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Quote from: Despairo on December 24, 2022, 11:10:02 PM

Endrick is still very young since he's currently 16 years old, while both of Vinicius and Rodrygo are still young too but they're lack of experience. Real Madrid is only depends on Benzema, without him there's no other strikers anymore. I'd say Real Madrid need to sign one more striker to replace Benzema if he's injured, this could be Mbappe, Son Heung Min etc.

There's also a news where Real Madrid willing to pay for 1 Billion Euro to Mbappe, Real Madrid is really want Mbappe at this moment [1]

[1] https://www.wionews.com/sports/real-madrid-is-ready-to-pay-ps1-billion-for-kylian-mbappe-next-summer-reports-546256

Gathering young unexperienced players in the team won't bring solid results to the team. Fine, these teens knows how to play the ball but they can't control the multitudes when holding the ball on the pitch with good momentum. Real madrid depending on Karim Benzema, although he's not their ultimate target as his replacement is Endrick who still need time in the new club before finally comes in limelight. Carlo Ancelotti and the board made a very big mistake in the past years when they all depended on Cristiano Ronaldo because he was their top and keyplayer infront of goal, when he exited the club, that was the beginning of the los blancos downfall but look at them today, they've recovered all they lost and happens to be one of the successful clubs in the history of football.

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The reason that PSG is not the favorite for the title now has everything to do with the draw in which they play against Bayern Munich. Manchester City plays against RB Leipzig, which explains the divergent odds. If PSG manage to get through this round unscathed, then both teams will be back on the same odds. I always like to see outsiders at a tournament, maybe we should count Napoli among the outsiders. Apart from them and the favourites, I don't see any surprises happening in this season of the CL. But we will know more in February.

If PSG players can display what they displayed in the FIFA world cup competition in this UEFA champions league competition, I guess it will be difficult for outsiders to take this title away from them in this season. PSG are very active to use all the tools they have to disgrace any team in their remaining games so that people will believe that they have the opportunity to win this trophy and many trophies to come. Since Messi and Mbappe are still displaying wonders in any competition show, that they will surely do something that will favour the team this season.

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They are a biggest club without Mbappe so without Mbappe, Real Madrid will continue their success.

Do they need Mbappe? Maybe they need him but if they can not have Mbappe, they can buy other players like Endrick. Vini Jr. and Rodrygo can level up in future and I have strong belief in Vini Jr. He can be one of biggest competitors with Mbappe for personal awards in future.

With Vini, Rodrygo and Endrick, their attacking will be too powerful and the need for Mbappe is not too important for Real Madrid.

Endrick is still very young since he's currently 16 years old, while both of Vinicius and Rodrygo are still young too but they're lack of experience. Real Madrid is only depends on Benzema, without him there's no other strikers anymore. I'd say Real Madrid need to sign one more striker to replace Benzema if he's injured, this could be Mbappe, Son Heung Min etc.

There's also a news where Real Madrid willing to pay for 1 Billion Euro to Mbappe, Real Madrid is really want Mbappe at this moment [1]

[1] https://www.wionews.com/sports/real-madrid-is-ready-to-pay-ps1-billion-for-kylian-mbappe-next-summer-reports-546256

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Quote from: Iroh on December 24, 2022, 08:00:37 PM

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If Kylian Mbappe somehow joins Real Madrid, their team will become very strong. Kylian Mbappe is one of the best players in the world right now and the rest of the France team are also great young players who have performed well this World Cup. So I hope that if Kylian Mbappe joins Real Madrid unfortunately then Real Madrid will become a super strong team.

Real Madrid are already strong, if there have a talented young striker like Mbappe then it is true that Real Madrid will be very strong, like Manchester City with Haaland. UCL is not easy at all, for any big club a small mistake can be very big. By the way I can't wait to see Bayern Munich, which have consistently won with perfect points so far, against PSG in February. Which team do you think will win?

I think PSG is more likely to win the game against Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich is no doubt a strong team that has great capable players capable of scoring goals.

I doubt if that's gonna happen coz the fact that if bayern is far better in the performance on champion league compared with PSG. PSG may have so many world class players but it was rarely going to the final or semifinal unlike bayern munich. I think that bayern munich may able to kick back PSG to go back again to the parc des prince. Bayern is still superior for me caused the history has been telling us about the truth. Bayern known so well about how to prevent messi to get the ball

Quote from: Iroh on December 24, 2022, 08:00:37 PM

But we should take a look at the form which PSG currently is on at the moment. They’ve got bright players who has probably gotten more experienced with the just concluded World Cup. PSG has a lot of stars on its squad. Stars that also has years of experience on their belt.

