope that both of them show their best performance with their best squad too.
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January 22, 2023, 05:30:07 AM
Dortmund is not doing well in the Bundesliga, Chelsea are playing unsuccessful matches in the Premier league.  I'm quite curious about the pairing between the two.  If there is one thing I know, it is that I am eagerly waiting for this match to be played.  Chelsea's players are better and they're a few qualities better than Dortmund.  Dortmund will try hard and they definitely have a chance.  Still, as I said, I see Chelsea as the team that is close to passing the round.
It is indeed very surprising to see Dortmund and Chelsea in their respective regular leagues always get bad results in their matches. Even though Chlesea has spent a lot of money to buy new players, it is still difficult for them to win and last night they were held to a draw when they met Liverpool. Meanwhile, Dortmund this season is also not as good as the previous season, but they will play their first match today in their regular league, at least that can be a good reference to show maximum performance before facing Chelsea in the last 16 of the UCL later.
Maybe we can say, who has the most luck, then that team will be the winner in their match later. Because the main reason is that we don't see anything special shown by them in their respective leagues. The two teams tend to be said to be bad with results that are always unsatisfactory when passing week after week.
They have more than 3 weeks to prepare very thoroughly. We'll see who can make good use of the remaining time. I hope the match will not be boring to watch.
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January 22, 2023, 03:16:44 AM
Dortmund is not doing well in the Bundesliga, Chelsea are playing unsuccessful matches in the Premier league.  I'm quite curious about the pairing between the two.  If there is one thing I know, it is that I am eagerly waiting for this match to be played.  Chelsea's players are better and they're a few qualities better than Dortmund.  Dortmund will try hard and they definitely have a chance.  Still, as I said, I see Chelsea as the team that is close to passing the round.
It is indeed very surprising to see Dortmund and Chelsea in their respective regular leagues always get bad results in their matches. Even though Chlesea has spent a lot of money to buy new players, it is still difficult for them to win and last night they were held to a draw when they met Liverpool. Meanwhile, Dortmund this season is also not as good as the previous season, but they will play their first match today in their regular league, at least that can be a good reference to show maximum performance before facing Chelsea in the last 16 of the UCL later.
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January 22, 2023, 03:03:40 AM
Madueke, Joao Felix, Fofana, and Mudryk,  are the latest players that have joined Chelsea, if u check those players non of them is a midfielder for that one shouldn't say that Chelsea has very complete players in every position. Chelsea still has a big problem and that is the midfield. If you make a careful analysis from the past matches, u will discover that their mistake all came from the midfield. I am so surprised that they have little taste in fixing it.

Chelsea seems to be managing both Potter and the players than people actually think of Potter as the main character of Chelsea, the decisions of those new signings are mostly not his but the new management, he said something in metaphor regarding the new Chelsea new players after their yesterday match against Liverpool. If the management or the new owner feels the strikers are their problem in which to some extent I think, they would see the result in time.

It has been a while since I watched Dortmund matches in Bundesliga but when I checked their performance, they are clearly falling out of the top standing by losing matches, it isn't too late for Chelsea to adjust to the new players if they want to advance out of the group of 16.
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January 22, 2023, 03:02:31 AM
I also don't want to be fascinated by Manchester City's squad too much. I believe they have the best squad among the Champions League teams now.

But this doesn't guarantee anything for them about winning the title anyway. Haaland is of course an incredible addition as we have witnessed his performance so far. However there are still matches that they lose very unexpectedly in the end. Maybe they will get stuck in one of the stages in the Champions League like the previous season. Who knows maybe Real Madrid would be their opponent again and we would see a similar scenario. Guardiola has a really difficult task to perform for reaching the title.

Manchester City have a better squad and they are one of the most successful team in the Champions league,  Manchester City have been struggling to win the Champions league but I'm not still sure if they can get it this season.  The Champions league in this season is very competitive with other strong teams.
There are so many clubs that are better than. city. You can't even be called that one of the most successful team in UCL caused by it doesn't have even a single trophy of UCL. City was an overrated team, unlike real madrid still remains king of UCL. Real madrid was the most successful team in UCL. It has been proven by real madrid that won 14 times of UCL, unlike city that doesn't have a single trophy in its trophy cabinet. Im not seeing any great achievement by city other than EPL. Chelsea has a better history compared with city.
This is the fact.