World cup meant nothing. it's the fight between the club. Bayern has so many capable defenders at this moment. I shall remind you when bayern was destroying barcelona like barcelona was nothing for bayern. The same thing gonna happen with PSG

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Quote from: MuffinMaster on December 24, 2022, 02:23:29 PM

Real Madrid is currently a very strong team. I don't see any weak point of the team. The youngsters in the team are performing well and they are all in good positions. Real Madrid will become the best team if Kylian Mbappe joins this time.

Maybe even without Kylian Mbappe, Real Madrid will still be the best team. It should be noted that currently Real Madrid is the most team that has won the UCL with 14 trophies. Of course that is not a small number and they often beat strong teams in Europe in the race for this championship. Even Man City and PSG who want this title often have to meet Real Madrid, as a result the two teams have to go home early.

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If Kylian Mbappe somehow joins Real Madrid, their team will become very strong. Kylian Mbappe is one of the best players in the world right now and the rest of the France team are also great young players who have performed well this World Cup. So I hope that if Kylian Mbappe joins Real Madrid unfortunately then Real Madrid will become a super strong team.

Real Madrid are already strong, if there have a talented young striker like Mbappe then it is true that Real Madrid will be very strong, like Manchester City with Haaland. UCL is not easy at all, for any big club a small mistake can be very big. By the way I can't wait to see Bayern Munich, which have consistently won with perfect points so far, against PSG in February. Which team do you think will win?

I think PSG is more likely to win the game against Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich is no doubt a strong team that has great capable players capable of scoring goals.
But we should take a look at the form which PSG currently is on at the moment. They’ve got bright players who has probably gotten more experienced with the just concluded World Cup. PSG has a lot of stars on its squad. Stars that also has years of experience on their belt.

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I think that you shall aware about how good the current performance from real madrid but the only thing that becomes the main concern by the team was striker since benzema must absence due to the injury. That's why real madrid is always being linked with mbappe caused by mbappe was a potential striker for madrid. Mbappe's position was winger but he was also able to play as a striker too. Mbappe will be boosting the performance from real madrid.
That's why madrid tried to consider him as a good player that might be bought even with bunch of money and it's still worthy to get him into the real madrid.

Yes, that's right, the only problem that is so visible in Real Madrid's body now is that they lack a striker who can be relied on to replace a Benzema who has been sidelined due to injury. It is predicted that Mbappe will be able to give color to Real Madrid's game, but with how difficult it was for them to sign Mbappe, I don't think we will see Mbappe in Real Madrid's uniform in the near future. They must look for quality players for the vacant positions up front, apart from Mbappe.

I agree, it wouldn't be a mistake and it would be the very best transfer Real could ever do. But have we checked how much money we are talking about? I mean we are talking about amount of money that would be capable of buying 3 good strikers let alone just one. They have already spent like 50+ million on some 16 year old kid, are we sure that they want to be like Barcelona and lack funds to buy players in the future?

Because, buying Mbappe would mean that it would block their salary situation a lot, and it would hurt them financially. They would need to keep winning both league and UCL in the next 10 years, not every year, but content for it every year, preferably get like 3-4 UCL's and 7-8 La Ligas in the next decade just to be able to pay this much salary.

While this is a risk I think Mbappe is worth it, after all Mbappe is not just a player with potential, he is a star and the best player available all around the world, and while such a deal will reset the market it is not as if Real Madrid will be afraid of doing this, besides unless Mbappe got a serious injury in the future which put at risk his career I think such a move will guarantee that Real Madrid will be one of the favorites to win their local tournament and the UCL for years to come.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 24, 2022, 04:53:56 PM

Milan - Tottenham is an interesting draw to have in this round. I see it like both legs can be quite competitive. But I feel like it will depend on Milan's performance level especially. Because they haven't seemed very effective in big games in the Champions League so far. They were really inadequate in not only defense but also offense against Chelsea in the group stage. They lost both games as you know. But I still believe that Milan have a good potential in themselves to do better than this.

I just hope to see the same effort they make in the Serie A from them by this round of the Champions League. Because they have seemed like they care about the Serie A games more until now. They shouldn't waste their potential in the Champions League like this. If they make some improvements then I would give them a chance for advancing to the next round.

Unlike Milan, Tottenham is not perfect in their lower leagues. they have lost a good number of matches that were supposed to be bonus wins for them. The only additional advantage Tottenham has over Milan is the manager __Antonio Conte __ who doesn't joke with UEFA competitions. With much experience in Tactics and other things Conte is known for, I think the clash with AC Milan is not going to see Tottenham off the UEFA competition.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on December 24, 2022, 06:46:57 AM

I think that you shall aware about how good the current performance from real madrid but the only thing that becomes the main concern by the team was striker since benzema must absence due to the injury. That's why real madrid is always being linked with mbappe caused by mbappe was a potential striker for madrid. Mbappe's position was winger but he was also able to play as a striker too. Mbappe will be boosting the performance from real madrid.
That's why madrid tried to consider him as a good player that might be bought even with bunch of money and it's still worthy to get him into the real madrid.

Yes, that's right, the only problem that is so visible in Real Madrid's body now is that they lack a striker who can be relied on to replace a Benzema who has been sidelined due to injury. It is predicted that Mbappe will be able to give color to Real Madrid's game, but with how difficult it was for them to sign Mbappe, I don't think we will see Mbappe in Real Madrid's uniform in the near future. They must look for quality players for the vacant positions up front, apart from Mbappe.

I agree, it wouldn't be a mistake and it would be the very best transfer Real could ever do. But have we checked how much money we are talking about? I mean we are talking about amount of money that would be capable of buying 3 good strikers let alone just one. They have already spent like 50+ million on some 16 year old kid, are we sure that they want to be like Barcelona and lack funds to buy players in the future?

Because, buying Mbappe would mean that it would block their salary situation a lot, and it would hurt them financially. They would need to keep winning both league and UCL in the next 10 years, not every year, but content for it every year, preferably get like 3-4 UCL's and 7-8 La Ligas in the next decade just to be able to pay this much salary.

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Quote from: skarais on December 24, 2022, 02:37:21 PM

PSG, I hope they win that match later.
It's only reasonable to expect Messi, Mbappe and Neymar to be in great form after their showings at the World Cup. But before the Champions League, then I think we need to assess how these three forwards have performed in recent match.

PSG could lose and have difficulty winning the match against Bayern Munich, but of course both teams will both be favored at home. Anyways, PSG must avoid last season's mistakes where they failed after losing to Real Madrid in the second leg. So they have to win at home and try to do better away from home at this season.

Right now, all momentum is in favor of PSG because we are talking all things off the field but what will be happening on the filed no one can predict about this specially after amazing performance from the Messi and Mbappé in the final both were at the top of the game and have best of their career, but now we will be having them both players on completely different level which is also having completely different environment and conditions as well.

Mostly feeling after injuries of Sadio Mané and Neure Bayern Munich is having not good time on the field, but we are missing something that Bayern Munich is still one of the best club with quality players and amazing stuff around them which will be clearly helpful for them while they were going to face PSG even right now their performance is also at their best and any result can happen with both teams have equal chance.

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Milan - Tottenham is an interesting draw to have in this round. I see it like both legs can be quite competitive. But I feel like it will depend on Milan's performance level especially. Because they haven't seemed very effective in big games in the Champions League so far. They were really inadequate in not only defense but also offense against Chelsea in the group stage. They lost both games as you know. But I still believe that Milan have a good potential in themselves to do better than this.

I just hope to see the same effort they make in the Serie A from them by this round of the Champions League. Because they have seemed like they care about the Serie A games more until now. They shouldn't waste their potential in the Champions League like this. If they make some improvement then I would give them a chance for advancing to next round.

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Quote from: MuffinMaster on December 24, 2022, 02:23:29 PM

Quote from: Doell on December 24, 2022, 10:46:13 AM

Quote from: sovie on December 24, 2022, 09:43:09 AM

If Kylian Mbappe somehow joins Real Madrid, their team will become very strong. Kylian Mbappe is one of the best players in the world right now and the rest of the France team are also great young players who have performed well this World Cup. So I hope that if Kylian Mbappe joins Real Madrid unfortunately then Real Madrid will become a super strong team.

Real Madrid are already strong, if there have a talented young striker like Mbappe then it is true that Real Madrid will be very strong, like Manchester City with Haaland. UCL is not easy at all, for any big club a small mistake can be very big. By the way I can't wait to see Bayern Munich, which have consistently won with perfect points so far, against PSG in February. Which team do you think will win?