For this season Manchester City's performance has been quite consistent in the Champions League, Pep Guardiola's team managed to penetrate the round of 16 with statistics of four wins, two draws and no defeats. I agree that Real Madrid is the king of the Champions League
Teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City have great potential to reach the final based on their stats so far
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January 22, 2023, 02:46:20 AM
Saying Madrid is not in the favorites I agree but when saying Madrid is weak I don't really agree with that.
As for the actual Favorites in recent seasons it has remained the same and Manchester City has obviously always been at the forefront but the problem is as you said not all predictions are right especially for the Champions League. It's not impossible that this season there will be some surprises even though for those who are in the final it's clear that only the top teams will be there.
I don't know why people keep saying real madrid was not even strong. This is also happening since last year but yeah real Madrid was always winning UCL so many times what makes them called that the real madrid club a weak club. that's a very weird statement for me to see that. It seems like those people didn't know how good real Madrid is. Bookies were also underestimating real Madrid at this moment by giving bad odds for Madrid. I don't know why bookies were preferring Liverpool in the upcoming match rather than real madrid. Madrid has a bad odd during the first leg of last 16 against Liverpool.
They always underestimate Madrid, even though they see that some of their previous favorite teams, such as Liverpool or PSG, currently don't look too good in the Champions League compared to Madrid.
But indeed, as long as you think that Madrid is weak, this is actually a very good opportunity, considering that last season was also like this and the results were very good for Madrid.
Everyone knows that Real Madrid is one of the best teams. They were playing very well this time, but some matches they lost badly. As a result, the self-confidence among the team players may decrease somewhat. But Real Madrid have the ability to bounce back.
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January 22, 2023, 02:40:04 AM
Manchester City have a better squad and they are one of the most successful team in the Champions league,  Manchester City have been struggling to win the Champions league but I'm not still sure if they can get it this season.  The Champions league in this season is very competitive with other strong teams.
Currently seeing the performance of the Manchester City team looking to be getting better and superior, and most of the fact that Manchester City is the most successful club in the Champions League at the moment makes them believe that Manchester City will become champions this season, we are a little doubtful about this. Meanwhile this is a very competitive Champions League and there are a lot of bigger and stronger clubs who have quite good material here.
like Real Madrid and also Bayern Munich, we see that their achievements are bigger than Manchester City, apart from that, several clubs here still look very consistent in the Champions League.

Even though Manchester City have a good team squad, we doubt they can achieve it this season, considering there are clubs who have performed more consistently than them.
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January 22, 2023, 02:17:07 AM
And Chelsea winning the Champions League will be one of my biggest shock in football history, if I was told Chelsea would be Champions of Europe I'd never come to full agreement with anyone.
Manchester City who splashed the cash has lost when they came so close to winning the Champions League twice which has made Pep Guardiola frustrated. Lossing to Chelsea during the finals and also to Real Madrid after leading comfortably, they slacked and let Real Madrid take the win.

Real Madrid are very poor in the link up from midfied to defense, if they don't improve they're going no where near the Champions League Finals. Major tips would fall on Paris Saint Germans and Manchester City to win the Champions League.
Sincerely, Chelsea winning the champions league is very unlikely to happen because of their poor form, maybe they can try in the next season but for this season I doubt it will happen. The team is unstable and needs some more time to get organised especially with the new signings. Real Madrid, PSG and Manchester city are far ahead of Chelsea, the blues will need a miracle to win the champions league this season.
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January 21, 2023, 09:58:00 PM
I also don't want to be fascinated by Manchester City's squad too much. I believe they have the best squad among the Champions League teams now.

But this doesn't guarantee anything for them about winning the title anyway. Haaland is of course an incredible addition as we have witnessed his performance so far. However there are still matches that they lose very unexpectedly in the end. Maybe they will get stuck in one of the stages in the Champions League like the previous season. Who knows maybe Real Madrid would be their opponent again and we would see a similar scenario. Guardiola has a really difficult task to perform for reaching the title.

Manchester City have a better squad and they are one of the most successful team in the Champions league,  Manchester City have been struggling to win the Champions league but I'm not still sure if they can get it this season.  The Champions league in this season is very competitive with other strong teams.
There are so many clubs that are better than. city. You can't even be called that one of the most successful team in UCL caused by it doesn't have even a single trophy of UCL. City was an overrated team, unlike real madrid still remains king of UCL. Real madrid was the most successful team in UCL. It has been proven by real madrid that won 14 times of UCL, unlike city that doesn't have a single trophy in its trophy cabinet. Im not seeing any great achievement by city other than EPL. Chelsea has a better history compared with city.
This is the fact.
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January 21, 2023, 09:20:00 PM
Manchester City have a better squad and they are one of the most successful team in the Champions league,  Manchester City have been struggling to win the Champions league but I'm not still sure if they can get it this season.  The Champions league in this season is very competitive with other strong teams.
I have no idea why you can say Manchester City is the most successful club in Champions league because their biggest achievement was on last season where they become a runner up, Manchester City haven't become a runner up or champion in Champions league.