Real Madrid is currently a very strong team. I don't see any weak point of the team. The youngsters in the team are performing well and they are all in good positions. Real Madrid will become the best team if Kylian Mbappe joins this time.

Real Madrid is a team with a lot of youngsters and old experienced players. Kross modric and so on are o most done and can play for a year or two and they need to grab new prospects for those positions. Mbappe wont join anytime soon because of his contract with PSG

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Quote from: Raflesia on December 24, 2022, 02:22:15 PM

It's difficult for Leipzig now especially now that their striker Nkunku is definitely going to Chelsea with his new deal and of course this leaves quite an obvious hole in attack and it will be difficult if they don't look for a replacement now.
On the other hand I don't even have the slightest doubt against Manchester City at this stage because their probabilities are strong so I think this will be a real win even though I agree don't underestimate Leipzig.

January transfer window is surely going to have big impact on many teams with the transfer of Nkunku is surely big setback for the Leipzig which were doing amazing stuff and having good chance for the next season will be also in Champions League but now surely things could be different specially as now they are also going to face Manchester City which is currently one of the best club in the world and having one of the best attack in UEFA as well.

Now most chances Manchester City is clearly having chance for the qualifying into next round because Nkunku was the best player in this side, and they already play good against Real Madrid but with this change performance level could be different, and we have to wait for their next movement.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 23, 2022, 05:43:50 PM

I was having a similar argument with a friend but somehow different. He was saying that since Ronaldo has played Europa with Manchester United, that he cannot play champions league with another club in this same season. I told him that it's not connected that Ronaldo can play with another club in the Champions League and even in the same Europa League

Yes, I'm pretty sure they change the rule 2-3 years ago.

Another case could be Skriniar who played for Inter on the group stage but he could leave for PSG in January.

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Quote from: Doell on December 24, 2022, 10:46:13 AM

Real Madrid are already strong, if there have a talented young striker like Mbappe then it is true that Real Madrid will be very strong, like Manchester City with Haaland. UCL is not easy at all, for any big club a small mistake can be very big. By the way I can't wait to see Bayern Munich, which have consistently won with perfect points so far, against PSG in February. Which team do you think will win?

PSG, I hope they win that match later.
It's only reasonable to expect Messi, Mbappe and Neymar to be in great form after their showings at the World Cup. But before the Champions League, then I think we need to assess how these three forwards have performed in recent match.

PSG could lose and have difficulty winning the match against Bayern Munich, but of course both teams will both be favored at home. Anyways, PSG must avoid last season's mistakes where they failed after losing to Real Madrid in the second leg. So they have to win at home and try to do better away from home at this season.

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Quote from: Doell on December 24, 2022, 10:46:13 AM

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If Kylian Mbappe somehow joins Real Madrid, their team will become very strong. Kylian Mbappe is one of the best players in the world right now and the rest of the France team are also great young players who have performed well this World Cup. So I hope that if Kylian Mbappe joins Real Madrid unfortunately then Real Madrid will become a super strong team.

Real Madrid are already strong, if there have a talented young striker like Mbappe then it is true that Real Madrid will be very strong, like Manchester City with Haaland. UCL is not easy at all, for any big club a small mistake can be very big. By the way I can't wait to see Bayern Munich, which have consistently won with perfect points so far, against PSG in February. Which team do you think will win?

Real Madrid is currently a very strong team. I don't see any weak point of the team. The youngsters in the team are performing well and they are all in good positions. Real Madrid will become the best team if Kylian Mbappe joins this time.

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The reason that PSG is not the favorite for the title now has everything to do with the draw in which they play against Bayern Munich. Manchester City plays against RB Leipzig, which explains the divergent odds. If PSG manage to get through this round unscathed, then both teams will be back on the same odds. I always like to see outsiders at a tournament, maybe we should count Napoli among the outsiders. Apart from them and the favourites, I don't see any surprises happening in this season of the CL. But we will know more in February.

It is easier for Manchester City to meet against RB Leipzig than other great teams that have met each other and of course a difficult match for other teams including PSG, Manchester city is easier to face RB and will qualify for the next round Wink

Leipzig are not a tough opponent for Manchester City. A relatively weak team is Leipzig. But there is no way to ignore this team. Smaller teams often win against bigger teams in the Champions League. Last season we saw Villarreal's great performances. And so if Manchester City want to qualify for the next round then they must play well. If they don't play well or make any tactical mistakes, they won't be able to win against Leipzig.

If we compare Manchester City and Leipzig, Manchester is far better from Leipzig but it is football and anything is possible. Leipzig has also some good players who can change the game result. If they are able to lead in the match, it will be tough for City. I don't think that it will be an easy win for Manchester City as it is a game of champions league.

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Leipzig are not a tough opponent for Manchester City. A relatively weak team is Leipzig. But there is no way to ignore this team. Smaller teams often win against bigger teams in the Champions League. Last season we saw Villarreal's great performances. And so if Manchester City want to qualify for the next round then they must play well. If they don't play well or make any tactical mistakes, they won't be able to win against Leipzig.

I think that Leipzig beat Real Madrid but that does not mean anything as Real was already qualified,in the games where Leipzig needed to win they have not been that good and convincing as a team.I believe Manchester City is going to have a very easy game against them and the qualification I believe to be a sure thing,I am not underestimating Leipzig,only judging objectively and by doing so Manchester City has a super squad compared to Leipzig in quality so it is only normal for them to qualify and yes I think they can afford some tactical mistakes during this game,the difference in quality permits that.

It's difficult for Leipzig now especially now that their striker Nkunku is definitely going to Chelsea with his new deal and of course this leaves quite an obvious hole in attack and it will be difficult if they don't look for a replacement now.
On the other hand I don't even have the slightest doubt against Manchester City at this stage because their probabilities are strong so I think this will be a real win even though I agree don't underestimate Leipzig.

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What if PSG wins UCL this year and Messi achieves a perfect season ? that could be one for history books. Regarding Mbappe , I could see him leaving in the summer but it all depends on this last UCL season and also how his relationship with Messi will evolve after WC final as I'm sure some scores still must be settle between them even if for now everything looks friendly Cheesy

. I'm also curious how first games of PSG will be as I'm not expecting a lot of team play Grin

If PSG and Messi win the UCL this season, of course it will make a historic achievement and will add to Messi's trophy collection list. Currently in all the careers that have been achieved with Messi there are a total of 43 trophies and only 1 trophy adrift from Dani Alves who collected 44 trophies, with this Messi and Dani Alves' records will be equal. If Messi can still be consistent with PSG in the next season, of course he will be able to surpass Dani Alves' trophy haul.

I don't think it's a problem that Messi will equal Dani Alves' trophy record. but the Champions League trophy is indeed a big ambition of PSG. even with an expensive squad they still have trouble bringing home the Champions League trophy.
That's because the competitors come from strong European clubs. their feelings are certainly different from the trophy in the French Ligue 1. PSG has dominated there.

It can be said that the PSG squad is very star-studded, but when they meet several strong European teams, sometimes there isn't much they can do. Meanwhile, Real Madrid, which we know is the king of the Champions League every season, always provides updates for its new players and most of their regeneration has reached a good stage. I don't know if PSG and Messi will win the champions league or not, at least they have to keep fighting to make it happen.

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The reason that PSG is not the favorite for the title now has everything to do with the draw in which they play against Bayern Munich. Manchester City plays against RB Leipzig, which explains the divergent odds. If PSG manage to get through this round unscathed, then both teams will be back on the same odds. I always like to see outsiders at a tournament, maybe we should count Napoli among the outsiders. Apart from them and the favourites, I don't see any surprises happening in this season of the CL. But we will know more in February.

It is easier for Manchester City to meet against RB Leipzig than other great teams that have met each other and of course a difficult match for other teams including PSG, Manchester city is easier to face RB and will qualify for the next round Wink

Leipzig are not a tough opponent for Manchester City. A relatively weak team is Leipzig. But there is no way to ignore this team. Smaller teams often win against bigger teams in the Champions League. Last season we saw Villarreal's great performances. And so if Manchester City want to qualify for the next round then they must play well. If they don't play well or make any tactical mistakes, they won't be able to win against Leipzig.

I think that Leipzig beat Real Madrid but that does not mean anything as Real was already qualified,in the games where Leipzig needed to win they have not been that good and convincing as a team.I believe Manchester City is going to have a very easy game against them and the qualification I believe to be a sure thing,I am not underestimating Leipzig,only judging objectively and by doing so Manchester City has a super squad compared to Leipzig in quality so it is only normal for them to qualify and yes I think they can afford some tactical mistakes during this game,the difference in quality permits that.

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