Real Madrid, AC Milan and Bayern Munich have bigger achievement rather than Manchester City, they're the most consistent clubs in Champions league.

Looking on Manchester City's performance in Premier League, I don't think Manchester City will become a champion in this season.
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January 21, 2023, 06:53:43 PM
we all know that Dortmund prioritize selling players over winning titles, although they have come far in the champions league they are undoubtedly more interested in selling their best players so chelsea will be playing Dortmund without their good players, I don't even know to what extent dortmund already sold players this january but i'm guessing they sold their best players

Despite Dortmund selling their best players, their performances are still quite good. However, they are not consistently performing well. But Dortmund's players have the ability to beat a big team like Chelsea. Moreover, Chelsea is perhaps a renowned team. But this season their performance is not stable. The Chelsea team is now in the 10th place in the Premier League points table. And so it would be foolish to think that Chelsea can easily win against Dortmund. It will be challenging for Chelsea to win this match as well.
Very interesting to see Chelsea performance because they were very active in this transfer window and apparently Potter want to rebuild Chelsea and if we see Chelsea current squad they have very complete players on every positions but lets see whether those new players will adapt quickly with Potter strategy or not but their new player Joao Felix has worst debut that on premier league he got red card which caused he will be punished suspension however seems Chelsea has promising squad and lets see in the next few matches whether they can improve their performance using new players or not but if Chelsea performance getting better I think beat Dortmund isn't hard for them
Madueke, Joao Felix, Fofana, and Mudryk,  are the latest players that have joined Chelsea, if u check those players non of them is a midfielder for that one shouldn't say that Chelsea has very complete players in every position. Chelsea still has a big problem and that is the midfield. If you make a careful analysis from the past matches, u will discover that their mistake all came from the midfield. I am so surprised that they have little taste in fixing it.
Well , we have loftus cheek .. kante .. kovacic and zakaria who recently get recovered from the injury and some of them cannot play yet , so there is no point to bring new midfielders in as we gave plenty of them , the injury crisis makes chelsea have to shop more in the january transfer.

So they can get more serious facing a prestigious competition like champions league.

Chelsea has some great signing player's
But potter still needs to be sacked because he cannot coach a great club as Chelsea
Linked with Zidane he will not do a better job either not even Pochetino who is not having no tactics
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January 21, 2023, 06:49:20 PM
we all know that Dortmund prioritize selling players over winning titles, although they have come far in the champions league they are undoubtedly more interested in selling their best players so chelsea will be playing Dortmund without their good players, I don't even know to what extent dortmund already sold players this january but i'm guessing they sold their best players

Despite Dortmund selling their best players, their performances are still quite good. However, they are not consistently performing well. But Dortmund's players have the ability to beat a big team like Chelsea. Moreover, Chelsea is perhaps a renowned team. But this season their performance is not stable. The Chelsea team is now in the 10th place in the Premier League points table. And so it would be foolish to think that Chelsea can easily win against Dortmund. It will be challenging for Chelsea to win this match as well.
Very interesting to see Chelsea performance because they were very active in this transfer window and apparently Potter want to rebuild Chelsea and if we see Chelsea current squad they have very complete players on every positions but lets see whether those new players will adapt quickly with Potter strategy or not but their new player Joao Felix has worst debut that on premier league he got red card which caused he will be punished suspension however seems Chelsea has promising squad and lets see in the next few matches whether they can improve their performance using new players or not but if Chelsea performance getting better I think beat Dortmund isn't hard for them
Madueke, Joao Felix, Fofana, and Mudryk,  are the latest players that have joined Chelsea, if u check those players non of them is a midfielder for that one shouldn't say that Chelsea has very complete players in every position. Chelsea still has a big problem and that is the midfield. If you make a careful analysis from the past matches, u will discover that their mistake all came from the midfield. I am so surprised that they have little taste in fixing it.
Well , we have loftus cheek .. kante .. kovacic and zakaria who recently get recovered from the injury and some of them cannot play yet , so there is no point to bring new midfielders in as we gave plenty of them , the injury crisis makes chelsea have to shop more in the january transfer.

So they can get more serious facing a prestigious competition like champions league.
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